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More Confirmation of Sharp Supplying iPad 3 Displays

They will need lots of RAM!

ThatsMeRight said:
I'd just love to see a retina display in the iPad 3. Hopefully, with at least the same graphics performance as the iPad 2 and a quad core processor to make it future proof. This would make me upgrade from my first generation iPad. :)
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it does sound good doesn't it! As far as future proofing that is a tall order.
I mean, the display will be awesome. Imagine looking at some 5 or 8 megapixel photos on your iPad with a resolution of 2048*1536: they will just look gorgeous just like on the iPhone 4. I also hope they will at least double the RAM, because it's going to need some RAM with such a high resolution and all these apps running in the background.
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I do have a big concern about RAM, not only the array size but also it's bandwidth. There is a real concern of a performance regression due to all the pixels to manipulate. 2GB of RAM would be too much. The other option would be separate channel for video RAM possibly embedded in the SoC.
Furthermore, I hope Apple will 'move up' the storage. Give customers a $399 iPad 2 16 GB model as a 'budget-model'. And give us a $499 32 GB, $599 64 GB and $699 128 GB model. A retina display is screaming for bigger apps, bigger photos (for more detail) and Full HD videos!
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A real issue. Unfortunately the secondary storage market is in a mess right now, we may have to suffer through another round of non updates.
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I also hope the next (sixth) generation iPhone, let's call it iPhone 6, will have a bigger display (4 to 4.5 inch) and hopefully double the resolution. This may sound silly, but than Apple can make sure they won't go below the current iPhone 4's 326 ppi display and it will probably sound great as well: the first Full HD, 1920 * 1280 display, on a phone.
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That would be nice.
I also hope that iOS 6 will finally get a new GUI. Don't get me wrong, iOS works just fine as it is now but for me, personally, I want to see something new. A fresh, new Graphical User Interface.

This is going to be the year of the hardware, and hopefully software as well.
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Why in the Hell would you want a new GUI? Seriously do you want to break all existing software? I'm actually shocked that you suggested this. IOS isn't going to get an all new GUI, the current one will continue on tweaked with each release.
 
I wonder if they will introduce larger memory on board at the same time?

If people wish to really enjoy the new screen then Photo's and Movies will be stored at a higher resolution meaning larger file sizes.

Perhaps double up the current sizes?
 
Interesting...

Thought Apple and Samsung are in several lawsuits, yet they maintain a client / vendor relationship?
 
Think Sharp is also the only panel producer that can provide a moth-eye coating.

Hope Apple will adopt that for the iPad3. Boosts contrast and black-levels by absorbing virtually all reflections...
 
It makes me think that Apple has pored untold millions into investing in new production capabilities for an enhanced technology that no one else will have for an indeterminate period of time. They paid the freight for new manufacturing capabilities with some of that cash hoard of theirs and invested it into Sharp production. They will suffer the growing pains and low yields of the new tech and slowly refine the process of superior LCD panels and then use them in as many Apple products as the think desirable.

Apple essentially gets to use tech from the future and bring it to the present while the competition stands around wondering why they can't build a knock off of a MacBook Air for the same price.

Deja vu all over again.
 
liavman said:
Same here. As the youtube video began, my first thought was 'tsunami'.
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FlameofAnor said:
If you looked at the map, you'd see the plant is on the opposite side of the tsunami affected coastline.
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Huh? Which map are you looking at? It's on the SE Pacific coastline right next to Osaka near Kansai Airport - that area had about a 2' tsunami swell in this year's event. It's in relatively protected Osaka Bay but I'd say they dodged a bullet this time.
 
Can't wait to get my hands on the iPad 3
will sell my old iPad to recover the rest of the money and then purchase the iPad 3 when is finally out.
 
g8rjohns said:
Thought Apple and Samsung are in several lawsuits, yet they maintain a client / vendor relationship?
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This is actually not that uncommon, but it depends on the nature of the lawsuit. Essentially, if the lawsuit does not affect every contract with one vendor, there may not be a reason to break the unaffected contracts and pay the penalties (or risk further suits). Some companies like Sony are so large you might be dealing with two entirely separate divisions.

I have worked for engineering firms that have gone to court with vendors on one hand, and send out tenders to them with the other. In some parts of the world you simply don't have a lot of choices about who has the expertise and resources to do a construction job. Plus it keeps everyone on their best behaviour. ;)
 
I'm going to go out on a limb and say this foreshadows Sharp moving out of the mobile market: let's look at it from Sharp's point of view. Their name in the consumer electronics space is fast fading.

Is it worth them investing heavily in the mobile market? Apple has a pretty strong hold over the profits, and it's a total legal minefield. The Android manufacturers don't seem to be doing all that well out of it; see HTC's revenue warning today. Samsung is an example of a company that's invested huge sums in mobile and is building a name for itself with Android, but it's smartphone profits aren't enough to make the overall market attractive.

In contrast to that, the supply market is obviously massive. Although Samsung and LG produce a lot of their own parts, Apple (the player with big cash and basically the parts everyone wants to match) doesn't. Besides, this market is unlike anything we've ever seen - cutting-edge parts are developed and shipped in enormous volumes in faster cycles than the industry has ever seen before. PCs didn't generate this much hype and ship in these volumes this quickly.

The hard side of this is that it's becoming clear that however much people might have wanted to believe that the manufacturing and consumer BUs could operate independently, it does sour the customer relationship. Apple's efforts to support TSMC as an alternative to Samsung are well documented, and probably not without foundation. Sharp has a far better shot at this market if it gets out of the consumer side directly and attacks those profits from the supply side.
 
Saladinos said:
I'm going to go out on a limb and say this foreshadows Sharp moving out of the mobile market: let's look at it from Sharp's point of view. Their name in the consumer electronics space is fast fading.

Is it worth them investing heavily in the mobile market? Apple has a pretty strong hold over the profits, and it's a total legal minefield. The Android manufacturers don't seem to be doing all that well out of it; see HTC's revenue warning today. Samsung is an example of a company that's invested huge sums in mobile and is building a name for itself with Android, but it's smartphone profits aren't enough to make the overall market attractive.

In contrast to that, the supply market is obviously massive. Although Samsung and LG produce a lot of their own parts, Apple (the player with big cash and basically the parts everyone wants to match) doesn't. Besides, this market is unlike anything we've ever seen - cutting-edge parts are developed and shipped in enormous volumes in faster cycles than the industry has ever seen before. PCs didn't generate this much hype and ship in these volumes this quickly.

The hard side of this is that it's becoming clear that however much people might have wanted to believe that the manufacturing and consumer BUs could operate independently, it does sour the customer relationship. Apple's efforts to support TSMC as an alternative to Samsung are well documented, and probably not without foundation. Sharp has a far better shot at this market if it gets out of the consumer side directly and attacks those profits from the supply side.
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That's all very well, but it's a risky model to spend billions on plant and not have your own consumer division as a back stop if you lose one or more of major part supply contracts.
 
StrudelTurnover said:
This is actually not that uncommon, but it depends on the nature of the lawsuit. Essentially, if the lawsuit does not affect every contract with one vendor, there may not be a reason to break the unaffected contracts and pay the penalties (or risk further suits). Some companies like Sony are so large you might be dealing with two entirely separate divisions.

I have worked for engineering firms that have gone to court with vendors on one hand, and send out tenders to them with the other. In some parts of the world you simply don't have a lot of choices about who has the expertise and resources to do a construction job. Plus it keeps everyone on their best behaviour. ;)
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Apple and Samsung are in a fight to the death. I'm betting on Apple! When the dust settles in a year-two Samsung execs will be "stepping down".

cheers
Johng
 
It seems worth noting that Sharp also manufactures the parallax barrier displayed used by the 3DS (and other mobile devices of course).

<baseless speculation>

Having a +300ppi retina display of iPad size is a lovely thought of course, but think ahead to a 600ppi 3D iPad. At that point the extra functionality seems infinitely more relevant than a super-dense 2D display. But by then they could even offer the choice.

Right now I'd take e-ink quality first, but 10 years from now... maybe they'll have ultrasound haptic feedback figured out too, 3D displays will probably be quite practical.
 
I haven't been following who supplies what in terms of iPad displays, but how much is this a stab at Samsung for all the legal issues going on? I know Samsung has Apple as one of their biggest component purchasers, but how much of that includes iPad displays?
 
Norkusa said:
I'd be worried if Sharp builds iPad screens with the same quality control as their TV's. Been though 4 different Sharp Quattron tv's in 1 year and they all had problems....cloudy screens, dead pixels, fried boards, etc.
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Are you kidding me?! I've always had great luck with Sharp TVs honestly. I have a 13" (or had, gave it away) that I had since 1994, still works (or did last year when I gave it away). My current one isn't that old (5 years or so?) but it's doing pretty well all things considering.

And best thing is Sharp is cheaper than Sony or Panasonic and from what I've seen as good quality (hell, my Panasonic tv in the living room is only 10 years old and it's on its way out :( ).
 
Retina display ipad? I will order on day one. Patiently waiting.

128GB iPod Touch? I will take the day off work to order on day one! NOT patiently waiting...
 
diddl14 said:
Think Sharp is also the only panel producer that can provide a moth-eye coating.

Hope Apple will adopt that for the iPad3. Boosts contrast and black-levels by absorbing virtually all reflections...
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Um, the fancy new moth-eye coatings is a joint venture between Philips and Sharp, and AFAIK Sharp hasn't yet launched any of their own products that use it -- only Philips.

More importantly, you're not going to see it on an iPad -- the coating only works because it's placed on the front-most surface of the screen, and you're never supposed to touch it. If you do, it creates stains on the screen surface that require special cleaning.

It's a neat technology, but as it stands, it's impossible to use it with touch screens.
 
itsvdiddy said:
I haven't been following who supplies what in terms of iPad displays, but how much is this a stab at Samsung for all the legal issues going on? I know Samsung has Apple as one of their biggest component purchasers, but how much of that includes iPad displays?
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For the last couple years, LG has been the main supplier of iPad and iPhone displays, although it was reported in August that Apple was shifting more orders to CMI and Samsung as LG was having difficulty keeping up with demand.

I won't say the legal issues with Samsung aren't part of the equation, but it's probably not a major factor here -- when it comes to LCDs, Apple has never been particularly reliant on Samsung.
 
I went to Sears not to long ago, and bought my first Sharp LED TV having usually had Sony or Samsung televisions. My decision was based on really three things. First, the Sharp panels with the added fourth pixel looked noticeably better then Samsung, Sony, LG, and Panasonic, all of which Sears also offered. Second, according to website reviews, Samsung is notorious for showing high end panels it makes on a particular model, but out sources the LCDs from a particular model from a variety of sources. You usually buy a panel made from some unknown third party company where the quality is inferior to the demo model. Sharp builds all its own panels so this isn't likely a problem. Third, the design of the sets with the glass bezel and chrome/glass looking stand is very Apple like.

After several months of owning this TV, it is undoubtedly the best TV I have owned. If you go on Amazon reviews, Sharp consistently gets five out of five stars. I bought a set going for $1100 at Paul's TV (and $999 on Amazon) for $699 at Sears. I have used it watching Sports, playing X-Box, as an external monitor for my Macbook, to watch DVDs, and Netflix. All looks great. I am very happy.


tigress666 said:
Are you kidding me?! I've always had great luck with Sharp TVs honestly. I have a 13" (or had, gave it away) that I had since 1994, still works (or did last year when I gave it away). My current one isn't that old (5 years or so?) but it's doing pretty well all things considering.

And best thing is Sharp is cheaper than Sony or Panasonic and from what I've seen as good quality (hell, my Panasonic tv in the living room is only 10 years old and it's on its way out :( ).
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Reading between the lines

What the WSJ said: Apple "moves to diversify component suppliers."

What they meant: Apple is cutting Samsung out of the loop.


What Forbes said: "Apple and Sharp together have a modified IGZO (indium, gallium, zinc) technology"

What they meant: Apple doesn't trust Samsung with new technology.
 
Everyone wants the iPad 3 display contract. Sharp got it.

Saladinos said:
I'm going to go out on a limb and say this foreshadows Sharp moving out of the mobile market: let's look at it from Sharp's point of view. Their name in the consumer electronics space is fast fading.
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It certainly is. Sharp suffered the misfortune of building the Danger Hiptop line only to have Danger be bought and killed by Microsoft. And if that wasn't bad enough, Sharp was also tapped by Microsoft to build KIN 1 and 2.

Saladinos said:
[...] Sharp has a far better shot at this market if it gets out of the consumer side directly and attacks those profits from the supply side.
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Exactly. Apple gives Sharp big money up front, Sharp gets the security of an exclusive supplier contract with next-gen technology, and eventually Sharp might be able to use that technology in their own products. (Most likely in TVs and computer monitors.)

And if the rumors of Apple and Sharp working together on advanced OLED technology are true, Sharp is set for the foreseeable future. When their "OLED printing" technology is ready for mass production, Apple will benefit from lower component costs, and Sharp will benefit by being Apple's supplier.
 
SockRolid said:
What the WSJ said: Apple "moves to diversify component suppliers."

What they meant: Apple is cutting Samsung out of the loop.


What Forbes said: "Apple and Sharp together have a modified IGZO (indium, gallium, zinc) technology"

What they meant: Apple doesn't trust Samsung with new technology.
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Exactly right. Well said.
 
Do we really need retina display iPad's? I think it's fine for iPod Touch and iPhone since the screens are smaller, but hell that high res display on my iPad 2 looks fine. OK so there's a market for design pro's who want to show off their portfolios but otherwise I don't see it being much beyond marketing hype. There needs to be more then that.

I'm sure someone out there will be like "What about Farmville in HD??".

I think I'd rather see a retina display upgrade in the MacBook Air sooner then the iPad.

Or even better, just merge the iPad and MacBook Air. Allow me to remove the screen from an Air and have it be an iPad.
 
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