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Do we really need retina display iPad's? I think it's fine for iPod Touch and iPhone since the screens are smaller, but hell that high res display on my iPad 2 looks fine. OK so there's a market for design pro's who want to show off their portfolios but otherwise I don't see it being much beyond marketing hype. There needs to be more then that.

I'm sure someone out there will be like "What about Farmville in HD??".

I think I'd rather see a retina display upgrade in the MacBook Air sooner then the iPad.

Or even better, just merge the iPad and MacBook Air. Allow me to remove the screen from an Air and have it be an iPad.

I disagree. I could think of a few areas where the iPad could benefit from a higher res screen, especially in the accessibility department.
 
Do we really need retina display iPad's? I think it's fine for iPod Touch and iPhone since the screens are smaller, but hell that high res display on my iPad 2 looks fine. OK so there's a market for design pro's who want to show off their portfolios but otherwise I don't see it being much beyond marketing hype. There needs to be more then that.

I'm sure someone out there will be like "What about Farmville in HD??".

I think I'd rather see a retina display upgrade in the MacBook Air sooner then the iPad.

Or even better, just merge the iPad and MacBook Air. Allow me to remove the screen from an Air and have it be an iPad.

I have a feeling you don't use or like the iPad, as your main example is Farmville. Forget gaming. Have you looked at a webpage, or tried to read any text on the iPad? It's worse than a computer monitor. You see every pixel, every bit of anti-aliasing.

Think of magazines especially. The text and the photos will be amazing, to the point where using the iPad in place of a traditional periodical might be BETTER, not worse.

The iphone/ipod touch argument doesn't work because the size of the graphics are the same, it's the pixel density that changes, the clarity. Text is the same size, icons are the same size, it just all looks BETTER when you don't see pixels. It's easier to read and less strain. That applies to ALL screens, no matter the size.

God, this is like the same argument when people said the iPhone didn't need a retina display........ :mad:
 
Not saying that sharp TV's are any good, there's some things that need to go in behind the panel to make it great (and that quattron thing is a complete load of crap).

Speaking of Quattron - the fourth yellow pixel thing in Sharp Aquos TVs - isn't it useless at the moment because of encoding? What if Apple demanded re-encoding for future content so that it actually useful in the Apple's own TV?
Maybe someone qualified can post if the human eye can actually notice the improvement once encoding is enhanced?
Sharp of course says so in their ads with George Takei, but there are many skeptical reviews ( eg. here http://dl.maximumpc.com/Archives/MPC0710-web.pdf on page 36 in the PDF, page 51 in mag).

There's also this interesting screen technology from a US start-up Nanosys ( http://scobleizer.com/2011/06/23/is...-technology-gonna-be-in-ipad-3-i-hope-so-wow/ ) mentioned by others.

Apple could combine these technology pieces with Sharp, they have the $ :)

PS: About the 'all eggs in one basket' and natural disasters in Japan comments it wouldn't be all made in one factory based on the rumors:

Sharp Kameyama I and II = smaller screens (iPad...)

Sharp Sakai = larger screens (the Sharp promo video mentions a 52'' TV near the end)

(edit: some links added)
 
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it does sound good doesn't it! As far as future proofing that is a tall order.

I do have a big concern about RAM, not only the array size but also it's bandwidth. There is a real concern of a performance regression due to all the pixels to manipulate. 2GB of RAM would be too much. The other option would be separate channel for video RAM possibly embedded in the SoC.

A real issue. Unfortunately the secondary storage market is in a mess right now, we may have to suffer through another round of non updates.

That would be nice.

Why in the Hell would you want a new GUI? Seriously do you want to break all existing software? I'm actually shocked that you suggested this. IOS isn't going to get an all new GUI, the current one will continue on tweaked with each release.
I'm not talking about a completely new GUI that breaks all current apps. I'm talking about the springboard and perhaps Apple's own apps. If they'd add widgets, put in landscape mode, re-arranged the springboard, etc. than you would get a fresh new look and you'd not break the current apps.

I'm not talking about just changes for iPhone, but also for iPad. The springboard of iOS on iPad is the same as on iPhone but just stretched out. What about multitasking? I think they certainly can do that much better on the iPad.

Apps will stay as they are. I am talking about the OS itself that needs some refreshment. Again, a fresh new springboard would be welcomed by me: add some widgets, landscape mode, re-do the multitask bar (perhaps only on iPad) and make it seem like something fresh and new.

I don't want them to break the apps.
 
Do we really need retina display iPad's? I think it's fine for iPod Touch and iPhone since the screens are smaller, but hell that high res display on my iPad 2 looks fine. OK so there's a market for design pro's who want to show off their portfolios but otherwise I don't see it being much beyond marketing hype. There needs to be more then that.

I'm sure someone out there will be like "What about Farmville in HD??".

I think I'd rather see a retina display upgrade in the MacBook Air sooner then the iPad.

Or even better, just merge the iPad and MacBook Air. Allow me to remove the screen from an Air and have it be an iPad.
That's just it. The iPad 2's screen looks fine. You get it? It looks fine, but it's not like OOOOOH-SO-BEAUTIFUL-OMG-BRILLIANT! The first response I always get when I show someone photos on my iPhone is "wow, these photos are so crisp and sharp". THe iPhone 3GS' also got a screen that's just fine, but it doesn't wow you.

I find reading text on my iPhone 4 much more comfortable than on my iPad (1) because the text is so crisp and sharp.

You are 100% correct that a retina display isn't necessary, but hey, Apple spoiled us with the iPhone 4 and now we know how crisp a display with a high pixel density can be and thus we want it.

Again, this must be the year of the hardware. If the iPad 3's got a retina display, that would be amazing. Double the RAM (because boy, its gonna need it with a retina display), give us better graphical performance (we don't want it to get worse when apps are going to use retina resolutions), A6 processor (either a heavily improved dual core processor or a 1 Ghz quad core processor) and higher res cameras (FaceTime HD, and of course with a retina display the screen is screaming for high-res pictures and videos).

The iPhone also has to catch something. I mean I love the iPhone but this summer my contract ends and as much as I love the iPhone, I will go for the best device available on the market. iPhone is falling behind in both screen size (I love the size of the Galaxy S 2), battery life and just over-all specs. The iPhone 4S is fine for now, but since it is a very small upgrade, I expect Apple to announce and release a huge upgrade over the iPhone 4S in 2012.
 
Quadrupling the screen resolution is one hell of a "bump". I've never been interested in an iPad but that will certainly change if they deliver resolution at that level.

Doubling the resolution. Four times the pixel count gives two times the resolution. Or vice versa, if you rather swing that way.
 
Um, the fancy new moth-eye coatings is a joint venture between Philips and Sharp, and AFAIK Sharp hasn't yet launched any of their own products that use it -- only Philips.

More importantly, you're not going to see it on an iPad -- the coating only works because it's placed on the front-most surface of the screen, and you're never supposed to touch it. If you do, it creates stains on the screen surface that require special cleaning.

It's a neat technology, but as it stands, it's impossible to use it with touch screens.
Good point, Thx for clarifying. I googled a bit and found this. http://www.gizmag.com/non-reflecting-nanocoating-displays-glasses/15006/
Seems that at least technology wise this problem is solved. Still doesn't mean it would ship on iPad but guess you would agree that from an innovation perspective it would be a perfect fit?
 
I went to Sears not to long ago, and bought my first Sharp LED TV having usually had Sony or Samsung televisions. My decision was based on really three things. First, the Sharp panels with the added fourth pixel looked noticeably better then Samsung, Sony, LG, and Panasonic, all of which Sears also offered. Second, according to website reviews, Samsung is notorious for showing high end panels it makes on a particular model, but out sources the LCDs from a particular model from a variety of sources. You usually buy a panel made from some unknown third party company where the quality is inferior to the demo model. Sharp builds all its own panels so this isn't likely a problem. Third, the design of the sets with the glass bezel and chrome/glass looking stand is very Apple like.

Are you getting paid???

The reason that fourth pixel looked so much better in the store is because it was using an input source that was designed to take advantage of that fourth pixel. ALL media content at the moment, whether it be broadcast television, DVD/Blu-ray, or anything else is designed specifically around RGB way of doing things and simply put: Sharp don't have the ability to influence the television/broadcast/media industries the way that apple can influence their respective industries. Everything else you've mentioned seems to be speculation at best.

Speaking of Quattron - the fourth yellow pixel thing in Sharp Aquos TVs - isn't it useless at the moment because of encoding? What if Apple demanded re-encoding for future content so that it actually useful in the Apple's own TV?
Maybe someone qualified can post if the human eye can actually notice the improvement once encoding is enhanced?
Sharp of course says so in their ads with George Takei, but there are many skeptical reviews ( eg. here http://dl.maximumpc.com/Archives/MPC0710-web.pdf on page 36 in the PDF, page 51 in mag).
 
Sharp don't have the ability to influence the television/broadcast/media industries the way that apple can influence their respective industries.

When the first iPhone came out, Apple and Google managed to offer the YouTube library without Flash. What if Apple could convince the content industry to re-encode their content - especially new movies - for the Apple/Sharp TV set?

Since everything is Full HD today this could be a unique selling point. Also, since Apple doesn't offer optical disc support, they could be the first manufacturer to offer 4k ( 4096×2160 : 4K Digital Cinema ) resolution.

Bandwidth and monthly caps may be an issue in some countries, but by 2013/2014 it could be possible...
 
When the first iPhone came out, Apple and Google managed to offer the YouTube library without Flash. What if Apple could convince the content industry to re-encode their content - especially new movies - for the Apple/Sharp TV set?

Since everything is Full HD today this could be a unique selling point. Also, since Apple doesn't offer optical disc support, they could be the first manufacturer to offer 4k ( 4096×2160 : 4K Digital Cinema ) resolution.

Bandwidth and monthly caps may be an issue in some countries, but by 2013/2014 it could be possible...

Digital distribution of 4k content won't see the light of day in 2013-2014. At least not on a broad scale, which is what matters here. How can i be so sure? Because if that was the case, "frontier countries" would already be there - and, to be frank, we're not.

(Of course I'm talking about 4k high quality. Im sure you can crank up compression algorithms quite far, but then... why have a 4k screen in first place?).

Addendum: Ironically, our best shot at having 4k appear any time soon lies within optical media (bluray) not digital distribution or "apple tv".
 
Sharp Outsourcing LCD Production to China!!

I heard a while back that Sharp, along with some other companies, were outsourcing their production to China. Much like the US outsources to China for cheap... I really hope this is not happening with the new LCD's. I typed in google "Sharp Outsourcing to China" and got some hits like this one...
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...+china&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari

I am personally sad that Samsung and Flash are not apart of Apple... Maybe it will be ok... Isn't the iPad made in China anyways?
 
Digital distribution of 4k content won't see the light of day in 2013-2014. At least not on a broad scale, which is what matters here. How can i be so sure? Because if that was the case, "frontier countries" would already be there - and, to be frank, we're not.

You are probably right, also because Apple isn't interested in adding the latest technology - eg. no NFC payments or LTE network support on iPhone 4s - and cares more about the general user experience.

There's only one 4k display on the market today that I know of:

http://www.eizo.com/na/products/duravision/fdh3601/index.html

( And it costs around 30k USD :eek: So the costs may not come down quickly enough. On the other hand I remember the first 720p Pioneer plasma displays selling for 15-20k some years ago.)

I was just brainstorming about picture quality because I still don't see how an Apple TV set can be successful even when taking into account all the different rumors:

- New control mechanism (Siri or similar) ?
- Bose-like audio system (surround speakers integrated in TV set, no wires. Bose's system here: http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop_online/televisions/videowave/index.jsp ) ?
- New business model (iAd personalized ads instead of mass-market TV ads) ?

A 'retina' TV set could help differentiate it. I will let Apple surprise me. I'm still skeptical Apple will do a TV set and not just an updated Apple TV 3. The Sharp rumor may 'just' be about iPads.
 
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You are probably right, also because Apple isn't interested in adding the latest technology - eg. no NFC payments or LTE network support on iPhone 4s - and cares more about the general user experience.

There's only one 4k display on the market today that I know of:

http://www.eizo.com/na/products/duravision/fdh3601/index.html

( And it costs around 30k USD :eek: So the costs may not come down quickly enough. On the other hand I remember the first 720p Pioneer plasma displays selling for 15-20k some years ago.)

I was just brainstorming about picture quality because I still don't see how an Apple TV set can be successful even when taking into account all the different rumors:

- New control mechanism (Siri or similar) ?
- Bose-like audio system (surround speakers integrated in TV set, no wires. Bose's system here: http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop_online/televisions/videowave/index.jsp ) ?
- New business model (iAd personalized ads instead of mass-market TV ads) ?

A 'retina' TV set could help differentiate it. I will let Apple surprise me. I'm still skeptical Apple will do a TV set and not just an updated Apple TV 3. The Sharp rumor may 'just' be about iPads.

In the fall of 1998 when the NASA Shuttle launch in 1080p was broadcast live, Magnolia Hi-Fi had an HDTV for $25k.
 
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Sharp has good QC. Hopefully they maintain it when supplying Apple
 
You are probably right, also because Apple isn't interested in adding the latest technology - eg. no NFC payments or LTE network support on iPhone 4s - and cares more about the general user experience.

There's only one 4k display on the market today that I know of:

http://www.eizo.com/na/products/duravision/fdh3601/index.html

( And it costs around 30k USD :eek: So the costs may not come down quickly enough. On the other hand I remember the first 720p Pioneer plasma displays selling for 15-20k some years ago.)

I was just brainstorming about picture quality because I still don't see how an Apple TV set can be successful even when taking into account all the different rumors:

- New control mechanism (Siri or similar) ?
- Bose-like audio system (surround speakers integrated in TV set, no wires. Bose's system here: http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop_online/televisions/videowave/index.jsp ) ?
- New business model (iAd personalized ads instead of mass-market TV ads) ?

A 'retina' TV set could help differentiate it. I will let Apple surprise me. I'm still skeptical Apple will do a TV set and not just an updated Apple TV 3. The Sharp rumor may 'just' be about iPads.

4k displays will arrive quite soon, or rather, as pointed out by you - they are already here. The step from 4k screens to 4k TVs is quite vast though - and, as mentioned, the price point is far up the scale; we're obviously not looking at devices aimed at the consumer market.

As for the Apple TV. If it was up to me i'd ship a par-panel, add some smarts, integrate with iOS/OSX devices. Siri, of course. Slick UI. Nice hardware design. Decent build. If they want to make a difference, and push volumes, thats the way to go. In my humble opinion that is. Lets just face it. Not many people out there will buy TVs priced at several thousand dollars. As i see it, if they want to make huge profits they have to find a way to target the mainstream market, slamming on a $200 profit margin by doing the "apple proposition". You won't get there by competing with specs. Software is key, not hardware.
 
That or larger displays :)

Sharp sells 70' and 80' TV sets. I think 4k is coming because the industry needs something new because 3D is not the hit it hoped for.

Sony just announced a 4k home projector:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/07/sony-announces-a-4k-projector-for-the-home-at-cedia-prices-hmz/

( also costs as much as a car :) )

Problem is, we don't have the infrastructure in place to make that push. At least not to my knowledge. As such, we'd be pretty much constrained to optical media. The value proposition at large seems quite crummy. Not many people are willing to spend a thousand bucks to get a very slight increase in quality (if even that).

I mean, think about it. The value prop. for 4k is actually less than that of 3d. With 3d we actually get something for our money. With 4k we get... well, if you're one of those people who like to sit one feet away from the screen fine... but... yeah.

That said, will they make these devices? Of course. But don't expect it to be standard any time soon. Jesus christ, the push toward 1080p started years ago, and we're still far from there. Personally, i also think its ****-poor resource (read: bandwidth) utilization. But thats just me :- )
 
Problem is, we don't have the infrastructure in place to make that push. At least not to my knowledge. As such, we'd be pretty much constrained to optical media. The value proposition at large seems quite crummy. Not many people are willing to spend a thousand bucks to get a very slight increase in quality (if even that).

I mean, think about it. The value prop. for 4k is actually less than that of 3d. With 3d we actually get something for our money. With 4k we get... well, if you're one of those people who like to sit one feet away from the screen fine... but... yeah.

That said, will they make these devices? Of course. But don't expect it to be standard any time soon. Jesus christ, the push toward 1080p started years ago, and we're still far from there. Personally, i also think its ****-poor resource (read: bandwidth) utilization. But thats just me :- )

It won't be long till Canon releases a SLR camera (such as like a T2i) that will record beyond 1080p in 4K resolution. I expected it to happen sometime within the next couple of years. The key will be the price. If its over $3,000, I won't bite till its price near $1000. I think Red One Camera which records in 4K cost around $10,000 but that's not even counting the lens.
 
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