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So far, sounds like a tedious and unnecessarily inaccessible European art-house movie. Nice to look at, but a drag to make sense of. Just what I feared.

Wait and see, I guess.

It's the exact same interface with a slight variation on the look, how does that make in unnecessarily inaccessible?

Article says: "While the core elements of those apps are mostly white, each app has been given a unique button color. Essentially, each app has a white base with a respective color theme."

This sounds like stupid interface design to me.

A color in itself means nothing. (Whereas Skeumorphism does mean something.) They could have made the calendar tangerine, the e-mail purple, the notes lime. Or they could have done them in reverse order. It doesn't ****ing matter, it means nothing, therefore it sounds pretty stupid to me. Sounds more like a tedious Krzysztof Kieślowski movie than the most intuitive and easy to understand interface in the smartphone world.

I'll withold further judgment until I see it.
 
Are new screens on the way?

These designs changes could help if the new iPhones have a cheaper greyscale screen or a new reflective/transflective screen for better outdoor view.
 
You missed what many will consider the most important part of the article - that Apple is testing a quick toggle area for Wifi, bluetooth, etc!

lol, and they will present it as ground breaking unique feature ;P lol

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Panoramic wallpaper sounds cool.

yet another feature from android ;)

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Prediction: it will be unanimously hated, then copied by everybody a year down the line.

you cant copy something that is already there. it looks like apple started copy machines to get some flavor of android features.
 
Well I guess changing from Yellow Page to a White one isn"t a big improvement, apple design has always been done pretty well in the past, waiting to see the move here!
 
I'm not getting warm fuzzies over this. Microsoft also went "flat" and dropped most color for a black and white look with Visual Studio 2012 and it's not good. I hope it's not as bad as I'm picturing...

vs is a tool for coders not for candy lovers photoshop kiddos. vs is for work, not for fun and rainbows
 
Article says: "While the core elements of those apps are mostly white, each app has been given a unique button color. Essentially, each app has a white base with a respective color theme."

This sounds like stupid interface design to me.

A color in itself means nothing. (Whereas Skeumorphism does mean something.) They could have made the calendar tangerine, the e-mail purple, the notes lime. Or they could have done them in reverse order. It doesn't ****ing matter, it means nothing, therefore it sounds pretty stupid to me. Sounds more like a tedious Krzysztof Kieślowski movie than the most intuitive and easy to understand interface in the smartphone world.

I'll withold further judgment until I see it.

If someone doesn't like the market felt font in the notes app how would they intuitively know how to change it? As far as I know there's nothing in the notes app itself that allows you to change the font, you have to do it in settings. Which begs another question, why is it more intuitive to go into settings to change the settings of an app rather than doing it right in the app itself?

You say skeuomorphism does mean something...what exactly does faux leather and stiching mean in find my friends? And is green felt the best representation of Game Center? When kids think of games these days are they really thinking of a poker table? The contacts app looks like a brown spiral book (how many people keep contacts in a book these days?), yet if you swipe left and right the pages don't turn. How is that intuitive? A lot of the skeuomorphism in iOS doesn't mean anything other than an example of fugly. Seems to me Ive & Co. figure after 7 years they can stop patronizing us.
 
I know this is a joke, but I kinda like that honestly.....not that I would for a while, but it looks cool.

Anyways, you guys are ridiculous.....Apple CAN'T copy the competition huh? Well I guess let's forget toggles and everything else people have been clamoring for forever......

Why isn't it that you can't simply be excited for the way Apple will implement these new features and such? I guarantee it won't be the same as how Android does things.

And I wasn't aware iveOS 7 had already been released? You'd think that was the case given how many people claim to be "giving it up" or getting so pissy over it.....

Seriously....get a life. It baffles my mind how dramatic some of you can be over an OS that hasn't even been released or demoed yet! :rolleyes:

Actually, everything (except maybe the mac) Apple has ever done is copy what others had. From the mp3 player, smartphone, and tablet, what they did is to adopt the technology from sony, blackberry, and MS and made them fun and easy to use and actually telling people that it's easy to use with great marketing. I hope they can do the same with iOS 7. Maybe they could improvise on their own current designs and those of other companies and make something great. :eek:

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I wonder why Apple doesn't make sure stuff like this doesn't get leaked to begin with, then all this drama could be avoided.

Obviously there is also the (not unlikely) chance that the rumor is not true.

I'm sure what ever they come up with will be great and up to Apple's standard, my main concern is with fugly mockups and blanket statements about "flat design" and "skeumorphism". Since no one has seen iOS7, no one is really qualified to make any judgements about it's appearance anyway.


Apple is a big company. There are a lot people who would pay to undermine the product-launch surprise and make their stock drop another $100. And there are fans like us who would come to see a rumor on a site (that is supported with ads) and I'm sure this and other tech websites pays the analysts and rumor people with part of the ad money.

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We aren't. There will be always be a level of Skeumo used in GUIs. It's just the extraneous and functionless stuff that will hopefully be gone (moving shadows, paper tears etc)

I really hope the shredder in passbook stays even if it becomes a flat and shadowless shredder:p
 
25 pages of people raging against something that they haven't even seen. :confused:

Cereal.

I leave for a few days and people are still all like "rabble rabble" and I'm all like "chill Winston, you don't even know what the fudge you're talking about" but they're still all like "blah blah, woof woof."

Mystifies me, again and again.
 
Just shows apple couldn't be bothered to spend a minute thinking about a solution to a genuine problem ... They just shoved it round the back rendering it completely useless!!! Typical apple these days.

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The iMac range never had floppy drives; but that aside, changing floppy to optical was a good move. Removing the optical altogether however is pretty stupid for a number of reason, the simplest being I can no longer burn my CDs to iTunes and creat discs for my car, burn movies etc unless I fork out more money for an external drive that costs money and takes up space ... All because apple wanted to make their mac thinner (but no doubt further tie people into their cloud services ... No thank you, Im not a mug!)

Thank you. Someone speaking sense. I hate the blind sheep-like following Apple down the garden path of cloud storage a lot of people are doing to try and justify why Apple have such meagre and over-priced storage options on most of their systems.

"The Cloud" isn't a concept I want. Give me lots of fast and cost-effective internal storage and I'll add my own large and cost-effective external backup storage to it on my own terms. I don't want a 256Gb SSD or a 500Gb 5400rpm drive with my iTunes library on some Apple server and have to sync via the web. Even an always on internet connection isn't as a convenient as simply having YOUR data on YOUR computer. It's pure marketing guff.
 
If someone doesn't like the market felt font in the notes app how would they intuitively know how to change it? As far as I know there's nothing in the notes app itself that allows you to change the font, you have to do it in settings. Which begs another question, why is it more intuitive to go into settings to change the settings of an app rather than doing it right in the app itself?

Market felt immediately communicates to someone that they are using a notepad, for taking short notes. It, as well as the yellow paper background communicates this succinctly. It is abundantly clear when using notepad, that one is not using a replacement for a word processor, which apparently is something that you are already confused about. In fact, it's so obvious, that no ordinary person even asks why it should be necessary to change fonts, which is as it should be. You don't want people asking for features for a notepad that shouldn't be there, and for the most part, because it's so obvious what the appropriate use of the app is and what the appropriate use of it is not, people don't ask. Except maybe for a small sub-segment of geeky weenies. I should know. I am a geeky weenie, but I understand what it means for a 55 year old who barely knows computers using this phone, if he thinks to himself "how can I insert a table or photograph into my notepad note like I could do in microsoft word." The way the interface is now, he doesn't ask that question. You don't want him to. If he wants to insert a table or a photograph, he knows he needs to find another app, not try to fiddle around trying to figure out how to do it in his notepad "word processor."

You say skeuomorphism does mean something...what exactly does faux leather and stiching mean in find my friends?

I suppose its supposed to look like a pocket address book of some sort. Not the greatest skeumorphism, but given that there isn't really a "old world" analog of something like find my friends, what alternative might there be? Maybe they should have thought of a better one. The symbol of two people holding hands makes things pretty clear. I would have tried to find a better metaphor than the leather bound thingie, so that people understand it's not address book and it's not anything private. But hey, at least they tried.

It means And is green felt the best representation of Game Center? When kids think of games these days are they really thinking of a poker table?

Green felt clearly communicates, "games." It could be a pool table. It could also be a card game. I don't use game center, but my understanding, is that it is not just for any games, but made for games involving shared play / competition in multiplayer games. I would assume that the majority of such shared games are going to be card games and board games, but I don't know really. Video arcades, in the U.S., frequently have pool tables as well, so there is an element to that. You're right. I don't know if it's the best metaphor for first person shoot-em-up video games, but then again, I don't personally think that the iPhone is the right kind of device for those high intensity, quick-reflex types of games. Perhaps the green felt motif was made to convey a reasonable expectation as to the types of games that are going to be easy to play on a device like an iphone. It gives a pretty clear metaphor about what expectations are for performance of the device, though of course people are free to try to exceed those if they wish.
The contacts app looks like a brown spiral book (how many people keep contacts in a book these days?), yet if you swipe left and right the pages don't turn. How is that intuitive? A lot of the skeuomorphism in iOS doesn't mean anything other than an example of fugly. Seems to me Ive & Co. figure after 7 years they can stop patronizing us.
My parents keep addresses in a red spiral book. My wife did in a black spiral book until very recently at my urging. The brown spiral book is just the icon. When you go into the app on the iPhone, it doesn't look like it has pages. On the mac and iPad it does look like it has pages, but I suppose there is a compromise between page turning and making a quickly accessible interface. I kind of like the look & feel of address book on the Mac. It clearly communicates its use as an addressbook, rather than some of the fancy "social networking" "addressbook plus" apps which allow for all sorts of additional features that most people wouldn't use. It communicates a sense of privacy about its contents, which people can't necessarily count on when dabbling with a social networking type "addressbook plus" (e.g. Google plus).

And once again, it's clear to most people, that if you want to do social networking, you need to find another app. It communicates not only just the immediate use, but also the intended scope and use of the product using a metaphor that people can understand.

In fact, most people intuitively understand these things about addressbook without ever explicitly being aware of it. Which is great. How does the color blue or green convey any of that?

Using your google account through the web is pretty ****** in that respect. You have to read all the little tabs and headings in your browser to try to figure out where you are in their website. You look at a page. You see your name. What happened to my email? Oh, ****it, I somehow inadvertently navigated my way into this google+ crap. Where are my contact? Oh there they are. No, wait, those are my google+ friends, not my contacts. Where is my addressbook. Oh ****. I have to find my way out of google plus into gmail. Read read read. Oh yeah. "Gmail" link. There are my contacts. Who the **** knows? It all looks basically the same, like any given page could be used for anything.
 
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Market felt immediately communicates to someone that they are using a notepad, for taking short notes. It, as well as the yellow paper background communicates this succinctly. It is abundantly clear when using notepad, that one is not using a replacement for a word processor, which apparently is something that you are already confused about. In fact, it's so obvious, that no ordinary person even asks why it should be necessary to change fonts, which is as it should be. You don't want people asking for features for a notepad that shouldn't be there, and for the most part, because it's so obvious what the appropriate use of the app is and what the appropriate use of it is not, people don't ask. Except maybe for a small sub-segment of geeky weenies. I should know. I am a geeky weenie, but I understand what it means for a 55 year old who barely knows computers using this phone, if he thinks to himself "how can I insert a table or photograph into my notepad note like I could do in microsoft word." The way the interface is now, he doesn't ask that question. You don't want him to. If he wants to insert a table or a photograph, he knows he needs to find another app, not try to fiddle around trying to figure out how to do it in his "notepad" word processor.



I suppose its supposed to look like a pocket address book of some sort. Not the greatest skeumorphism, but given that there isn't really a "old world" analog of something like find my friends, what alternative might there be? Maybe they should have thought of a better one. The symbol of two people holding hands makes things pretty clear.



Green felt clearly communicates, "games." It could be a pool table. It could also be a card game. I don't use game center, but my understanding, is that it is not just for any games, but made for games involving shared play / competition in multiplayer games. I would assume that the majority of such shared games are going to be card games and board games, but I don't know really. Video arcades, in the U.S., frequently have pool tables as well, so there is an element to that. You're right. I don't know if it's the best metaphor for first person shoot-em-up video games, but then again, I don't personally think that the iPhone is the right kind of device for those high intensity, quick-reflex types of games. Perhaps the green felt motif was made to convey a reasonable expectation as to the types of games that are going to be easy to play on a device like an iphone. It gives a pretty clear metaphor about what expectations are for performance of the device, though of course people are free to try to exceed those if they wish.

My parents keep addresses in a brown spiral book. My wife did until very recently at my urging. The brown spiral book is just the icon. When you go into the app on the iPhone, it doesn't look like it has pages. On the mac and iPad it does look like it has pages, but I suppose there is a compromise between page turning and making a quickly accessible interface. I kind of like the look & feel of address book on the Mac. It clearly communicates its use as an addressbook, rather than some of the fancy "social networking" "addressbook plus" apps which allow for all sorts of additional features that most people wouldn't use. It communicates a sense of privacy about its contents, which people can't necessarily count on when dabbling with a social networking type "addressbook plus" (e.g. Google plus). And once again, it's clear to most people, that if you want to do social networking, you need to find another app. It communicates not only just the immediate use, but also the intended use of the product using a metaphor that people can understand.

How does the color blue or green convey any of that?
I was at a Tableau Software conference last year. It was shortly after Apple announced Forstall's departure. Apple came up at several cocktail party conversations. I'd say nearly everyone I talked to made fun of Apple's software UI. Especially note pad and that silly marker felt font. I'm sorry but people don't need a note taking app to look like a legal pad of paper to know its for taking notes. And since you can do more with software than you can a pad of paper why not make the notes app more capable. Again I think it's a bit patronizing to think people need all these old life like designs to know how to use something. Skeuomorphism isn't required to make something intuitive.

I think the point of colors is to serve as a reminder of what app you're in. So rather than having a calendar with faux leather trim (how many people really use desk calendars these days?) it's a white background with black text and red is used as an accent color (as an example). Eventually people start to remember what app they're in based on the color scheme. White and black/gray with color as an accent looks a lot cleaner than the mishmash we have now.
 
I for one welcome our flatter design overlords!!!

in all seriousness though. I get the appeal of some Skeumorphisms. They're a throwback to days gone past. Sometimes they're cute, and sometimes the eye candy is nicer than a flat surface.

However. When the Skeumorphism (I really wish we had a shorter word for this), starts taking over the UI and becoming the UI, instead of flourish and finish, it starts becoming way too much.

When you start wasting valuable screen real estate just to make something look like an old desk blotter, you're using it wrong. I'm excited to see what Apple will bring in the flatter design.

Just a 3rd party mockup (simplyzety.com) but I like the concept. It's clean. Aesthetic clean up is a good start BUT I hope iOS7 will bring in some improved functionality as well -- better app organization, search, and file storage, and a native mail app that can screen out spam for starters.

This looks really promising to me.
 
Cereal.

I leave for a few days and people are still all like "rabble rabble" and I'm all like "chill Winston, you don't even know what the fudge you're talking about" but they're still all like "blah blah, woof woof."

Mystifies me, again and again.

Your "woof woof" reminded me of my adolescent dog. He runs around the yard barking at trees, shadows and other harmless stuff. Tail never stops wagging.

It seems pointless, but he loves it. Gets a good workout, too! :)
 
A highly detailed AppleInsider's article, on the way that could take the next iOS:

Editorial: Apple's iOS 7 needs exclusive, distinctive features, not just a flat UI

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13...usive-distinctive-features-not-just-a-flat-ui

I think it needs new features while also getting a face lift. You can see one of the gripes is the UI is getting stale, add some new radical features while also overhauling the UI and it will hush all those critics. If it's 200+ new features yet 90% of them are bug fixes, that isn't seen by many as a larger update, they feel that is a .1 update.

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How do you know you love it? No one's seen it yet.

Because anything apple gives him/her he loves regardless ha. They could sell him a turd with an apple logo on it and he would buy it:eek:
 
I wonder why Apple doesn't make sure stuff like this doesn't get leaked to begin with, then all this drama could be avoided.

Obviously there is also the (not unlikely) chance that the rumor is not true.

I'm sure what ever they come up with will be great and up to Apple's standard, my main concern is with fugly mockups and blanket statements about "flat design" and "skeumorphism". Since no one has seen iOS7, no one is really qualified to make any judgements about it's appearance anyway.

You realize how hard it is for these huge companies to have stuff not leaked? Not to mention majority of the time they have "controlled leaks" to get everyone excited/guessing
 
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