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Ah can not handle the truth can you. People type on average faster on physical keyboards over touch screen. No way around that. On a physical keyboard you can type by feel because you know when your finger is inbetween 2 keys. Can not do that on a touch screen. Or tell me how you know somthing was pressed with out the sound on the iPhone. Take away that click sound you would not know if a letter was not registered but on a physical keyboard you can tell that information by feel.

Please provide the data to back up this claim.
 
From a bare analysis of the physical characteristics, I would guess that people can type faster on a screen than a button-keyboard simply because they don't have to spend the extra milliseconds pressing the button downward. It may be possible also that the extra force required to press buttons down slows the finger down slightly. If the physical keyboard is just a flat surface and not buttons, then perhaps it makes no difference at all.

What may be subconsciously confusing people is the difference between a full-sized physical keyboard (where one can use ten fingers) and a screen (or physical phone) keyboard, where one usually uses two thumbs.

(I still can't understand why Apple won't make or allow a portable external keyboard, like on Palms.
 
I am looking forward to this, verizon is awesome. That's not to say an iphone on verizon might not be better though :p
 
Please provide the data to back up this claim.

http://eprints.kfupm.edu.sa/47014/1/47014.pdf

It is an thesis from University of Maryland. It states that even experiences users typed slower on a touchscreen devise than a physical keyboard. With Novices they were move likely to type in errors on the touchscreen compared to a physical.

Turns out to be a interesting read. But I figured it should show the proof. From what I can tell it is a master level thesis paper. Clearly not an undergrad level since schools do not keep those stored online.
 
http://eprints.kfupm.edu.sa/47014/1/47014.pdf

It is an thesis from University of Maryland. It states that even experiences users typed slower on a touchscreen devise than a physical keyboard.

Where does it say that? It says that people were slower on a small touchscreen than on a large touchscreen. It also says that users were slower on all touchscreen devices than on "traditional keyboards," which I would take to mean full-size physical keyboards. A physical phone keyboard is not traditional: it is still a thumb-keyboard.

Also, this experiment doesn't allow for auto-correct, which a confident iPhone user can rely on to greatly increase speed.
 
Ah can not handle the truth can you. People type on average faster on physical keyboards over touch screen. No way around that. On a physical keyboard you can type by feel because you know when your finger is inbetween 2 keys. Can not do that on a touch screen. Or tell me how you know somthing was pressed with out the sound on the iPhone. Take away that click sound you would not know if a letter was not registered but on a physical keyboard you can tell that information by feel.

Not 100% true. I'd like to see the studies that support your "truth". I can definitely type faster on my iPT than I can my BB Curve.

There's at least one instance that you're incorrect.
 
It crashes all the time, and I think it's gotten worse since 3.0. Mainly when I'm in Safari.

Seriously, with the iPhone 2G, then the 3G and now the 3GS I have not had a single OS crash or hiccup with my iPhone.

O2's crappy signal drives me nuts with its lack of effective 3G coverage - but that has nothing to do with the OS.

I put 3.0 on the 2G shortly before selling it on eBay and it was solid - no problems whatsoever!

Seriously, I suspect that many supposed OS issues are more likely to be hardware ie. the handset itself rather than the OS.
 
From a bare analysis of the physical characteristics, I would guess that people can type faster on a screen than a button-keyboard simply because they don't have to spend the extra milliseconds pressing the button downward. It may be possible also that the extra force required to press buttons down slows the finger down slightly. If the physical keyboard is just a flat surface and not buttons, then perhaps it makes no difference at all.

What may be subconsciously confusing people is the difference between a full-sized physical keyboard (where one can use ten fingers) and a screen (or physical phone) keyboard, where one usually uses two thumbs.

(I still can't understand why Apple won't make or allow a portable external keyboard, like on Palms.

Or just allow bluetooth keyboards.

I've gotten rather used to the iPhone keyboard to the point where it only becomes an issue when the auto-correction begins screwing up things that aren't everyday words, in which case it can be annoying.

The key is that Droid is offering both in a form factor that is about the same thickness of the iPhone.
 
I've gotten rather used to the iPhone keyboard to the point where it only becomes an issue when the auto-correction begins screwing up things that aren't everyday words, in which case it can be annoying.

Aint that the Ducking truth.

Actually my HTC Hero suffers the same ducking issue.
 
Where does it say that? It says that people were slower on a small touchscreen than on a large touchscreen. It also says that users were slower on all touchscreen devices than on "traditional keyboards," which I would take to mean full-size physical keyboards. A physical phone keyboard is not traditional: it is still a thumb-keyboard.

Also, this experiment doesn't allow for auto-correct, which a confident iPhone user can rely on to greatly increase speed.

Not 100% true. I'd like to see the studies that support your "truth". I can definitely type faster on my iPT than I can my BB Curve.

There's at least one instance that you're incorrect.

Personally I think you are not telling the truth. The one piece of logic people who think touch screen is faster fail to understand is on touch screen only you kill off one sense completely. you are not to visual only and physical feeling is gone.

From an apple fan site as well
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...ypad_half_as_efficient_as_qwerty_keypads.html

Ouch. Even the fanboy sites supply proof that the physcal keyboards are faster and more efficient
 
Personally I think you are not telling the truth. The one piece of logic people who think touch screen is faster fail to understand is on touch screen only you kill off one sense completely. you are not to visual only and physical feeling is gone.

From an apple fan site as well
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...ypad_half_as_efficient_as_qwerty_keypads.html

Ouch. Even the fanboy sites supply proof that the physcal keyboards are faster and more efficient

Oh, so now I'm a liar? :rolleyes:

I AM NOT LYING. I type faster on the iPT than any vertically orientated physical keyboard. we'll see how I do with the Droid, being landscape. I'm getting one ASAP.

And by the way, the "click" confirm is turned off on my iPT. So I guess "studies" aren't infallible, are they?
 
Even if you space the keys out by 10% it might throw some one off for a little while during the adjustment but it does not take long adjust.

The biggest problem with touchscreen is you can not tell with out looking if you are inbetween 2 keys. No amount of practice solves that problem. It is physically impossible to be able to tell if you are inbetween 2 keys with out looking.

On my itouch I can type notes fairly well but still make a hell of a lot more errors than I do on any of the physical QWERTY phones out there. Across 4 different phones I make fewer errors than I make on the touch.

people text faster on the physical keyboard phones over a touch with fewer errors.



LOL that is the best argument you have....

We have already seen the android takes away many of the advantages the iPhone had over lets say windows mobile.

On thing that will prevent me from getting the iPhone is the lack of a physical keyboard and the completely lack of multitasking, which fan boys defense for is almost as laughable as when the iPhone lacked MMS.

Keep living in la la land. Google can keep flooding the market with phones, we'll see consumers buy them. The only reason the manufacturers are jumping on it is because it's free, who doesn't want something that's free. We all know Android is inferior, heck even Verizon knows which is why they want the iphone. Heck the only reason why the are running those anti iphone ads with Android is because they can't get the iphone but you can keep deluding yourself!
 
LOL

Windows Mobile is awful, but it has nothing to do with it being on multiple devices it has more to do with it being an OS that Microsoft let stagnant for years releasing one joke of an update after another, as soon as the iPhone came out and styluses basically became obsolete they were years behind and they still haven't played catchup. Nevermind that their OS is slow, and features a pretty awful webbrowser.

Android on the other hand is built after the iPhone era and doesn't have the problems that hamper WinMo, it's built ground up for these new devices and finger UI.

I hear ya.

There is a little fun story about Windows Mobile and Windows CE. I'm not sure how related are both branches but I was always under the impression they were the same.

Anyways, the story says that Microsoft was developing an OS for Tandy. After many disagreements, MS deliberately crippled the OS. The project was scrapped but Tandy had tons of the new useless hardware. Tandy went broke, the MS project became Windows Embedded.

Meh, found that on a newsgroup some years ago. I was never able to verify the source and I haven't been able to find anything related to it though :(
 
Keep living in la la land. Google can keep flooding the market with phones, we'll see consumers buy them. The only reason the manufacturers are jumping on it is because it's free, who doesn't want something that's free. We all know Android is inferior, heck even Verizon knows which is why they want the iphone. Heck the only reason why the are running those anti iphone ads with Android is because they can't get the iphone but you can keep deluding yourself!

ahahaha.... oh wow..... hahahaha.

"Android is inferior." Sure? Are you sure about that? From a technical standpoint what proof or points do you have to be able to say the Android is inferior?

And I don't know what you mean by free in this case.

So yeah, I will gladly keep deluding myself with choice.
 
ahahaha.... oh wow..... hahahaha.

"Android is inferior." Sure? Are you sure about that? From a technical standpoint what proof or points do you have to be able to say the Android is inferior?

And I don't know what you mean by free in this case.

So yeah, I will gladly keep deluding myself with choice.

It is inferior to me and judging by Apple leading the consumer satisfaction rates, it is also inferior to the iphone and I'm not the only one that agrees with that statement.
 
It is inferior to me and judging by Apple leading the consumer satisfaction rates, it is also inferior to the iphone and I'm not the only one that agrees with that statement.

So your opinion and customer satisfaction rates = technical superiority now does it?

What does the iPhone OS do what Android OS does not?
 
So your opinion and customer satisfaction rates = technical superiority now does it?

What does the iPhone OS do what Android OS does not?

With the possible exception of lacking a ton of fart and tip apps, not a whole lot, judging by my actual usage of the iPhone OS as well as Android 1.6, which is something most of the people bagging on Android lack; actual experience with the OS they're criticizing.

Android up until recently was only T-Mobile in the US. Now it's T-Mobile, Sprint, and Verizon, and also AT&T apparently (though who'd actually want to use AT&T, besides the iPhone exclusivity).

Things definitely have the potential to change.
 
as long as the battery life is pretty decent and it gets wifi, I'm in. Verizon + a decent phone is sadly greater than ATT+ Iphone

Couldn't have said it better myself. I am a diehard Apple fan, and I have owned the original iphone plus the 3G. Sadly, I think my run with the iphone is over, as I haven't even been on AT&T for a few months now (T-mobile unlocked). Through the switch to T-mobile i've lost important features such as 3G and visual voice mail. I will be ditching my 3G iphone when the Droid comes out cause lets face it, the specs are better, the app store is ever growing, and the Droid just has more customizability. Think about it iphone lovers, we can't even customize the SMS or mail tones out of the box, the speaker phone / speaker is STILL weak after three iterations, no decent affordable turn by turn apps, and for god's sakes NO BLUETOOTH file sharing! The iphone looks more and more like a ripoff every time I think about it. Combine that with AT&T's lackluster network and you have a so so experience. The Droid would be worth the switch to be on the Verizon network alone.
 
It is inferior to me and judging by Apple leading the consumer satisfaction rates, it is also inferior to the iphone and I'm not the only one that agrees with that statement.

So then through your thought process the iphone is better in satisfaction survey's simply because the phone you're slandering hasn't even come out yet and literally has NO survey's conducted on its users thus far. Hmm, that seems real logical. Sounds like someone is a little close minded and afraid to jump off the bandwagon this time around.
 
http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/02/droid-headed-to-germany-as-motorola-milestone/

O2 Germany has confirmed a GSM version of the DROID for Europe going by the name of the Motorola MILESTONE. The news comes courtesy of a sliver of O2's online store page that left itself exposed to the wiles of Google, complete with the above picture and the new moniker, and follows close on the heels of a leaked business guide which says the MILESTONE will retail for €404.20 to corporate customers, and will be available as of November 9th.

It's on its way to Germany!

If it's only on O2 in the UK I will probably cry. The best thing that ever happened to the iPhone (over here at least) was the end of O2 exclusivity.
 
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