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I was sort of hoping that the NFC was going to be present in the 4S, but alas, it was not.

I am not too worried though because it seems that the market for retailers willing to support this technology is still in it's infancy.

Besides, I still love my debit card. ;)
 
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I can't wait to see how Apple would implement this.
 
This may be the push that the UK needs to kick start contactless payments.
If thousands of people get iPhone (X) then businesses will have to respond

Ive got a BOA CC with the chip in it, but as yet, have not found any place that accepts or is even set up to use it.....It's also limited to purchases under £15.00 Not much use these day's. Not sure I'd really use / want it on my phone.
 
Ive got a BOA CC with the chip in it, but as yet, have not found any place that accepts or is even set up to use it.....It's also limited to purchases under £15.00 Not much use these day's. Not sure I'd really use / want it on my phone.

I've seen a few here in London. £15 seems reasonable for security. I'd use it all the time- picking up milk from the corner shop, tea/coffee in a cafe, pint at the pub etc.
 
I am not too worried though because it seems that the market for retailers willing to support this technology is still in it's infancy.

Got some big names, though. Searching nearby me with the Mastercard Paypass locator, I found:

CVS
Home Depot
McDonalds
PetCo
Radio Shack
7-11
ShopRite
Sports Authority
Wendys
Sunoco Gas
Hess Gas

Alas, my local grocery store isn't on the list.
 
If it’s not Apple it’s Visa, MasterCard, Amex, et. al., and I wouldn’t be surprised if the credit card companies sold their customer database.

Of course they do, like Deutsche Post did. Even if they're not a CC company, everybody does it. If you really are afraid of Apple knowing everything you buy, don't use it.
 
The only payment option that I will link to my iPhone is my iTunes account. I buy prepaid iTunes cards instead of linking a credit card or bank card. There are pros and cons to the "pay with your iPhone" method of payment. Personally, it will be cool to pay for something at an Apple store with an iPhone. :) I suppose it's no different than making purchases through one's iPhone over the web? Don't know!
 
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No thanks.

Completely worthless, not the least bit secure, and totally redundant. I don't need to get rid of my wallet, cash, and credit card. They work just fine, not the slightest burden to carry, and I wouldn't gain a single benefit from using NFC.

Those cheering for this are merely senseless tech addicts with no real world thoughts or attitude. You don't need this, and what's more, you shouldn't want it either. You just Do because it's "something else you don't have yet"
 
We have it in the UK already, well we have the contactless cards.

I just don't get it. I'd be pretty pissed off if I lost my card and someone could use it to buy things for under £15, yes £15 to a working person with a job wouldn't in most cases be a lot to lose, but what if it's £15, then another £15 in another shop, then another £15 in another shop?


I just don't get why you need to use it, yes in Japan it works on systems that work fast with a lot of people using it, I.E. urban trains, however thats not really a need elsewhere. In London the fast moving places like London's underground already has the oyster card system, waiting at a shop to buy something using your pin doesn't take up much time, usually the payment process can take place when things are being bagged.


Theirs a reason why in England the advert for it is a guy going home on a waterside and can't stop so has everything waiting for him and all he has to do is grab things and swipe as he passes. In the real world no one is going home on a water slide.
 
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No thanks.

Completely worthless, not the least bit secure, and totally redundant. I don't need to get rid of my wallet, cash, and credit card. They work just fine, not the slightest burden to carry, and I wouldn't gain a single benefit from using NFC.

Those cheering for this are merely senseless tech addicts with no real world thoughts or attitude. You don't need this, and what's more, you shouldn't want it either. You just Do because it's "something else you don't have yet"

Yeah this stuff is gimmicky and dumb. Although we'll see much more places start to implement it once Apple makes it available on the iPhone.
 
Our money - at least Dollars and Euros - isn't backed up by anything anymore anyway. Soon we will work all day only for digital money, created from nothing and basically worth nothing. It's just absurd.

I certainly will not use it, but far too many idiots will.
 
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Really not a fan of Qualcomm chips. What happened to TSMC?

Amen. If (hypothetical) the A6 was Qualcomm it wouldn't be as good as the A5!!! I know it wouldn't be terrible but all the snapdragon chips in my diff android have had extremely weak GPU's. That likely won't matter a whole lot as we don't have anything in the app store that will even tax the A5 as far as I'm concerned.
 
I wont use it or anything like it, The security risks involved are just too high.

On the contrary, the credit card companies love NFC, because they consider it to be far MORE secure than using a separate card.

1) You don't usually hand the phone to anyone else.
2) Even if you do, they cannot make a quick copy of your card or number.
3) You're less likely to accidentally leave it behind.
4) Quick pay is limited in the US to items under $50. Above that, you have to enter a PIN. This is MUCH better than with credit cards.

As with credit cards, you're not liable if your phone is stolen and you let them know as soon as possible.

Those cheering for this are merely senseless tech addicts with no real world thoughts or attitude. You don't need this, and what's more, you shouldn't want it either. You just Do because it's "something else you don't have yet"

Tell that to my daughter the mother and schoolteacher, who absolutely loves being able to use her phone all around Cape Canaveral to buy things just by putting it next to the usual credit card swiper. No fuss, no muss, no purse, no lost cards.

Yeah this stuff is gimmicky and dumb. Although we'll see much more places start to implement it once Apple makes it available on the iPhone.

Would that make it less "gimmicky and dumb" in your mind if Apple added support for NFC?

It's definitely coming. Just think of the valuable targeted consumer info they'll get with each purchase. That's why Google is doing it.

You see, when Apple said they weren't getting into the search business, that was just handwaving so people wouldn't notice that they were getting into the targeted advertising business, which is Google's real reason to exist.

It's a good bet that Apple will also figure out a way to make even more bucks on it, by passing everything through iTunes and charging someone for it. Then we'll all have to pay more to merchants who're paying Mastercard AND Apple.

Apple's not dumb. NFC's potential for revenue is huge.
 
Our money - at least Dollars and Euros - isn't backed up by anything anymore anyway. Soon we will work all day only for digital money, created from nothing and basically worth nothing. It's just absurd.

I certainly will not use it, but far too many idiots will.
How else will you live?

Money is backed up by something, Gold. The amount of Gold a country has determines how much money they can create and how much a country can be worth. Using coins and notes was a system that was there only represent worth, going over to a digital system will just mean that their is no visual representation to anyone but their is a representation to companies, people's accounts etc.


Once the world or most of the world crosses over to a 100% digital money age will be good in some ways and bad in others. On one hand it means you cannot forge money, thus making a country weaker because more money is in circulation than can be allowed until inflation is increased thus making things more expensive for the average consumer. Unfortunately this also means that you can no longer hide your money under your bed, you cannot just hand over change on whim, charities will lose out on the 1p or 1c cent of your change you give to the blind boxes, and card cloning/skimming will eventually become more and more advanced and widespread.

Their is downsides to digital money, but their is upsides as well. To say that because you feel the downsides are too much thus you will opt out of it is a stupid thing to say. No one can opt out of using money, unless of course you live in a jungle, use your own renewable resources, live off your own land etc then you can't get away from the use of money. Since your on a forum dedicated to one of the worlds richest companies I'm assuming that you use money in order to access the ability to go on line. Your broadband serve, the device your are using to go on line etc, they all cost money.
 
Would that make it less "gimmicky and dumb" in your mind if Apple added support for NFC?

It's definitely coming. Just think of the valuable targeted consumer info they'll get with each purchase. That's why Google is doing it.

You see, when Apple said they weren't getting into the search business, that was just handwaving so people wouldn't notice that they were getting into the targeted advertising business, which is Google's real reason to exist.

It's a good bet that Apple will also figure out a way to make even more bucks on it, by passing everything through iTunes and charging someone for it. Then we'll all have to pay more to merchants who're paying Mastercard AND Apple.

Apple's not dumb. NFC's potential for revenue is huge.

Nope not at all. I'll still consider it gimmicky and dumb when Apple does it, I was just pointing out that it's going to become widespread third party implementation-wise when Apple does it. Meaning more retailers will begin implementing it, more gas stations, movie theaters, everyone.

Of course Apple is going to make money off it. They make money off all their endeavors. That doesn't mean everything they do is amazing. NFC can be big, but it's not some new technology. Apple is the only company that can make it mainstream.
 
Money is backed up by something, Gold. The amount of Gold a country has determines how much money they can create and how much a country can be worth.

Wrong. We are not living in the 60ies anymore.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_s..._gold-dollar_standard_.281946.E2.80.931971.29

Todays money is backed up by absolutely nothing.


How else will you live?

I was refering to the NFC payment system - which of course is just the next step, not to money in general.
 
I guess I just don't see the need for this. Sure it would be nice to not carry around my wallet but I still need to carry some kind of ID, right?
I also would want to carry a little cash just in case. I've had situations at the store where something was wrong and they couldn't process credit cards or debit cards for some reason.
And what about restaurants? Would they have to bring a terminal over to your table or would you hand your phone to your waitress, who would walk away with it to scan it at the register? That thought makes me nervous.
 
already have it on my android and I actually use it quite a bit. Glad to know the next iPhone will have it. won't miss anything when I switch back :D
 
I guess I just don't see the need for this. Sure it would be nice to not carry around my wallet but I still need to carry some kind of ID, right?

Actually, I think that eventually we'll also be able to use our phones to hold driver licenses and other photo ids.

Right now, for the consumer I think this is basically just another optional convenience... similar to ones a lot of people have already gotten used to:
  • Using credit cards instead of carrying thousands in cash.
  • Paying bills online without needing envelopes and stamps.
  • Keeping all those membership discount cards on our keychains or phones.
  • Using our phone to show our airplane boarding pass.
  • Using our phone to buy and show movie tickets.
  • Buying coffee ahead in line with our phone.
  • Using the Verizon Disney app to find and reserve ride tickets while in the park.

I'm sure you can think of similar conveniences that were unheard of not long ago, but which have become commonplace or will do so soon.

I know a lot of young people who use all the above now. Us older folks take a little longer to move away from paper/plastic, but if it's convenient, we hop on it too :)

This is a no-brainer folks. It's here now, it's getting bigger by the day. We don't have to use it, but it's there if we want to.
 
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Gold Bug

How else will you live?

Money is backed up by something, Gold. The amount of Gold a country has determines how much money they can create and how much a country can be worth. Using coins and notes was a system that was there only represent worth, going over to a digital system will just mean that their is no visual representatio( to anyone but their is a representation to companies, people's accounts etc. (EDIT)

I don't think the gold standard is in use anymore, I could be wrong.
 
they need to integrate into google wallet rather than try to compete with it. That way there will be a standard and everybody wins.
 
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