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Re: Re: Re: .Mac & .Net
Nope, just $30 an inkjet cartridge, less if you're willing to risk a generic cartridge. Plus your time, waiting for them to print. 100 4x6 prints on an inkjet printing at 1440+ ppi take a long time to churn out, how much is that time worth to you?
And how anal do you have to be? I used to shoot commercially for a living, so my standards are quite high. But for anyone, once all those lovely inkjets they made start fading, the benefits of photo paper become apparent. Sure, there are inkjets out there that are archival, but their cartridges cost even more.
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Nope, just $30 an inkjet cartridge, less if you're willing to risk a generic cartridge. Plus your time, waiting for them to print. 100 4x6 prints on an inkjet printing at 1440+ ppi take a long time to churn out, how much is that time worth to you?
And how anal do you have to be? I used to shoot commercially for a living, so my standards are quite high. But for anyone, once all those lovely inkjets they made start fading, the benefits of photo paper become apparent. Sure, there are inkjets out there that are archival, but their cartridges cost even more.
Re: Re: Re: .Mac & .Net
You make my point so much better than I ever could...
This post tells me that you CAN'T name any sites that provide the services that Apple does (a lie you posted above) and just because YOU don't have a need for the .mac service you think Apple is stupid for trying to sell it to those who DO see a value in it.
You are a selfish child no matter what your real age might be.
P.S. 'No Fees' to print 100 photos? Really?!? Oh do you steal your photo quality injet paper and ink too or does the ink and paper fairy make regular visits?
P.S.S. Finally no matter what you say photos from Kodak are a much better then anything you could ever produce on a $99 (or $399) color injet. Oh and that free paper and ink it is archive quality ink and photo paper right?
You do know that term (archive quality) means don't you? If not print a photo on your inkjet and take a normal photo and hang em both in a sunny room for 6 months or so... Report back with what you find. 😛
Dave
You make my point so much better than I ever could...
This post tells me that you CAN'T name any sites that provide the services that Apple does (a lie you posted above) and just because YOU don't have a need for the .mac service you think Apple is stupid for trying to sell it to those who DO see a value in it.
You are a selfish child no matter what your real age might be.
P.S. 'No Fees' to print 100 photos? Really?!? Oh do you steal your photo quality injet paper and ink too or does the ink and paper fairy make regular visits?
P.S.S. Finally no matter what you say photos from Kodak are a much better then anything you could ever produce on a $99 (or $399) color injet. Oh and that free paper and ink it is archive quality ink and photo paper right?
You do know that term (archive quality) means don't you? If not print a photo on your inkjet and take a normal photo and hang em both in a sunny room for 6 months or so... Report back with what you find. 😛
Dave
jelloshotsrule
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for people who have their own domain name, this is most likely not for them. they get more web space (often) at less cost (often). with several (sometimes unlimited) email addresses... but they don't get the ease of a few clicks and a movie or picture album is online for the world (friends and family probably) to see. now, the type of people who have their own domains are also not likely the type who would wnat the simple/template websites that .mac provides. that said, that's not the target. it's not for you, so move on.
and yeah, of course the quality of the kodak prints will be far beyond a cheap inkjet. i agree, for most people the inkjet quality is fine, especially for the target market of .mac... but then again, having 100 free very high quality prints isn't something most people would turn down...
also, i have heard that the bandwidth problem seen by some people using itools doesn't exist with .mac (or if you had paid for more itools stuff) as your bandwidth is increased....
and yeah, of course the quality of the kodak prints will be far beyond a cheap inkjet. i agree, for most people the inkjet quality is fine, especially for the target market of .mac... but then again, having 100 free very high quality prints isn't something most people would turn down...
also, i have heard that the bandwidth problem seen by some people using itools doesn't exist with .mac (or if you had paid for more itools stuff) as your bandwidth is increased....
Re: Re: Re: Re: .Mac & .Net
Listen dave, I don't mind other posters who want to argue points, but re: the way you do it........ you can kiss my ass.
Listen dave, I don't mind other posters who want to argue points, but re: the way you do it........ you can kiss my ass.
Junk
The freebies are crap ... coupons to get you to spend more money and a couple of photos ... woopdey doo ... a $129 OS upgrade that should still be a beta ... typical big compnay bs ... I know that i will get flamed for this statement, but Apple has become no better than M$.
The freebies are crap ... coupons to get you to spend more money and a couple of photos ... woopdey doo ... a $129 OS upgrade that should still be a beta ... typical big compnay bs ... I know that i will get flamed for this statement, but Apple has become no better than M$.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: .Mac & .Net
Nice language. Do you always resort to off the cuff remarks like that when you can't prove your point. You aren't doing any arguing nor are you debating... You're just trashing something you don't like and flip-floping on the reasons why you don't like it.
You: I can get all of those services FREE on the net
Me: Gives a list of services and requested you to provide your list of free/low cost alternatives.
You: Can't or wont provide a list of free/low cost sites but instead say 'I wont use most of that stuff anyway'
So what is it? Is .mac too expensive and free options that are just as good/easy already exist (if so please show us the way) *or* is it something you just wouldn't use no matter what the cost. If you want to argue / debate an issue you first need pick a side and then stick with it.
Why don't you just either admit that .mac isn't something YOU need and thus no matter what the cost it wouldn't really matter since you wouldn't use it anyway *or* you are just mad because you have to pay for a service that you would use but expect to use for free or at a lower price!
I guess you could like to complain just for the heck of it but that seems pretty self destructive.
Dave
Nice language. Do you always resort to off the cuff remarks like that when you can't prove your point. You aren't doing any arguing nor are you debating... You're just trashing something you don't like and flip-floping on the reasons why you don't like it.
You: I can get all of those services FREE on the net
Me: Gives a list of services and requested you to provide your list of free/low cost alternatives.
You: Can't or wont provide a list of free/low cost sites but instead say 'I wont use most of that stuff anyway'
So what is it? Is .mac too expensive and free options that are just as good/easy already exist (if so please show us the way) *or* is it something you just wouldn't use no matter what the cost. If you want to argue / debate an issue you first need pick a side and then stick with it.
Why don't you just either admit that .mac isn't something YOU need and thus no matter what the cost it wouldn't really matter since you wouldn't use it anyway *or* you are just mad because you have to pay for a service that you would use but expect to use for free or at a lower price!
I guess you could like to complain just for the heck of it but that seems pretty self destructive.
Dave
Re: Re: Re: .Mac & .Net
1)There are plenty of services similar to .mac, just not all of them can be found in a nice little package and seamlessly integrated into your operating system for daily use. I am a webdesigner/developer with a ton of webspace and services and i've dealt with alot of hosts both quality and not so quality. Yet i still purchased .mac to use for various things and find it quite usefull and convenient. It can't replace my web hosts, but its integration with OS X makes it very convienent for some personal projects. I don't find anything "crappy" about it. I dont think apple is trying to trick people to "needlessly fork over there money" i think they're simply providing a service to mac users (that integrates with there current hardware and software) at a somewhat reasonable price. People are CHOOSING to use .mac no one is being forced or coerced. You either want it or don't. No need to start flaming .mac users insinuating that they are morons and being tricked into buying crappy services. People simply decide if the service is right for them or not. Obviously its not right for you.
2)Some people can print good quality prints at home. If you have the right combination of patience, time and tools/skills. I do not have the time or the patience for such things despite having the skills. Also my printer, like many other home printers is sub-par, which is why i send clients print work to a trusted printer when i need stuff done. I find that this is an easy/economical solution in both my business and personal projects. So i see the kodak prints as a good selling point. Especially to alot of people who may be buying a digital camera for the first time and are used to dropping off film, they can now just click a button in iphoto and have prints mailed to them.
In closing...
Your situation obviously differs and your entitled to your opinion. However coming and trashing the service because it doesnt fill your needs is just a waste of time. Some people will have a use for it some won't. If not for the $49 first year offer, I may not have signed up. I think it was worth $49 at least. Next year i'll evaluate it and see if its worth $99 to me, if not, i will choose not to renew.
1)There are plenty of services similar to .mac, just not all of them can be found in a nice little package and seamlessly integrated into your operating system for daily use. I am a webdesigner/developer with a ton of webspace and services and i've dealt with alot of hosts both quality and not so quality. Yet i still purchased .mac to use for various things and find it quite usefull and convenient. It can't replace my web hosts, but its integration with OS X makes it very convienent for some personal projects. I don't find anything "crappy" about it. I dont think apple is trying to trick people to "needlessly fork over there money" i think they're simply providing a service to mac users (that integrates with there current hardware and software) at a somewhat reasonable price. People are CHOOSING to use .mac no one is being forced or coerced. You either want it or don't. No need to start flaming .mac users insinuating that they are morons and being tricked into buying crappy services. People simply decide if the service is right for them or not. Obviously its not right for you.
2)Some people can print good quality prints at home. If you have the right combination of patience, time and tools/skills. I do not have the time or the patience for such things despite having the skills. Also my printer, like many other home printers is sub-par, which is why i send clients print work to a trusted printer when i need stuff done. I find that this is an easy/economical solution in both my business and personal projects. So i see the kodak prints as a good selling point. Especially to alot of people who may be buying a digital camera for the first time and are used to dropping off film, they can now just click a button in iphoto and have prints mailed to them.
In closing...
Your situation obviously differs and your entitled to your opinion. However coming and trashing the service because it doesnt fill your needs is just a waste of time. Some people will have a use for it some won't. If not for the $49 first year offer, I may not have signed up. I think it was worth $49 at least. Next year i'll evaluate it and see if its worth $99 to me, if not, i will choose not to renew.
Re: Junk
100 prints is hardly "a couple of photos"...
10.2 is far from a beta. It's stable and fast, with enhanced services and features... hell the seamless file sharing between mac and windows environments alone is worth the price. Also its hardly just "an upgrade" use it and you'll see.
Of course you'll get flamed for your post, your just talking trash, no facts at all...
100 prints is hardly "a couple of photos"...
10.2 is far from a beta. It's stable and fast, with enhanced services and features... hell the seamless file sharing between mac and windows environments alone is worth the price. Also its hardly just "an upgrade" use it and you'll see.
Of course you'll get flamed for your post, your just talking trash, no facts at all...
Printing is free?
I would hardly consider printing out photographs to be free. A single 4x6 print probably costs an average of at least $.50-.75 for both the cost of photo paper and the cost of color ink. 100 free pictures is a good deal (do they charge $19.95 s/h for those free photos?).
I would hardly consider printing out photographs to be free. A single 4x6 print probably costs an average of at least $.50-.75 for both the cost of photo paper and the cost of color ink. 100 free pictures is a good deal (do they charge $19.95 s/h for those free photos?).
Shipping and Handling is 7 bucks for the photos, well that's what I just paid.
I just ordered 120 photos and it took forever to upload (on cable) it also made my ibook (600) crawl. My processor usage was at a 100% the whole time the photos were uploading even when I wasn't using the computer, does this happen to anyone else.
I just ordered 120 photos and it took forever to upload (on cable) it also made my ibook (600) crawl. My processor usage was at a 100% the whole time the photos were uploading even when I wasn't using the computer, does this happen to anyone else.
My photos shipped!!
I just uploaded my photos last night and I just got an email that they shipped. It took Walmart over two weeks to get them out of the door, sure Walmart charges about 26 cents, but I hate waiting. They also screwed up my order, half of the pics weren't printed and the other half were doubles when I only ordered singles.
I just uploaded my photos last night and I just got an email that they shipped. It took Walmart over two weeks to get them out of the door, sure Walmart charges about 26 cents, but I hate waiting. They also screwed up my order, half of the pics weren't printed and the other half were doubles when I only ordered singles.
Now... technically..... 🙂
I know of at least one hosting service that provides great service for $7.77/month, which comes out to $93.24 (I point most of my clients to them... cheaper than providing hosting myself). Plenty of space/bandwidth, and email accounts. But that's splitting hairs.
Anyhow... to touch on the theme of ".Mac is for newbies & grandmas" (paraphrasing), I'd rather throw $50 or $100 at .Mac & take the ease, convenience, & elegance of the service, and get back to doing the real web-work for billable hours for my clients (making money) or spending time with my son & taking more photos (more valuable than money).
Additionally, my wife just bought more than $60 in photos over iPhoto anyhow... wish we would have waited a couple of days to submit the order & could have taken advantage of this offer. That more than covers the cost of the .Mac upgrade. I'm sure we'll use the 100 photos really soon.
Something I'm not sure about,
but would increase the value of .Mac considerably if possible.
Can you point a separate domain name, i.e. www.dellpcssuck.com, to a .Mac aaccount, as with a regular web host?
but would increase the value of .Mac considerably if possible.
Can you point a separate domain name, i.e. www.dellpcssuck.com, to a .Mac aaccount, as with a regular web host?
How about .Mac user outside US? Do we have a chance for any special treats after paying same amount ?
peterjhill
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Re: Photos?
I don't think so, since when you activate the bonus, it says that only the first tens and hundreds column, of the number of free pictures that you have remaining will show.
examples
pics remaining amount iPhoto show free remaining
76 7
100 10
15 1
I would guess that you will still need to pay for postage for the free pictures.
I think that it is a good deal. I am going to a wedding soon, and will probably pick some of the pictures from it to give the bride and groom as an extra gift.
I don't think so, since when you activate the bonus, it says that only the first tens and hundreds column, of the number of free pictures that you have remaining will show.
examples
pics remaining amount iPhoto show free remaining
76 7
100 10
15 1
I would guess that you will still need to pay for postage for the free pictures.
I think that it is a good deal. I am going to a wedding soon, and will probably pick some of the pictures from it to give the bride and groom as an extra gift.
An observation from the outside
Forgive me for saying so, as I understand Apple originated as a US corporation, but you Americans all seem to be so caught up in your own self importance that you ignore the rest of the world.
Apple is now a global corporation. Heck, a large chunk of its market is non-American, and could be even larger, potentially. Yet Apple refuses to think outside the North American continent other than "bah we'll just charge them even more and give them access to less".
In short, .Mac, like every single apple product, is not worth what you pay for it if you did not live in the US. You would do well to consider this a little more often.
Forgive me for saying so, as I understand Apple originated as a US corporation, but you Americans all seem to be so caught up in your own self importance that you ignore the rest of the world.
Apple is now a global corporation. Heck, a large chunk of its market is non-American, and could be even larger, potentially. Yet Apple refuses to think outside the North American continent other than "bah we'll just charge them even more and give them access to less".
In short, .Mac, like every single apple product, is not worth what you pay for it if you did not live in the US. You would do well to consider this a little more often.