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Nothing new??! I didn't get to see these images before they were pulled, but from what you guys have said, it doesn't sound as if the screenshots showed much about Spotlight at all (just the System Prefs search thing). Spotlight is really the main feature of Tiger, and I'm definitely impressed. :) Tiger's definitely going to be worth it, especially considering that we obviously don't know most of the features of it yet (over 150 is the same number as was said for Panther, so there's obviously going to be a lot of cool new features that we don't know about yet (or that maybe even Apple doesn't; the release is 6 months to a year away). :)

Adam
 
ABassCube said:
over 150 is the same number as was said for Panther, so there's obviously going to be a lot of cool new features that we don't know about yet
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I still can't find #137 in Panther. :)
 
sjk said:
I still can't find #137 in Panther. :)
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LOL. :) Well obviously Apple counts every single tiny enhancement to everything, even though those shouldn't exactly count as new "features."

BTW, I haven't been here in a long time, but what happened to that awesome OS X theme we used to have here?

Adam
 
ABassCube said:
BTW, I haven't been here in a long time, but what happened to that awesome OS X theme we used to have here?
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Forum theme? Probably a casualty of the vBulletin 3.x "upgrade". At least AutoFill+Keychain login with Safari still works here, unlike nearly every vB 3.x forum I visit.
 
Panther is great, Can Tiger really imporve on it

I'm a big fan of Panther, its leaps and bounds beyound the Jaguar and Cheeta.

I find it hard to believe that Tiger can really improve on near perfect project.

After all Konfabulator already does most of the improvements Job's was featuring.

I'll have to wait until i see someone else using it until i upgrade.
 
joe4ska said:
I'm a big fan of Panther, its leaps and bounds beyound the Jaguar and Cheeta.

I find it hard to believe that Tiger can really improve on near perfect project.

After all Konfabulator already does most of the improvements Job's was featuring.

I'll have to wait until i see someone else using it until i upgrade.
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You better believe Joe. Tiger is a huge step up from panther.

Just rattling off the top of my head.

1. Spotlight- will help you find just about anything on your computer. Yes there are apps that search now based on simple indexes but Spotlight goes much deeper in tracking metadata.

2. 64bit- Apps can now be recompiled to take advantage of more than 4GB of RAM.

3. Automator- Want to automate certain tasks on your Mac with ease? No programming required! Even supports OSX Shell scripts. cool

4.Core Image/Video- Ever run iMove or iPhoto and have to wait for images to load or transitions to render. Wish that could be sped up? Well if you have a computer with a newer GPU these CPU munching tasks now happen in real time or close to it.

5 Quartz 2D Extreme. Ever pulled a window only to have it lag behind your mouse. Wish you had that window dragging speed of OS9. Q2D Extreme is going to speed up GUI functions probably by a factor of at least 2x.

6. Resolution Independence- Hey have you ever seen a huge LCD that has a resolution of 1600 x 1200 and all the text and icons were absolutely tiny? Now image if you could simply "scale" the OS to any resolution you want. So, say you're running a 30" monitor at 2500 x 1600 and you notice your text is the size of a gnats nards. Simply just scale the OS up to a level where the icons and text suit you but you still get to reap the benefits of the screens high resolution.

7. Xgrid- It's built in. Every copy of Tiger has xgrid there just waiting for your enabled apps. Want to add and iBook or a Powerbook someday to your Mac collection. Wish you could speed up some apps by having both work on the same project simultaneously? ;)

8. AVC- Did you know Tiger is going to have a new codec that plays High Definition video in the same rate that your DVD plays at albeit at less than 4x the resolution. Don't have a Dual G5 to run the High Def picture..fear not AVC is a codec that scales down to cell phone size. You could still view DVD quality video but the bitrate would only be like 2Mbps.

Cool stuff man and I haven't even got into the geeky stuff like Core Data or support for High Dynamic Range photos. Hell there are over a 100 more features I don't even know about.

Tiger is going to make you get wood when you see what it can do. Just promise not to propose to your Mac. Love has its limits. :p
 
nuckinfutz said:
You better believe Joe. Tiger is a huge step up from panther.

Just rattling off the top of my head.



Wow, reading all that actually made me dribble more than the apple bumf. on their website! Lovely! :eek:
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nuckinfutz said:
Cool stuff man and I haven't even got into the geeky stuff like Core Data or support for High Dynamic Range photos. Hell there are over a 100 more features I don't even know about.

Tiger is going to make you get wood when you see what it can do. Just promise not to propose to your Mac. Love has its limits. :p
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Oh please get into the core data too! please please please! *drool*
 
nuckinfutz said:
1. Spotlight- will help you find just about anything on your computer. Yes there are apps that search now based on simple indexes but Spotlight goes much deeper in tracking metadata.
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This is by far the coolest looking Tiger feature we know about. I think a lot of people are underestimating the implications of this feature. I guess people don't quite get how amazing full metadata indexing/searching is. Oh well, they'll see for themselves soon enough. :)

5 Quartz 2D Extreme. Ever pulled a window only to have it lag behind your mouse. Wish you had that window dragging speed of OS9. Q2D Extreme is going to speed up GUI functions probably by a factor of at least 2x.

6. Resolution Independence- Hey have you ever seen a huge LCD that has a resolution of 1600 x 1200 and all the text and icons were absolutely tiny? Now image if you could simply "scale" the OS to any resolution you want. So, say you're running a 30" monitor at 2500 x 1600 and you notice your text is the size of a gnats nards. Simply just scale the OS up to a level where the icons and text suit you but you still get to reap the benefits of the screens high resolution.
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Interesting I hadn't heard about either of these. Can you post links describing them in more detail?

Cool stuff man and I haven't even got into the geeky stuff like Core Data or support for High Dynamic Range photos. Hell there are over a 100 more features I don't even know about.
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Please talk about this or post links. :)

Adam
 
ABassCube said:
This is by far the coolest looking Tiger feature we know about. I think a lot of people are underestimating the implications of this feature. I guess people don't quite get how amazing full metadata indexing/searching is. Oh well, they'll see for themselves soon enough. :)



Interesting I hadn't heard about either of these. Can you post links describing them in more detail?



Please talk about this or post links. :)

Adam
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It's all under NDA. I can say though that resolution independence is VERY buggy and isn't planned to be turned on for 10.4, Quartz 2D is also definitely a work in progress, but is essentially GPU acceleration for the other half of Quartz (Quartz is the combination of Quartz Compositor and Quartz2D. Quartz Extreme accelerates only Quartz Compositor). Core Data is similar to NeXT's EOF (from what I've heard, I never programmed for NeXT). Basically it is to the model what bindings are to the controller, and (sorta) what interface builder is to the view. If you don't know what that means, you'll probably never use Core Data.
 
wow...so now we won't have to run Windows to be able to see the menus at 1600x1200? about time. We can scale the dock size but not the menu font sizes...how messed up is that?
 
partly true:

-the UI is MUCH faster,almost 20%
all OS apps like Safari,Mail.... start within one bounce

-iDisk finally works fast and doesn´t slow down the finder as before

-stealth mode is perfect

-spotlight isn´t perfect yet,since it doesn´t option hidden files ;-((

-it isn´t buggy at all.I run it since WWDC and only had two crashes yet.
Sometimes it takes three attempts to disconnect an external drive.IMHO
that´s minor.Even Safari 2.0 is stable and faster than 10.3.5 one.
 

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genehack said:
partly true:

-the UI is MUCH faster,almost 20%
all OS apps like Safari,Mail.... start within one bounce

-iDisk finally works fast and doesn´t slow down the finder as before

-stealth mode is perfect

-spotlight isn´t perfect yet,since it doesn´t option hidden files ;-((

-it isn´t buggy at all.I run it since WWDC and only had two crashes yet.
Sometimes it takes three attempts to disconnect an external drive.IMHO
that´s minor.Even Safari 2.0 is stable and faster than 10.3.5 one.
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I must admit, i've been fairly blown away by the Tiger preview. Like genehack mentions, it really does seem very stable for such an early release, and the searching indexing is almost freaky! And the dashbord does look as though it will eliminate the need for having address book/calculator icons hogging up the dock.

Finder does also seem much more responsive. Even Safari seems better that the current Panther version! Having the ability to search bookmarks is a winner from my point of view, and the private browsing function is perfect for those couples out there. If i aquire the urge to visit a porn site (heaven forbid) I now don't have to keep clearing my history before my wife checks the computer. lol
 
We need Tiger becasue apple are making 64bit comps but they dont have an OS that utilizes it fully, when tiger comes we can use the new and great features of 64bit :rolleyes:
 
Platform said:
We need Tiger because apple are making 64bit comps but they don't have an OS that utilizes it fully, when tiger comes we can use the new and great features of 64bit :rolleyes:
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My understanding that Tiger still won't completely use 64bit. The majority of Mac's still aren't G5 yet. Tiger will move us closer to that reality. It will be important also for developers to utilize 64bit technology.
 
Tiger is not a true 64-bit os, it just has hooks so 64-bit apps can address more memory. It lets apps that need the memory to use beyond what they can in panther, but the system itself is still 32-bit for G3 and G4 compatibility.

Its not really a big deal whether its 64-bit or not. We've all been trained by Nintendo and Sony that 32, 64, 128 bits is better. In the videogame world, yes it is. In MacLand, not as much. Not very many of us are really hitting that 32-bit ceiling just yet, and its a waste of development time to have apple build a compleatly 64-bit OS that the majority of their users cannot run, and that doesn't benefit most of the one who can. Mac OS will be 64-bit when it needs to be.

The other features of Tiger are much more exciting to me - Spotlight, Automater, Safari 2, and the metadata enhanced system ( I love Smart Folders!). Apple is building one hell of a platform to develop for here. Look for some awesome 3rd party apps to steal the show after Tiger is released, because I have a feeling its going to open some floodgates on creativity.

Just my 2 cents.
 
mox358 said:
Tiger is not a true 64-bit os, it just has hooks so 64-bit apps can address more memory. It lets apps that need the memory to use beyond what they can in panther, but the system itself is still 32-bit for G3 and G4 compatibility.

Its not really a big deal whether its 64-bit or not. We've all been trained by Nintendo and Sony that 32, 64, 128 bits is better. In the videogame world, yes it is. In MacLand, not as much. Not very many of us are really hitting that 32-bit ceiling just yet, and its a waste of development time to have apple build a compleatly 64-bit OS that the majority of their users cannot run, and that doesn't benefit most of the one who can. Mac OS will be 64-bit when it needs to be.

The other features of Tiger are much more exciting to me - Spotlight, Automater, Safari 2, and the metadata enhanced system ( I love Smart Folders!). Apple is building one hell of a platform to develop for here. Look for some awesome 3rd party apps to steal the show after Tiger is released, because I have a feeling its going to open some floodgates on creativity.

Just my 2 cents.
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Hear hear...

But what does make a "true" 64-bit OS? Would you say "true" means "only"? Because I get the feeling that Tiger, whlist being what you would define as a 32-bit OS with a 64-bit "emulator", I would just say that that surely is a 64-bit OS. If it can do the 64-bit stuff as well as a pure 64-bit OS then surely it is one?

(Just a question ;))

Hob
 
For those wondering what Pipeline is:

It's a visual drag and drop program to create AppleScript (and maybe shell scripts?) scripts. You'll now be able to make a little app that does things like renaming a bunch of MP3s or resizing photos. Since many apps (like Photoshop, iLife) support AppleScript, this should be very usable with most popular Mac apps.

It will mainly be used to make batch operations easier.
 
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