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Can anyone confirm the rumor that Apple has removed the OPTION key from all new Mac Pro machines?
I guess Options are a sensitive subject in Cupertino these days.

Yes, Steve did look rather gaunt at yesterday's keynote. But bear two things in mind:
1. He is a recovering pancreatic cancer victim.
2. He is either a vegan or vegetarian.

Steve did seem to rely upon his exec staff more than in the past, but it did give us the opportunity to size them up a bit. A few observations...

1. Phil Schiller looks as though he could hold his own in a Sumo wrestling bout with Steve Ballmer.

2. Bertrand sounded as though he was auditioning for the Inspector Clouseau part in The Pink Panther.

3. Scott Forrestall appeared to be aping Steve Jobs' gestures, mannerisms and speech patterns. Is he the anointed one? Is he being groomed as Jobs' successor? If it happens, you read it here first.

Like most of Wall Street and the world, I hope that neither illness nor executive shuffling prevent Steve from helming Apple for many decades to come.
 
chiamon said:
it does not even make sense to put a phone there, since when can phones do RSS? Its just really fishy tt it is placed alongside the ipod and itunes.

Many phones are capable, they can use 3rd party apps etc, but new phones such as the Sony Ericsson K800 has a built in RSS reader!

As for the phone in the picture, it looks like a Sony ERicsosn K608 or someting along those lines....not a very good phone, so lets hope Apple doesnt use that as a bas to model the iPhone on...lol

Cheers
 
sam10685 said:
*snip* Time Machine sounds like the utility in windose xp called systen restore and Spaces sounds like Exposé.

Time Machine seems more like the Shadow Copies on Server 2003, only on a local level rather than a network drive. (example attached)

I'm assuming they will use a form of Single Instance Storage with TM, so you have one copy of the file and only the deltas from any changes to reduce space requirements.
 
joeboy_45101 said:
The one thing to remember is that this is a Developer's Conference so there is not going to be a lot of pizazz with flashy announcements. There was not a whole lot of new mind-blowing things announced so he could have been a little bit bored with it.


Bored with such trivial things as THE OPERATING SYSTEM that runs his entire corporation! I highly doubt that's the case.
 
motulist said:
I find it weird that you get a remote control and front row...Many people buying Mac Pros are getting them as their home computer, and it's pretty lame that you drop extra money on the high end and can't do some of the really cool things that can be done on a lower end model.

Hi,

You've raised some good points.

However, many of the people buying Mac Pros are in the creative services industry (film, graphic design, audio engineering). I don't know how processor hungry remote control and front row are, but I do know these users require the most power out of their machines.

Having said that, with ever faster machines, I see no reason for them not to include these two programs in the "complete Leopard package" in 2007 for all Macs sold.

My 2 cents worth. ;)

Regards, filmguy
 
loebjack said:
Someone just pointed out that the Mac Pro logic board has two SATA drive ports marked as ODD SATA. We think it is for an Optical Disc Drive SATA connection. Blu-ray perhaps?

http://www.powermax.com/articles_reviews/article.php?id=33

Look at the "Fans removed!" picture in the uper left
Those are the 2 SATA ports on the 5000 chipset that Apple didn't use (there are 6 SATA ports.)

Apple notes them as future expansion...
In addition, the Mac Pro has two unpopulated 3 Gbps SATA buses for expansion.
Since they have a connector use a PCIe cover plate and convert them to external use if you so wish.
 
Those are the 2 SATA ports on the 5000x chipset that Apple didn't use (there are 6 SATA ports.)

So what is the bus for the Superdrive? Is it the old Parallel ATA with the ribbon cable?
 
JoshRtek said:
So what is the bus for the Superdrive? Is it the old Parallel ATA with the ribbon cable?
Yes the chipset has PATA for optical right now, they also show the two unused SATA over by the Optical drive -- but use them for whatever if they are there.

Doesn't mean Apple won't switch and make use of them for optical if there is need.

060634001312_01.jpg
 
Yes the chipset has PATA for optical right now.

Awesome! So this means I can use my Plextor 16x burner in the second optical bay? Or will that not work with an Apple?
 
filmguy said:
... I don't know how processor hungry remote control and front row are, but I do know these users require the most power out of their machines...

The remote and Front Row use essentially no system resources when they are not in use. So they do not take away any processor power or anything else when people are working on power hungry projects. So that's not the reason they were omitted.

So far the best answer I've heard is that the tower will often be under a desk where the remote wouldn't work because it needs a line of sight, but that still doesn't explain why they don't allow it as a custom option.
 
Graphics card

Anyone knows if the mac pro allows us to upgrade to PCI graphics cards bought from retail stores? Will there be any driver issues? Do graphics card vendors include Mac drivers on their installation disc? Never seen one that does though..
Thx for answering.
 
Toast 7 Supports Almost All Opticals

JoshRtek said:
Awesome! So this means I can use my Plextor 16x burner in the second optical bay? Or will that not work with an Apple?
Didn't I tell you yes yesterday? Just buy a copy of Toast 7 for full support. You can also run multiple copioes of Taost 7 on one Mac. I run up to 4 or 5 simultaneously sometimes on my Quad G5 writing DVD Images to multiple HDs.
 
Oh Man You Can Put 6 SIX 6 SATA Drives Inside For A Total Of 4.5 TB Inside

Sun Baked said:
Yes the chipset has PATA for optical right now, they also show the two unused SATA over by the Optical drive -- but use them for whatever if they are there.

Doesn't mean Apple won't switch and make use of them for optical if there is need.

060634001312_01.jpg
Wow. Where did you find this schmatic? This means you can alternately run your opticals external on a FW bus outside and put two more SATA Drives inside the "optical is optional" bays for a total of 4.5 TB possible inside (6 x 750GB). Fantastic and Awesome!!

Make them all 400GB @$100 each and you can have 2.4 TB inside for $600.

You can have your system stuff running on one of those with a second for scratch - video - then have 4 removables under the shelf for different clients. KILLER for Client management. This is incredible. I am really getting crazy excited about the new Mac Pro's design. :eek:

Also just went over all the Leopard previews today and am now getting a Jones for Leopard's new features big time. Now for the 8 or 9 month wait. Wow. :eek:
 
Video Cards Are A Big Problem With Macs

chiamon said:
Anyone knows if the mac pro allows us to upgrade to PCI graphics cards bought from retail stores? Will there be any driver issues? Do graphics card vendors include Mac drivers on their installation disc? Never seen one that does though..
Thx for answering.
No there are not Mac drivers for cards that aren't Mac specific. So we are always in the dog house when it comes to video cards. It's tragic. :( I don't know if being on an Intel motherboard will help or not. Anyone know?
 
Multimedia said:
Wow. Where did you find this schmatic?
Usually it is in the Developer Notes ... we usually look at these to see what Apple is really doing with machines.

Mac Pro Developer Note

Then the are the usual DIY pictures of the machine at...

Mac Pro Support link

Until the picture showing the "unpopulated" SATA connector was actually "unused" we were wondering about the 6 SATA ports. But yes, the 2 extra SATA ports mean a lot more options than people first thought.
 
Zargot said:
Time Machine seems more like the Shadow Copies on Server 2003, only on a local level rather than a network drive. (example attached)

I'm assuming they will use a form of Single Instance Storage with TM, so you have one copy of the file and only the deltas from any changes to reduce space requirements.

I think the actual automated backing up of stuff has been aound for years. Its the way Apple does it that makes it great. I mean cmon. Look at the screen shot you posted and then time machine! :D
 
Didn't I tell you yes yesterday? Just buy a copy of Toast 7 for full support. You can also run multiple copioes of Taost 7 on one Mac. I run up to 4 or 5 simultaneously sometimes on my Quad G5 writing DVD Images to multiple HDs.

Well, I think you said "maybe," but it's all good now. I will put the Plextor DVD-RW Drive in the bottom bay. Question though, I have Toast 7 for Power PC, but will it work alright under rosetta, or do I have to buy a Universal Binary?
 
Shawdow Copies

Zargot said:
Time Machine seems more like the Shadow Copies on Server 2003, only on a local level rather than a network drive. (example attached)

I'm assuming they will use a form of Single Instance Storage with TM, so you have one copy of the file and only the deltas from any changes to reduce space requirements.

I use Shadow Copies on our network all the time, it is very handy. The concept and implementation of Time Machine is not original. Apple simply slapped Eye Candy on it and raved about how it is a revolution.

Outside of my company's network, which has tons of server space, I don't know if I would want Time Machine to automatically make backups. Guess I am just old school and prefer to manually make backups. That way I am maximizing my personal hardrive space.
 
spicyapple said:
This was a good WWDC. :D Quad Xeons... what I was hoping for since 2004!

When Phil announced the MacPro and the Xeon chip he stressed on an amazing performance per watt ratio. That sounded a lot like Steve introducing the MacBook Pro and iMac with the first Intel chips. At the time the performance per watt ratio was an important criteria for battery life on notebooks, which is apparently why the PowerBook never got a G5.

With the Xeons high perf/watt, should we be expecting them to be fitted in later MacBook and MacBook Pros?
 
Toast 7.1 Is Universal Binary

JoshRtek said:
Well, I think you said "maybe," but it's all good now. I will put the Plextor DVD-RW Drive in the bottom bay. Question though, I have Toast 7 for Power PC, but will it work alright under rosetta, or do I have to buy a Universal Binary?
No I most certainly did not say "maybe". I said "definitely". The Toast 7.1 update is UB. It's FREE.
 
Mobiles Will Get Merom • Woodcrest Are Not For Mobiles.

maxdet said:
When Phil announced the MacPro and the Xeon chip he stressed on an amazing performance per watt ratio. That sounded a lot like Steve introducing the MacBook Pro and iMac with the first Intel chips. At the time the performance per watt ratio was an important criteria for battery life on notebooks, which is apparently why the PowerBook never got a G5.

With the Xeons high perf/watt, should we be expecting them to be fitted in later MacBook and MacBook Pros?
No. Mobiles get Merom processors which are made to get maximum performance on the go.
 
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