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briansolomon said:
Does anyone else find it strange/ridiculous that AirPort Express and Bluetooth come standard on every system except the high end Mac Pro?
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I do. But I'm sure someone will tell us that we are idiots for thinking so and why it is sooo obvious why they don't include them. My guess is they will use loads of acronyms ;)
 
dashiel said:
a) apple did the exact same thing with OS X. aqua was kept under wraps for a long, long time from the general public and public developers. up until maybe a year before hand we all though OS X was going to look like OS 9.

b) if you work with big software makers you'll know that top tier developers get access to things that aren't made publicly available months and years in advance. the last alpha/beta cycle i participated in started one month after the latest release (and i was on the second invite list).



a) see above regarding developers. just because we didn't see it in the keynote doesn't mean that the developers haven't

b) app developers don't really integrate with the finder.

c) tiger represented a big shift in OS X development. apple publicly stated that their APIs, previously a moving target, were basically being locked down. what that means is developers don't have to worry (as much) about under the hood changes. if the file browser dialog changes dramatically between now and next spring developers should theoretically have to do nothing, their function/method calls are just calls.
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You hit a lot of points here that I chose not to present. You are correct.
a) The OS X preview UI was definitely a surprise, that's for sure.
b) Very true.
a) True, but I think this only applies to the "top tier" developers, as you suggest. (Adobe, for example)
b) Exactly! Other than visually... (Which it's easy to skin your app to match (see Uno))
c) If this is true (which I could understand, but have no evidence of) are you suggesting Apple laid the groundwork for a UI overhaul in Tiger and didn't apply it?
 
enda1 said:
I do. But I'm sure someone will tell us that we are idiots for thinking so and why it is sooo obvious why they don't include them. My guess is they will use loads of acronyms ;)
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Well the GBT Standard Methodology of Computer Hardware End-User Inclusions (GBT-SMCHEUI, for short) indicates that any machine weighing over 9.732 lbs. Must not, under the authority of the GBT-SMCHEUI, include the hardware in question, under penalty of law. Duh.

:D

Acually, I'm a bit surprised myself. I mean, they're not going to gain a huge amount of profit by charging people for it. Oh well, my guess in Rev. B it'll be included.
 
I can offer a reason as to why some Mac Pro models don't have BT or Airport Extreme, a great deal of the corporate market don't want their machines to be equipped with them.

The company I work for will not purchase any machine with Bluetooth as it represents a risk to our highly confidential data. We could not allow a security vulnerability in a Bluetooth stack to allow security to be compormised or indeed just a rogue employee using BT to transfer data to a cell phone or other device.

Same goes for WiFi, although for some reason we don't see that as being that high a threat (Hey I don't make the rules I just have to follow them!)

This could be why the top end model is sans Bluetooth and WiFi, to keep the Corporate market sweet.

Just my 2 cents anyways:D
 
Squire said:
Several members have voiced their disapproval over the Mac Pro's exclusion of Front Row and Photo Booth. However, Jobs did say that 10.5 would include "the complete package." He then went on to say that Boot Camp, Front Row, and Photo Booth would be included in the OS. So my question is this: How will one use Front Row on the new Mac Pro?

-Squire
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There are five possibilities, in order of (to my mind) decreasing likelihood:

1. New displays will come out by then with both IR and iSight
2. A new iSight will come out by then with built-in IR
3. A little USB device providing IR will become available.
4. A slight update to the Mac Pro will come out by then incorporating IR; PhotoBooth will require the iSight.
5. It won't work on Mac Pro.

EDIT: Missed mwswami's earlier post with some similar comments. Sorry.
 
DJS1234 said:
I can offer a reason as to why some Mac Pro models don't have BT or Airport Extreme, a great deal of the corporate market don't want their machines to be equipped with them.

The company I work for will not purchase any machine with Bluetooth as it represents a risk to our highly confidential data. We could not allow a security vulnerability in a Bluetooth stack to allow security to be compormised or indeed just a rogue employee using BT to transfer data to a cell phone or other device.

Same goes for WiFi, although for some reason we don't see that as being that high a threat (Hey I don't make the rules I just have to follow them!)

This could be why the top end model is sans Bluetooth and WiFi, to keep the Corporate market sweet.

Just my 2 cents anyways:D
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I've worked with several companies in this same situation.

It's the same reason I doubt we'll see Cinema Displays with built-in iSights.
 
nagromme said:
Very similar external case, but the insides are totally new and different--so I think we'll see this case design for quite a while to come. That answers that, you can stop waiting for a new design :)

Lots of great attention to detail--like the way the drive-holders are numbered in case you take more than one out and forget where they came from.

I still wonder where the Airport and Bluetooth antennas are.
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The new internal layout of the Mac Pro is ultra-wicked...

Couldn't agree with you more. It seems even if they bring new displays to Paris in Sept they will have the same basic design cues. Which also means that any design update to the macbook pro will be pretty subtle as well. Apple's Pro line-up is destined to carry the same design and silvery/slightly champagne-ish anodized look for quite some time in the future. Why fix something that's not broken?
 
Continuing On...

Continuing On...

The Register had a good article that reflects how I feel:

Whatever happened to... Mac OS X Leopard?

I don't like the Microsoft bashing either...it's just something that gets to me. Microsoft bashing is a waste of energy. Who cares what company did what first, as a consumer I don't care about originality. Just give me something that works. Whatever company can implement the idea the best to provide a benefit to ME, gets my business. Just shut up and innovate (like Apple has been doing), the products will speak for themselves.

I don't see iTunes making any references to Windows Media Player in their advertising. They don't have to. That's what is great about being No 1, you really don't care that much about who is below you making noise. I just wish that same mentality was applied to the OS.
 
mdntcallr said:
My bet is on Macbook pro update. with merom processor. maybe even a new form.
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Jobs was referring to third-party software announcements. He would have mentioned something big like an MBP update in the keynote.
 
ArizonaKid said:
I don't like the Microsoft bashing either...it's just something that gets to me. Microsoft bashing is a waste of energy. Who cares what company did what first, as a consumer I don't care about originality. Just give me something that works. Whatever company can implement the idea the best to provide a benefit to ME, gets my business. Just shut up and innovate (like Apple has been doing), the products will speak for themselves.
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I agree totally. If anything all the bashing makes Apple (and its fans) seem insecure. Just deliver the goods and let the marketshare speak for itself. (Plus the mightier-than-thou attitude alienates PC users and makes them think twice about joining "the cult".)
 
Zadillo said:
Did you stop to think for just a second that Apple is not showing the new Finder yet, and that the Finder included with Leopard right now is the Tiger one?

-Zadillo
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I have the same speculation that Apple will overhaul the Finder; however, it would have been nice to have an updated GUI (with no brushed metal) simply for consistency in the preview.

...part of that speculation is hope. Windows Vista's Explorer is nice. It is so easy to navigate folders, and it looks amazing. I really hope the Finder gets a past due overhaul.
 
I was quite bummed out about no core 2 duo announcement. Can anybody tell me which, if any, pc companies are shipping with core 2 duo yet? Is this possibly going to be a silent release, and is it perhaps still happening in August or are we in for another long wait? :confused:
 
dbit said:
I was quite bummed out about no core 2 duo announcement. Can anybody tell me which, if any, pc companies are shipping with core 2 duo yet? Is this possibly going to be a silent release, and is it perhaps still happening in August or are we in for another long wait? :confused:
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For the Desktop
LINK TO CORE 2 DUO DESKTOPS

Add: I checked Dell, and their ship date for a Core 2 Duo System is August 12
 
Secret feature?

Did you notice that their were two cameras attached to the Mac screen?

Is this be the beginning of 3D iChat, photos and movies?
 
Solver said:
Did you notice that their were two cameras attached to the Mac screen?

Is this be the beginning of 3D iChat, photos and movies?
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No. They had two demo systems with matching configurations so if one failed they could switch to the other with a touch of a button. ...in other words one iSight for each demo system they had setup.
 
tyler999 said:
The video of the wireless mac hack has finally been made publically available on Kaneva:

http://www.kaneva.com/asset/8469.storeItem

Just in time for developcon...
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That was actually a hack of a wireless USB card, not a hack of the Mac itself; the Mac was just used for publicity. The hack only works with this wireless USB card, not with the built-in wireless. The news stories attached to this stunt were quite misleading...

Plugging a wireless USB card into any computer is just like handing a hacker your keyboard, the computer handles it just like any other input device. So, if you handed a hacker your keyboard and didn't encrypt and password protect your files, would you expect the OS to protect them?
 
MacinDoc said:
That was actually a hack of a wireless USB card, not a hack of the Mac itself; the Mac was just used for publicity. The hack only works with this wireless USB card, not with the built-in wireless. The news stories attached to this stunt were quite misleading...

Plugging a wireless USB card into any computer is just like handing a hacker your keyboard, the computer handles it just like any other input device. So, if you handed a hacker your keyboard and didn't encrypt and password protect your files, would you expect the OS to protect them?
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Also if im not mistaken, the guy actually had to use the mac to get connected to the PC so really its showing us shitall!
 
dbit said:
Ah. I'm drooling for the Merom. Anybody know if it's just not ready yet?
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Why do 'top of the range' PCs all look like they are designed and built by kids using Lego and LEDs?
 
Heatsink Only Video Card? TWO Display Adapters?

loebjack said:
I just received my Mac Pro and started opening it up to see how it was put together. I wanted to know what parts Apple used. A Sony super drive and a Seagate SATA hard drive. I am adding pictures as I take them. More than what I posted before.

http://digg.com/apple/More_Take_apart_pictures_of_the_Mac_Pro
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Thanks.

Looks like TWO display adapters instead of the usual ONE. Can you tells us what each are please?
 
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