More on iPod Updates

arn

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Mac OS Rumors chimes in with their own rumors regarding updated iPods in the following months:

If realized, the new iPod lineup would be something like this: $499 CD-RW Ultra-iPod w/10GB hard drive, $399 iPod w/10GB hard drive (and possibly another extra feature or two -- maybe enhanced headphones or Apple Pro Speakers), $299 iPod w/5GB hard drive.

Previously, there had been rumors that the iPod OS was capable of CD-R burning...
 

AlphaTech

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There goes the form factor. Unless they allow the iPod to connect directly to a Firewire burner that is (not likely).

I would say about 90% of the people that I have shown my iPod to are surprised at the size of it, along with what it can hold in that little package. Goes to show, size doesn't matter, it's what you do with it.... :D ROTFLMAO!!!

PEACE!!!!!!!
 

ilikeiBook

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Pro Speakers would be nice if more than 1 person wanted to listen...
A CDRW drive would be great, rip and burn CD's without turning on your mac!
Definatly bigger hard drives though, just think! The new 20GB iPod, 4,000 songs in your pocket!
 

AlphaTech

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Pro speakers are easy... get a good set and just plug your pod into them. Sample your songs at 160-192 and you will be blowing the roof off the place :D.

The iPod ROCKS!!

Apple gets the 'way to go' award for this one... how many does that make?????
 

arn

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yeah - the ipod in it's current form is pretty aweome...

I'm not sure how useful plugging an iPod into a firewire CD-R directly and burning CD's would be....

but it would certainly be interesting... :)

arn
 

AlphaTech

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life before the pod...

Before I got my iPod I had another mp3 player. It has been sitting inside the desk for over a year now. The sound qality wasn't all that good, unless I sacrificed song count to get it better. Also, the headphone jack was tricky. You had to put them in just right to get the sound anything close to good.

With the iPod, that has all changed. I am now using it everywhere. I am even pulling some songs off the net (never did that before tonight) so that I have them in my iPod. I am planning on getting the full cd's that contain the songs. It will be much easier to explain what I want to the people at the store if I let them listen to one song from the cd. Maybe I will even make a few converts there :D..
 

davidc2182

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ripping!

I know apple said there is no way of getting ur mp3s off an ipod once you put them on it, however i'm sure someone has developed a hack or program that would give you full access to the ipod's directory and such in order to retrieve the songs so if someone could reply with a link to some info like this i would greatly appreciate it !
 

AlphaTech

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Re: ripping!

Originally posted by davidc2182
I know apple said there is no way of getting ur mp3s off an ipod once you put them on it, however i'm sure someone has developed a hack or program that would give you full access to the ipod's directory and such in order to retrieve the songs so if someone could reply with a link to some info like this i would greatly appreciate it !
Do a search at www.versiontracker.com. I believe they had a utility that makes all the songs visible there. That way you can pull them off as you want.

An easier way though, is to just modify your play lists within iTunes. Sine the iPod sync's with it, when you change the list in iTunes it gets done to the iPod.

You can always move the songs to another location on your hard drive if you want to keep them, put them onto a cd, or even another hard drive (internal or external).

Happy podding...
 

davidc2182

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actually my whole problem was that i didnt know you couldnt pull the songs off after i put them on there, and i deleted the from my ibook to save space. So now my dillema is how to get them back on the mac when i need the ipod for storage, actually i'm thinking of going to kinkos or to an apple store and seeing if they will let me use a superdrive on their computer in order to burn all my mp3z to DVD - R, help please!
 

iapple

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What I want...

is a 10gig plus iPod with a built in mic (high quality) Then, you could record with the iPod, and transferr all your raw data via Firewire at blazing fast speed, even if it is Aiff format etc. A portable music recording studio in your pocket! A color LCD that could store pics and could connect with iPhoto would be nice too... Maybe it could be plugged into a TV with composite video out.

OK, I'm getting carried away here, but since Steve didn't call it iListen, the possibilities seem infinite!
 

MacAztec

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New iPod Updates...

I am pretty sure we will see something like this....

An iPod with Firewire, USB 2.0, and 10G HD. It will not be capable of recording CDs, because every Apple Item can do that. It will have sound out ports to hook up you iPod to your stereo and play your music.
 

AlphaTech

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Re: New iPod Updates...

Originally posted by Mac_User
I am pretty sure we will see something like this....

An iPod with Firewire, USB 2.0, and 10G HD. It will not be capable of recording CDs, because every Apple Item can do that. It will have sound out ports to hook up you iPod to your stereo and play your music.
I would say FireWire 2.0, and zero USB. You already can connect it to your home stereo with a cable from either radio shack or someplace like Cambridge Soundworks. I picked up a headphone to left/right RCA adapter for a few dollars back when I got my first PowerBook G3 with the dvd player so that I could output to a vcr in stero sound. You can use the same item on your iPod.
 

Xapplimatic

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Originally posted by whfsdude
now why would they put in a CD-RW it makes no sense because all the new macs have them.
The post was misread.. They mean that it will connect directly and can burn using an external firewire drive.. and it does make sense because not everybody wants to drag their computer, but they could drag a firewire CDRW out into the field.. some of them are darn small now.. hmm.. buspowered??
THERE WILL NOT BE A BURNER -IN- THE IPOD.. the whole Steveness of it says it will remain small as it is.
 

sjs

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xapplimatic, you are exactly right about the current form factor. It is beautiful and elegant. If it gets bigger than pocket size its not the iPod and I won't buy one.

Please educate me: how could I get photos off my digital camera into an iPod? Firewire...USB?
Is there any reason this couldn't be included in an upcoming revision?
 

Mike Ball

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;) It seems to me Archos is ahead of the game at the moment. 20GB hard drives, USB 2.0 which I think is about as fast as firewire and the crucial difference - you can record with the inbuilt microphone or plug a microphone into it. The as yet unreleased multimedia centre I believe might be able to do even more.

To me it's the sound recording they left out of ipod that really makes it less useful than it could be. Dictaphone use, in schools portably recording children and then downloading sound files to flash for online presentations are two examples as a teacher I would find really useful. Digital hub, recording sound via a microphone is something they seem to have forgotten about. Archos is the one for me at present.
 

Biggles

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Right now the iPod is too expensive for me. If the current form dropped to $299, i'd be very very interested though. However, what I would truly like to see in the "iPod+" is a color LCD, a 10 gb HD, and quicktime installed into the OS. That way I could carry nice, small copies of a movie of two on my iPod. And maybe I could still fit a few songs too. if this could sell for $449...o god it would be awesome.

An FM tuner and a microphone are great ideas too.
 

Taft

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Burning?

I have doubts about the iPod's capability to burn CDs. First, does the iPod beefy enough processor to stream the data bits to a CD recorder? If so, how fast could you burn.

Second, what would be the real benefit of having this capability in the iPod. The iPod must be connected to a Mac to make it useful and I think just about all of the Macs currently being sold have CD burners. Do people really need to burn CD's on the go? What would you use this for? The only thing I can think of is burning CD's for your friends (stealing). Anything else I can accomplish with an adaptor or something (tape drive adapter, radio broadcasting adapter, 1/8" jack cord).

Maybe I'm just not a visionary...

Matthew
 

IndyGopher

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No, I don't think it's a lack of vision.. I think you're exactly right. The main use for an iPod that can burn CD's is to pirate music. Other uses would be as a CD-r for people with iMac DV's with DVD or CD drives, or people with B&W G3's or early G4's that had CD or DVD drives. (Powerbook G4 rev A's as well) but I find it hard to believe that anyone who has one of these machines (I have 2 that fall into this list) who has a want or need for a CD burner hasn't bought one yet. For a LOT less than the proposed cost of an iPod with CD-R.
 

AlphaTech

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Originally posted by IndyGopher
No, I don't think it's a lack of vision.. I think you're exactly right. The main use for an iPod that can burn CD's is to pirate music. Other uses would be as a CD-r for people with iMac DV's with DVD or CD drives, or people with B&W G3's or early G4's that had CD or DVD drives. (Powerbook G4 rev A's as well) but I find it hard to believe that anyone who has one of these machines (I have 2 that fall into this list) who has a want or need for a CD burner hasn't bought one yet. For a LOT less than the proposed cost of an iPod with CD-R.
Right on target. I have the rev. a TiBook and picked up a new burner recently (had one that I sold so that I could get the new one). If I want to burn cd's I will use the computer along with Toast to do it. Connecting a burner to an iPod is just silly, unless you are chaining them since we only have the one firewire port on the G4 powerbook.
 

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Bah Humbug! Up the HD capacity, and add the rest as optional firewire add-ons. You all thought $399 was too much? Wait 'till they add an FM tuner, microphone(which will need an encoder), burner app, color screen, etc. What do you think that will cost? Apple should add software improvements and the new larger capacity drive if they can do it for the same price. Remember what everyone was bitching about when it came out? price.
 

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i think the most realistic new features are firewire2, a bigger drive, and a mic.

if the ipod can burn it would be too slow to make it useful. and apple has really been careful to avoid being seen as advocating piracy.

a color screen teamed up with quicktime would be nice for me but i dont think it would be widely useful until digital cameras and digital camcorders use firewire as standard. those of us who find it currently useful are probably wanting to view pirated videos which are not as wide spread as mp3s and require some serious bandwidth to collect. besides this is currently illegal and apple has tried to avoid being associated with piracy (although it seems clear apple is on our side). until the laws become rationalized (which might be never) no movies on your ipod.

if you want to use the ipod to store digital photos then you need a usb port (unless there is a usb to firewire adapter) since nearly all digital cameras are usb. i dont think we want another port on the ipod. so until we get firewire cameras i think iphoto capability is unlikley.

sorry to be a voice of reason here, but apple is just too far ahead of the rest of the market to make most of these ideas useful. until the rest of the world catches on all apple can deliver is a bigger drive and a mic.
 

AlphaTech

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I think I saw a firewire device that you can put some of the digital media into. Maybe use that, if your camera uses the correct type that is, and just plug it into the iPod. Apple could put something in one of the updates that would allow for viewing the image formats used by digital cameras. I don't know how much power is required by that device, but it is bus powered and I supposed there could be a way to slide the files to the iPod in a future software update.

That wouldn't promote movie pirating, just another way to use your iPod. On the road shooting a ton of digital pictures, store them on your iPod and keep on going. I think people would love that, since they wouldn't need to get the huge media sizes anymore, just the iPod. When they get back to their laptop, or home Mac, they could then download them to the computer and play with them.

I think that would be a great update (software mostly) :D
 

AmbitiousLemon

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Alpha: my point was that cameras are nearly all usb now. ive never even heard of a firewire camera. so there would have to be a usb to firewire adapter in order to use it with an ipod and this is less than elegant. also we could add a usb port to the ipod but that would be difficult to fit in and would also be something less than elegant. until they make digital cameras with firewire as the standard apple will not support iphoto on the ipod (there just no way of easily getting your photos onto the ipod).

since we cant ue it for photos until the digi cam boys get their act together the only use we would have for a color screen and quicktime would be to view pirated movies and tv shows we captured. this is not mainstream is illegal and would not be supported by apple unless lots of people had these types of files.

im not saying it wouldnt be nice to use my ipod to store tons of photos (i can only take 10 photos using my 128mb chip!), im saying if i cant connect my camera to it then who cares if it has iphoto capabilities.