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[joeboy_45101]

I think IBM needs to hire some people that are as smart as those at AMD and Intel.

PS. Why is MR so slow today? Is Arn playing Doom 3 on the server?

I still say Apple should have made some kind of partnership with AMD instead of IBM. Don't get me wrong, the G5 is a powerful processor but I think AMD would have been able to produce faster and more reliable chips. Oh, and to those of you who are going to bite my head off for this and shout and scream that AMD only makes x86 processors, you are ignorant. There is no reason why AMD couldn't make a suitable POWER processor, IBM is really a bad partner on this since Apple represents such a small slice of business to them. But, AMD is still the underdog and I believe that being the underdog would propel them to make a superb processor.

 

[DaveP]

Though if there was a large price drop that could definitely put a positive spin on things.

 

[Lancetx]

<Rant on> With all of this crying over this "pathetic" update, I must say that I still have yet to meet a true graphics or video professional that has difficulty getting their real work done on what Apple offers hardware wise today. Bragging rights over who's "GHz" is bigger aside, what Apple offers today is more than powerful enough to get real world professional work done no matter what any of the whiners may say or think... <Rant off>

 

[wymer100]

I guess this explains why Apple is only going to breakdown their quarterly sales numbers in terms of desktop and laptop. They had to know that their powermac numbers were going to be pathetic after this next revision. I guess we'll just have to see what happens. TS is one of the better sites for predicting hardware revisions, but they have been wrong in the past. Here's to keeping our fingers crossed.

 

[macphisto]

Nothing New

In fact, if ts is right, nothing is new. Apple is just dropped the 2.5 (to keep from shortages), rebranded it as the 2.7, when it is actually a 2.5 overclocked.

 

[50548]

Pathetic!

I actually feel like swearing! If this is true, how does it relate to Steve standing on stage in 2003 and bragging about 3Ghz machines in 2004? He may well be 2 years late in his prediction!

I've put off buying for over a year already, and now this pathetic revision!

Apple need to get off concentrating on consumer lines (iPod, Mini) and supply it's loyal pro users with machines that they want and need.

****! There, I've said it!

Ditto. If that's the truth, Apple stocks will go down the drain...and if IBM isn't able to deliver, let's just kick the bucket and join the likes of Intel or AMD...utterly (and disappointingly) amazing...

I just hope that it's Apple Disinformation Dept. working well again...I sure hope so...anything else is an unjustifiable crap.

 

[Bear]

Apple should just dump the G5/970Fx or 970MP or whatever, and just go directly to using the Power5s.

Two issues with this, both major - the first is the Power5 is an expensive chip and the second is the Power series has no Altivec (or equiv) - that would break a lot of software optimized for G4/G5 w/Altivec.

 

[Bear]

In fact, if ts is right, nothing is new. Apple is just dropped the 2.5 (to keep from shortages), rebranded it as the 2.7, when it is actually a 2.5 overclocked.

Apple does not sell overclocked processors. If Apple is selling a processor at X speed, that means the chip manufacturer has tested the chip to that speed.

 

[50548]

Oh, and by the way...APPLE, if ya can't get a G5 right, just pick up some Power5s, goddamn!! Let's make a kickass machine again!! Wake up!

Where are snail ads again??

 

[drewyboy]

just great....

now i have to make one of the biggest decisions of my life.... the updated..if u can call it that powermac... or the powerbook? does anyone know anything more or heard anything about how the freescale dual g4 project is going? also, would the current powerbook handle final cut express? i need something by this fall for school, i've had to do with a piece e-machines this semester but my parents are taking it back home after this. sooo... any advice on which one to get? i'm personally starting to lean into the powerbook unless the powermac is decently upgraded. whichever one i go with.. i need it to last me about 3-4 years.

 

[vouder17]

Has Intel's top chip increased more than 700MHz in the last 2 years? They were either at 3.06GHz or 3.2GHz I believe at the time that the 2GHz G5 was first introduced. So it's not like they're doing any better...

true but Intel is releasing Dual core this month..apple isnt. Apple said taht they would have 3Ghz by last year..and now we are reaching...2.7Ghz...Meh

 

[auxplage]

2.3 ghz

I wonder if the 2.3ghz model is going to be liquid cooled. I do not think that it will.

 

[Kirkmedia]

They've got nothing

It's a bitter pill to swallow, but Apple will obviuosly have nothing great
to wow pro users in 2005. Sure they have great software, but there's nothing
under the hood.

 

[deanbo]

This is pathetic.
I am still hoping there are unreliable sources TS are getting this info from, i understand if the cpu's can't maybe go to 3ghz or dual core.....but then Apple give us the best periphals and extras. Pci-express, dual-layer dvd-r or Blue ray writers, faster 10k hd's e.t.c e.t.c
We have the best software available in all areas, yet hardware that is again outdated

I agree. If this is true, it is really pathetic. Why even bother updating?

 

[MrMacMan]

I think IBM needs to hire some people that are as smart as those at AMD and Intel.

PS. Why is MR so slow today? Is Arn playing Doom 3 on the server?

IBM has people that smart.

Problem is their manufacturing plant has been riddled with problems.

--and yeah MR is reallly slow today--

meh.. g5's fast enough..

Not really.
You see what Doom requires?
I would like to see a reason why only the fastest mac available on the market is able to play it.
And even then it lags like crazy.

For gaming, video editing, and all the markets apple wants to become apart of and are still in, we need better increases in speed.

Has Intel's top chip increased more than 700MHz in the last 2 years? They were either at 3.06GHz or 3.2GHz I believe at the time that the 2GHz G5 was first introduced. So it's not like they're doing any better...

Intel Pentium 4 3.0Ghz (800Mhz FSB) was announced on April 14th
3.46 is available now. 3.7 GHZ was available in march (scattered and slow seepage into market)
so... yeah they increased 700 MHZ.
And there models are out now.
And have Hyper-threading.
And have more cache then before.
So don't try to tell members that intel has been slower the apple in chip releases.

Seriously, the hardware is great already. And when the dual cores come, it'll come with all the other good stuff, and it'll be great.

No doubt.








So when are they coming?
Obviously not summer 05'
Not when the AMD and Intel chips are coming.

<Rant on> With all of this crying over this "pathetic" update, I must say that I still have yet to meet a true graphics or video professional that has difficulty getting their real work done on what Apple offers hardware wise today. Bragging rights over who's "GHz" is bigger aside, what Apple offers today is more than powerful enough to get real world professional work done no matter what any of the whiners may say or think... <Rant off>

Alright.

I work in a television studio.
We have a Mac Editing Lab.
Totally G5's, flat screens, the works.

We are not keeping pace with other comparable studios out there.
When the studio edits a video and wants to release it we need to encode, burn and watch.
If we are not keeping pace, we must be getting slower.
We need the editing process to be as fast as it is and we need encoding, burning and all other steps to increase, this i stress is encoding.

In a TV studio you are working with several types of digital media, it is necessary to have a fast transfer rate from the time you get the film to the time you have a product.

I can tell you if apple doesn't get something in the next year, we will have fallen behind other studios, its that simple.

 

[BornAgainMac]

At this rate, my Revision A will never be obsolete. It must really suck to be waiting for a major update. It looks like 2006 before that happens.

 

[Rocksaurus]

BOOOOO. At least the stock can't go down any further though, right? Ha.

 

[LGRW3919]

this has to be wrong! apple might as well throw away the whole pro line if this is what will be happening- 10% increase in 10 monthes. apple would slip so far behind if the "updated" powermacs to be announced are withough pci-e, but more importantly dual core processors. there's evidence pointing to a bigger, better, upgrade (just look aorund on the forums) and i think the rumor mills are getting fed a lot of crap. apple won't let this update slip away.

 

[immac]

Gotta be part of the Thinksecret settlement. There's no way it could be this lame of an update. Jobs likes making quick imoney but he DOES have an ego.
what about this 32bit floating point color support in Motion, 4 instance- that should require some more horsepower I would think-not to mention the video card . How can they not give us PCIe and at least ONE multi dual core machine?
Keep the BluRay.

 

[SpaceMagic]

I smell a rat. I mean, Apple don't really like ThinkSecret at the moment, so it wouldn't surprise me if they are leaking false information. This way, we'll all be expecting 2.7ghz but really there'll be dual core 3ghzs It's not like Apple to be behind when it comes to new technology.. and with AMD and Intel bringing out dual cores this last week.. it's apple's turn.

 

[daveL]

I still say Apple should have made some kind of partnership with AMD instead of IBM. Don't get me wrong, the G5 is a powerful processor but I think AMD would have been able to produce faster and more reliable chips. Oh, and to those of you who are going to bite my head off for this and shout and scream that AMD only makes x86 processors, you are ignorant. There is no reason why AMD couldn't make a suitable POWER processor, IBM is really a bad partner on this since Apple represents such a small slice of business to them. But, AMD is still the underdog and I believe that being the underdog would propel them to make a superb processor.

IBM and AMD have an active technology partnership, and AMD makes use of IBM's Fishkill fab, as does Nvidia.

 

[vouder17]

this has to be wrong! apple might as well throw away the whole pro line if this is what will be happening- 10% increase in 10 monthes. apple would slip so far behind if the "updated" powermacs to be announced are withough pci-e, but more importantly dual core processors. there's evidence pointing to a bigger, better, upgrade (just look aorund on the forums) and i think the rumor mills are getting fed a lot of crap. apple won't let this update slip away.

Well lets hope that this is wrong..but TS is pretty good. They get 9/10 rumors correct if not 10/10. They are rarely wrong...meh. Most of the time i would be happy about that but in this case...

 

[toontra]

Forgive me if this has been suggested before, but....

How about if this was part of an out-of-court settlement between Apple and Think Secret. TS agree to leak false specs fed them by Apple - when the (far better) actual revisions are announced Apple look great and TS lose all credibility.

Let's hope!


OK beaten to it again!!

 

[kainjow]

Woerst than no major CPU update is lack of PCIe , c'mon applel even the PC notebooks have that now , AMD has Radeon Xpress 200M in thier new Turion 64 / Sempron notebooks. Intel has 915 based PCIe in thier Sonoma chipset for Pentium M's. Apple can't even get this stuff into thier 2yr old desktops.

eat my Dualcore dust losers.......MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Wow I'm sure we're all jealous that you might have access to a fast PC that runs Windows... oh no!

I bet you can play games faster now! Wow! I'm even more jealous!

Lets see.... Intel/AMD are just now getting into the multi-core business while Macs have had dual processors on their desktop line for how long?? Yes since the G4!

Add Tiger to this DP PM 2.7Ghz, add a gig of ram.... nothing to be ashamed of at all... and it's got 256MB vram... this computer will be extremely fast, no doubt about that.

While 200Mhz jump isn't that great, the PM still run powerful enough.

 

[nagromme]

It will be an interesting glimpse into the rumor community's psyche if these really ARE the PowerMacs that get released... and then the announcement gets mainly Positive ratings anyway, because of a 2-button mouse

(And yes, of course the OS matters more than the MHz.)