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Everyone keeps saying that this update won't be so bad as long as they drop the prices, but what's the likelihood that that will actually happen??

Is this feasible? :

Dual 2.0 --> $1499
Dual 2.3 --> $1999
Dual 2.7 --> $2499

if so than it's not so bad on the low end (though it now lacks the true high end). Maybe then I could buy the dual 2.3 for the same price as the current dual 1.8? And be able to actually get a non-crippled machine?


Am I dreaming?
 
T-E-R-R-I-B-L-E

Hey let's make software thats so powerful it needs a super high end system to run on, and then let's release new 'high' end systems that can barely run the new software! What a joke! If this is the case than Apple had better go back to updating the Powermacs every 6-8 months instead of once a year. That or release a Pro line with modern day specs. I thought Apple was considered to be "cutting edge" at some point, definitely NOT when it comes to CPUs for sure...
 
fanbrain said:
Think about it... There is so much more now for WWDC. The anticipation is going to kill me.
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Agreed. If the new PowerMacs are released, let's say, the first week of May and have a 6-month shelf life, then we will not see dual core PMs shipping until October.

After all this time, a simple speed bump on the current PowerMacs is hugely underwhelming to say the least.
 
OMG !

remember when the G4 was pretty much stuck at 533Mhz ... Deja Vu! Only its worse now because the rest of the industry is moving on. The power mac line is a joke these days.

My pet hate is the default GPU. Only Apple could get away with selling ANCIENT and dirt cheap graphics cards in a $2500 machine. Christ, that is just unforgiveable. And all those people who have been saying "9600 is just what Ive been waiting for" -> you people are insane. Why are you settling for such old technology in apple's top line ??????

Even my girlfriends 'old' PC has a 9800 PRO in it. Oh - and a 3Ghz P4 which she has had for AGES!

As for the updates - a 200Mhz bump at the top is nothing more than a slap to anyone paying top $$ for their next mac.

Ive been wanting to buy a PowerMac for a long time, but quite frankly they are so overpriced now its not even funny.

Remember the days of the SUPER COMPUTER adverts, and the time when Apple boasted they were faster than the latest pentium etc... GONE.

If this update happens, then welcome to the dark ages again APPLE, but there will always be some mugs out there who will say "whoa - a $100 price drop, and better features... what a bargain". I wont be one of them. At the time of writing this, 18 people had voted this story a POSITIVE development. My point proven - 18 Mugs out there already!

I think Apple should do the decent thing and stop calling them Power Macs. How about mMac (Mid range Mac), nwuMac (no worthy update Mac).

Shame on Apple.
 
LeeTom said:
Seriously, the hardware is great already. And when the dual cores come, it'll come with all the other good stuff, and it'll be great.
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The Hardware IS NOT great already. The hardware was fantastic the year before last. The hardware was great last year. The hardware is just OK this year. By next year we are going to be getting into the G4 PowerMac range of ‘It works”. Anyone who says otherwise is drinking a bit too much of the kool aid.

*sighs*

Once again Apple about to demonstrate that they are incapable of keeping their hardware up to date with the industry. They let one section of their product line hang on the vine just long enough that its just the side of spoiled rotten and then at the last nanosecond they update just in time to avoid complete disaster, and then repeats the cycle all over again. Quite frankly this kind of behavior isn’t something I’d expect from a world class company. Its something I’d expect from some little no named Taiwanese company who has bad management and can’t find the funds to maintain their product line. In short what the (*@@# 9^!! Is going on at Apple?!?
 
CALM DOWN PEOPLE!

Okay, let's go through this one setp at a time.

According to the rumor site, the innards of the PowerMacs will not be dramatically improved. No PCI-X 2.0 or PCI Express slots.
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Expected, Intel owns PCI Express.

No Blue-Ray support,
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Assuming they mean Blu-ray...
Duh. It's not coming out until 2006.

and only single-core PowerPC 970FX processors -- and not the 970MP processors that has been long hoped for.

ThinkSecret places PowerMac, eMac and iMac updates in the next "two weeks".
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Not that big a deal, the difference between dual processors and dual cores is minimal, right?

Here's my suspicion. Why would Stevie release PowerMacs in two weeks? What is he saving for WWDC? Traditionally, Apple always releases new PowerMac G5's in June, right?

My theory:
We're getting the current lineup updated in two weeks. In JUNE, they will release a $3500...dual processor dual core PowerMac G5. The 970MP's should be ready by June, right?
 
What is wrong with them?

This would be hard to believe, had Apple not let us down so many times before. This would be a disastrous upgrade for them, let's be frank. Their numbers for Pro machine sales were terrible last quarter and this would drive them down even further.

The technologies are out there to bring the PM line up to a competitive standard, and if IBM's processors are proving the problem then it looks like (once again) Apple may have backed the wrong horse. Let's hope not

Right now it feels like 95% of Apple's hardware effort is on the consumer and 5% on Pro customers. We pay the most and get the least attention - Apple, once again, is trying our patience and pushing its luck. Can they really keep doing this?
 
jeeeeeeeeeeeeez

Ya know, maybe I just don't get it. I find it very difficult to believe that Apple wouldn't release PowerMac updates at WWDC. I'd bet that they only have a minor speed bump, but even with that being said the PCIe and dual core setup would be awesome! :)
 
Yawn....

Wake me up WHEN APPLE ACTUALLY MAKES AN ANNOUNCEMENT, please?

I am amazed at people's ability to get this emotional on a rumor.

Scary, come to think of it.
 
Lancetx said:
<Rant on> With all of this crying over this "pathetic" update, I must say that I still have yet to meet a true graphics or video professional that has difficulty getting their real work done on what Apple offers hardware wise today.
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You've obviously never worked (or met anyone that works) with 2K film-scans. They push current hardware to the limits and as the price of 4K film-scanning drops, its going to -really- need the speed to handle it.

S
 
Don't be so glum

They are just passing time for the release of the cell chip. It's coming. It's going to be big. And it's going to be in everything. Remember Sony's Cell Processor-Based Workstation That's what is coming next! You'll see. They will annonce them at the Developers conference along with a revamped version of WebObjects for developing applications for the Cell.
 
The main problem is that Apple doesn't get the fact that it does not need to convince us, Macusers...it has to convince THE MARKET! And the market only accepts the cutting-edge...come on, Apple!

Can't ya remember the times when PCs were snails, and Macs were the most POWERFUL desktops?? IIfx, Quadra 900, PowerTower 225 anyone??

And it's not about processors, it's about leading architecture, GPU, the whole enchilada!

WAKE UP APPLE!
 
NO THEY CAN'T!!

mkwilson68 said:
This would be hard to believe, had Apple not let us down so many times before. This would be a disastrous upgrade for them, let's be frank. Their numbers for Pro machine sales were terrible last quarter and this would drive them down even further.

The technologies are out there to bring the PM line up to a competitive standard, and if IBM's processors are proving the problem then it looks like (once again) Apple may have backed the wrong horse. Let's hope not

Right now it feels like 95% of Apple's hardware effort is on the consumer and 5% on Pro customers. We pay the most and get the least attention - Apple, once again, is trying our patience and pushing its luck. Can they really keep doing this?
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Apple is fuc*'n piss'n on you pro users. How in the world can they do that, i'm assuming most recording/editing businesses are going to be going through their new computer cycle pretty soon due to the last update for their studios were when the g5's were introduced. now think about it, if the powermac isn't a ton better then what they bought 2 years ago.. why woudl they buy pretty much the same product? so assuming millions/billions of dollars of future pmac purchases are in the balance of if apple is going to get a top of the line computer out by the end of the summer, apple can kiss those sales good bye to amd and intel w/ their new duals. Apple better be smarter than this and i pray that if this is all we get, jobs may have to drop ibm.
 
Whoa

Just in case anybody was wondering about the integrity and history of IBM versus Intel/AMD:

About IBM

IBM is the world's largest information technology company, with 80 years of leadership in helping businesses innovate. IBM also is a recognized innovator in the semiconductor industry, having been first with advances like more power-efficient copper wiring in place of aluminum and faster SOI and silicon germanium transistors. These and other innovations have contributed to IBM's standing as the number one U.S. patent holder for 11 consecutive years. More information about IBM semiconductors can be found at: http://www.ibm.com/chips.




O.K.? :D
 
huh?

GFLPraxis said:
We're getting the current lineup updated in two weeks. In JUNE, they will release a $3500...dual processor dual core PowerMac G5. The 970MP's should be ready by June, right?
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If I was CEO of a company that released an update to a product - and then released an update to an updated product a month later, I would expect my ass to be hauled to the nearest field and be shot - quite frankly :)
webobject
 
*thinks*

You know, I think everyone has very vaild points in this, what is now turning out to be a debate between "real" mac fans, and "realistic" fans! A couple of points :

1) We all know, Windows is ridiculously bad. Have you tried using it? Frankly it doesn't matter whether it's a Dual core Pentium 7 or a Celeron - it's the code, the malware, the incompatible drivers, the mish-mash software etc...that is what makes the platform bad.

2) The megahertz myth apparently has significance here. How many Pentium's are up to 1.25 Ghz FSB?

3) My emac G4 has plenty of power to run Logic Pro 7 and various software synths and samplers at once. True, a little bouncing goes on here and there, but it's a rock. Try doing that on a 1.25 Ghz Celeron Processor using somthing similar. A Joke!

4) Apple is a MUCH smaller organization than Intel or the like. Now, I know that IBM makes the processors before people come and poke me, however look at what Apple are managing to throw out from only somthing like 10,000-20,000 employees. All the software, hardware, display, Airport, music store (Which as I always say IS truly revolutionary. You try and bargain ANYTHING with recoord companies and see what response you get)

The fact is, it shouldn't matter whether our G5's come with 2.5 or even 3.5 GHz processors. Its not the point. The fact is that we are developing - moving on. I chose the mac platform knowing I was paying double and getting half the speed but I did it because it is recognized as the best in the business where I work. From my perspective, 18 months ago I brought my Ti Powerbook running at 867Mhz. Now we're up to around 2.7 (rumored) Ghz. That to me, is an improvement - and when I look to upgrade, I know I have a plausable, economically viable, upgrade route to follow.
 
Raven VII said:
Intel also owns AGP. So what's your point?
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Didn't actually realize that. However, I have one question; How long did it take Apple to adopt AGP?

As it is now, Intel boards got PCIe first, then AMD, Apple could be next. PCIe is still fairly rare though even in the PC world.

Further, it would take a bit of work- NVidia and ATi don't make ONE Mac-compatible PCIe card (obviously), so Apple would have to take steps to make them start producing cards before they add the slot.
 
Object-X said:
They are just passing time for the release of the cell chip. It's coming. It's going to be big. And it's going to be in everything. Remember Sony's Cell Processor-Based Workstation That's what is coming next! You'll see. They will annonce them at the Developers conference along with a revamped version of WebObjects for developing applications for the Cell.
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Slow down buddy.

The Cell is extremely good at floating point but terrible at integer calculations- and I mean absolutely terrible in comparison to the floating point scores. And it's 3-4 times more expensive than a normal processor. So Cell is really hit or miss. It's awesome for a video editting machine and good for a gaming machine but sucks for a normal user.

Don't get too excited.
 
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