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I don't want to send photos via text, I have other ways to do that, if I really need to.
SMS for the most part is reliable, and it does what it says on the tin. Sure, for longer messages it changes to MMS these days, but still reliable. Most of the messages I send or receive are, How are you, do you want to meet for a pint, want to meet for a coffee?

so why do I need anything other than SMS?
sms is not nearly as reliable as rcs if your cell connection is remotely bad. RCS was a godsend for me cus I can finally message android friends with my wifi at home without turning on airplane mode.
 
Google forces all RCS messages sent using Google Messages to go through their server. They have a non-standard RCS implementation which allows them to capture more data about those messages. It also allows them to track who is messaging who and when. They can then associate that with all the other information they have on users, like their location, what they've been searching for, and much more.

Google setup a RCS relay for people using Google Messages as carrier support for RCS was limited until Apple finally supported RCS. Because the GSMA outvoted Google they added end to end encryption as part of their non-standard implementation of RCS which does the exact opposite of what you are claiming. The carriers felt that transport encryption was enough. Apple finally getting involved in RCS they were finally able to push the carriers to allow E2EE in the standard.

Where is the EU complaint on this?

Because it isn't true, in fact it is the exact opposite. Google non-standard implementation of RCS was about adding end to end encryption. The carriers were against E2EE, so Google implemented it in Google Messages. The newest version of RCS finally added E2EE in the standard, probably thanks to Apple throwing their weight behind it as well.
 
You say better compatibility, that don't make sense. All phones have SMS, not all phones have RCS. So SMS is more compatible. I can text a mate who has a basic mobile phone, and it will arrive to him as it left here, not converted so his phone can cope with it.
Correct me if I am wrong, but the version of RCS on iPhones have to be supported by the networks, so since in ther U.K, the couple of networks that did support RCS have now dropped it and rely on Google for it, then RCS on Iphones are not going to work here.
How many networks in the U.S. or other countries for that matter support RCS directly?
The only way I can use RCS is to allow my messages to go through Google servers.

It will automatically switch between RCS, MMS, and SMS depending on support.

My sister uses Mint Mobile on a super cheap low data plan, but has unlimited SMS. Toward the end of the billing period when she runs out of data, our chats swtiching between SMS/MMS and RCS hased on whether she is on her home WiFi or not as she is out of data but has unlimited text messages.

Some carriers do contract with Google to provide their RCS implementation, but Google doesn't collect any of your text message data per their GDPR notices. Also in the near future RCS will finally have E2EE so they will be more secure than text messaging which doesn't even have transport encryption.
 
Google forces all RCS messages sent using Google Messages to go through their server. They have a non-standard RCS implementation which allows them to capture more data about those messages. It also allows them to track who is messaging who and when. They can then associate that with all the other information they have on users, like their location, what they've been searching for, and much more.
Sounds more like an Android users problem.
 
It's one of the first settings I turn off when I get a new phone. I don't want people knowing if/when I read their texts - sometimes I'm busy and can't respond right away, sometimes I need some time to consider my answer, and sometimes I'm deliberately ignoring them.


As far as other apps, the Messages app works fine for me. If I send a message to somebody with an iPhone it uses iMessage - if I send to somebody using an Android phone, it automatically uses RCS, no intervention required on my part. Nobody I know uses Signal or WhatsApp, and the only reason I have WhatsApp on my phone is for one ongoing group chat with a bunch of friends. If I could get them all to move that chat to another platform I would, as I consider anything from Meta akin to having malware/spyware on my phone.

I have no desire to be in a situation where I communicate with friends on two or three different platforms and have to continually juggle multiple apps to stay on top of conversations. Other than that one group chat, everybody I converse with is on Message - or if we need to call, we use the stock Phone app. It's platform agnostic and I don't know anybody who doesn't have unlimited calling minutes in this day and age.
You can turn the read receipts off for RCS, just the same as for iMessage. How is there this much confusion out there about this?
 
It would be really nice if they fixed the issue with RCS not working correctly with a VPN enabled... I sometimes forget to turn it off only to realize much later that I've missed some messages if they don't default back to SMS automatically.
 
sms is not nearly as reliable as rcs if your cell connection is remotely bad. RCS was a godsend for me cus I can finally message android friends with my wifi at home without turning on airplane mode.
I don't get why you would turn on airplane mode to text.
I have not had many problems with text over the years, the only p[roblem I am having at the moment is with a text app called textra, for some reason a friend can't reply to any text I send via it, never used to happen, but is now, but she is the only person that have a problem.
If i see her today for coffee, I will have a look to see what is happening, because I don't like the Google messages app.
 
its the same thing except rcs works over wifi for when cell signal is poor and its better at sending things in general. 🤷‍♂️
But it is not the same thing, SMS is just normally plain text, it changes to MMS if the text is long and to send silly emojis
 
Sounds more like an Android users problem.
No, it is a network don't support RCS problem. The Iphone version of RCS need support from the network, Android phones don't, so if the network don't support RCS, then it will pass though Google servers instead.

So if you have an Iphone, if your network doesn't support RCS, you are stuffed if you want to use it.
 
It will automatically switch between RCS, MMS, and SMS depending on support.

My sister uses Mint Mobile on a super cheap low data plan, but has unlimited SMS. Toward the end of the billing period when she runs out of data, our chats swtiching between SMS/MMS and RCS hased on whether she is on her home WiFi or not as she is out of data but has unlimited text messages.

Some carriers do contract with Google to provide their RCS implementation, but Google doesn't collect any of your text message data per their GDPR notices. Also in the near future RCS will finally have E2EE so they will be more secure than text messaging which doesn't even have transport encryption.
I know how it works, but that don't mean the RCS is more compatible, all it means is it switches to SMS when it needs to.

I don't need E2EE on text messages, unless somone wants to know when I am meeting my family or a friend for coffee, I don't send anything important via text.
Even so, knowing the U.K government, they will not allow E2EE as they are worried we might be planning something they don't like.
 
And yet, Apple fought tooth and nail not to do it, just like they did when they were forced to go USB-C. 🫩
I never understood why they were forced to changed to USB-c, the e.U says it is to save waste. I[ doubt it will make any difference whatsoever.

I just bought myself a new electric saver, it uses 5 volts to charge, so why not force them to use USB c, instead of a mini figure of 8 connection? Just think of all the waste that would save

Don't get me wrong, I think having a standard connection is great, if I get someone to come here with their Iphone and they don't bring their cable and their phone needs charging then they are stuffed, with USB-C , i have plenty of those around here.
 
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Some people what to feel "cool" rejecting stuff that other use.
Getting better quality photos is worth it alone.
Cool? I don't think so, some of us just don't need it. We are not all the same. I could say, people just follow each other like sheep, but I won't
 
I don't get why you would turn on airplane mode to text.
I have not had many problems with text over the years, the only p[roblem I am having at the moment is with a text app called textra, for some reason a friend can't reply to any text I send via it, never used to happen, but is now, but she is the only person that have a problem.
If i see her today for coffee, I will have a look to see what is happening, because I don't like the Google messages app.
You have to turn on airplane mode to text so that the phone sends sms via wifi… with RCS it does that naturally .
 
Cool? I don't think so, some of us just don't need it. We are not all the same. I could say, people just follow each other like sheep, but I won't

Sheep? 😂

When my kids send me photos, I want the best quality of them. I also like the security RCS will have…. The main reason why I like iMessage so much… the security. Anyone at your phone company can see and read your texts.

I also message my business partners using Signal.

Unless you’re using Proton Mail or another like it, email providers can read your emails.

Before you said “I have nothing to hide,” we all have something to hide.

Ok, tell me why I don't see a blue icon? I really want to know!
I had this issue years ago. I turned off iMessage, did a hard rest. When it came on, I turned on iMessage, did a hard rest again, and that fixed the issue.
 
I'm really not sure about the usefulness of RCS given most Americans use Facebook Messenger or WhatsApp as their messaging system. At least Facebook Messenger and WhatsApp are operating system agnostic, and has a huge user base in much of the world.
 
I'm really not sure about the usefulness of RCS given most Americans use Facebook Messenger or WhatsApp as their messaging system. At least Facebook Messenger and WhatsApp are operating system agnostic, and has a huge user base in much of the world.
Most Americans use texting still, the US was always into texting more than messaging apps.

Americans prefer SMS and instant messaging to phone calls

81% of Americans text regularly. They send 6 billion texts every day.

Americans prefer texting to other forms of communication. This (includes WhatsApp and other forms of instant messaging).
Statistics on texting reveal that 33% of American adults surveyed checked their text messages within one minute. Another 40% reported they checked them within 1- 5 minutes.
 
I know how it works, but that don't mean the RCS is more compatible, all it means is it switches to SMS when it needs to.

If you want to send videos between Android and iPhone it is a HUGE compatibility upgrade. The stuff my sister sends me no longer looks like it was filmed with a potato. So we no longer have to use a third party app just for media.
I'm really not sure about the usefulness of RCS given most Americans use Facebook Messenger or WhatsApp as their messaging system. At least Facebook Messenger and WhatsApp are operating system agnostic, and has a huge user base in much of the world.

RCS is more agnostic as you don't need to download some third party software or sign up for an account.

Also most Americans use some text messaging app as their default form of messaging. In the USA SMS messages were quickly made part of plans as it literally cost the carriers little.
 
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