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Unfortunately, the amount of content available for the Apple TV continues to decline.

Condemn it to death and the Apple TV portion of the App Store still hasn't launched yet - a bit premature don't you think?

I have a question - I read about these $.99 episode purchases from Amazon, is that correct? Are they the same episodes Apple wants networks to offer for rental? I'm not clear - does Amazon have something that Apple can't offer?
 
I think the days of commercial TV are dead. Does anyone watch commercials anymore? That is what the FF button on the DVR is for. In 10 years, the only commercials that will count will be product placement and perhaps a, "If you like this show, please check out..." before the show starts.

In ten years you might see 70% of the US population with DVRs instead of the 20-30% it's at now.

There are far more eyes watching commercials than the comparatively tiny audience skipping with DVRs and with those eyes comes billions of dollars that will continue to fund networks for a long, long time.

Just as the internet is funded by advertising despite the claims that "everyone" is using adblockers. On a massive scale people wouldn't pay to watch what they had for free previously. Same applies to television. Except the fallout would be worse.
 
Since the only show on Comedy Central worth watching for me is South Park, and all their episodes are online for free... I will have to disagree with the Viacom guys statement.

It would be one thing if these guys had some kind of bigger picture objection, but it seems they are all clueless and missing things entirely. It would be one thing if they had some thought out strategy and explained it is not the right price point, but just saying it is not the right pricepoint makes it sound like you don't really know what you are doing when it comes to selling products to consumers.

That is one thing we all need to realize. Networks and cable channels are novices when it comes to selling products to consumers. They have only started doing it recently, and everything shows they are not terribly good at it. So why should I listen to them about what their price point should be, when I have a lot more knowledge and retail experience then most of them do?

I will say though, to anyone who opposes these knuckleheads, the only way to send them a message is to actually rent 99 cent shows from Fox and ABC. If not, they will never be convinced. So even though I still think 99 cents is too high, in order to lower the bar closer, I am considering renting shows to help the cause.

Otherwise they will just sit there and say see it doesn't work, when in reality, 99 cents is still too much.

Thing is, bulk of viewers want their preferred shows dictated to them - which requires a network TV channel.

Remember (and all Internet TV hopefuls miss this): the TV model is "turn on, pick one of a dozen channels, watch whatever is showing." Whoever makes an Internet TV device that dead simple (or at least IQ 60 simple) with sufficiently engaging shared-experience material will win.
Apple TV still misses that winning paradigm. It will for $0.99 get you what you request, but most viewers don't want to request, they want to sit back and be given with zero effort.

That is not quite the future though. Sure you might technically have channels, but ultimately everything will be on demand. Sure new episodes might get released at certain points, but the ultimate point will be shows will all be available on demand. How the price structure works out, subscription based or ala carte is still up in the air. But there are not going to be airing of channels for the long term. Eventually that will go away save potential local channels and such. You may be able to turn on the "live feed" of a channel, for instance, but it will still be on-demand streaming for all intents and purposes.
 
it's probably the correct business move - to wait and see how ABC/Disney and Fox do with the arrangement. but it's still a reflection of the behind-the-times attitudes of "old media" that prevent them from being leaders. look at who are the leaders in the tv business - computer companies.
 
I pay 60$ a month for cable and only watch about 6 shows....so that is about 120$ for the year (based on a season costing 20$). Cable for the year is 720$ the Apple TV method of renting seasons is much better for me, then paying for cable or dish.

I got rid of cable 2 years ago and have never regretted it. I still have free OTA (over the air) digital but never watch it, except for BBC News 24 once every couple of months or so. The rest of the time, my gen 1 Apple TV is the best device ever.

As for those content delivery fiefdoms, they are so effing greedy they have no idea that every step further into central Greedsville moves its citizens closer to Bittorrentsville. Go on, take another step, greedy ones, and make everyone's day better.
 
Apple should allow content providers to charge what they want, like the do in the App Store. The market will sort out the pricing.

They would all charge $9.99 an episode and then blame Apple for nobody buying tv shows.

You think I am kidding, but that is how stupid tv execs are... The biggest golden goose in the history of the world is being stoned to death by the Lilliputians who run network television.
 
it's probably the correct business move - to wait and see how ABC/Disney and Fox do with the arrangement. but it's still a reflection of the behind-the-times attitudes of "old media" that prevent them from being leaders.

No it's Apple who are behind-the-times.

The Networks have already jumped onto digital platforms, they just don't want to jump onto AppleTV.

Apple need to start playing with others. AppleTV on every other consumer device would be far more successful than just on one Apple product.

There's nothing special about the AppleTV box and no reason to buy one for the hardware. It's the software running on it that makes the difference. And that software could be made to drop into almost any new consumer device with the exact same experience.
 
So these same companies will put content on places like Hulu, or other free streaming sites with ads, but won't put it up were they are getting direct financial compensation?

In other words they are saying..." our shows are not popular enough to generate enough rental revenue" .

Possibly not, but I have a feeling that networks like this are slowly going under. Honestly, there is enough good content on YouTube (or similar) by "amateur hour" folks, that I haven't felt the need to renew my cable subscription for almost decade.

Then you have low expectations when it comes to content.

I'm going to guess a scenario.
Maybe Apple does this intentionally. Google TV is going to be able to run apps. What if the actual content creators start taking advantage of that, making their own apps, bypassing the networks/middlemen altogether. The networks might see that as a larger threat, and then sign up with Apple to hold whatever control they still have. Once Apple gets everybody, then Apple flips on the apps switch on Apple TV, leaving the networks scrambling. Apple will become THE "network" for iptv. :D

Only one IPTV with everything, no choice of IPTV provider. This is what you want...your comment is not as bright as you think it is
 
No it's Apple who are behind-the-times.

The Networks have already jumped onto digital platforms, they just don't want to jump onto AppleTV.

Apple need to start playing with others. AppleTV on every other consumer device would be far more successful than just on one Apple product.

There's nothing special about the AppleTV box and no reason to buy one for the hardware. It's the software running on it that makes the difference. And that software could be made to drop into almost any new consumer device with the exact same experience.

Finally, some intelligent out of the Apple crate thinking.
 
Yep.

As mentioned before, Amazon have more eyes on product through more devices.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/video/ontv/ontv/ref=atv_getstarted_ontv

You've completely not answered my question (due to my unclear question). What is the issue with Apple offering $.99 rentals when I've read (and perhaps this is wrong) that Amazon offers $.99 purchases of same (?) episodes? Does Amazon truly offer $.99 purchases of episodes? Are they current? Are they the same ones that Apple wants to rent? What's the difference?
 
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You've completely not answered my question. What is the issue with Apple offering $.99 rentals when I've read (and perhaps this is wrong) that Amazon offers $.99 purchases of same (?) episodes? Does Amazon truly offer $.99 purchases of episodes? Are they current? Are they the same ones that Apple wants to rent? What's the difference?

Don't know if this is the answer but based on the link the other poster provided it would appear a case is being made for more varied devices, larger target audience, better chance of the 99 cent model turning a profit (as opposed to Apple only device)

I did not say it was my case, just what I glean from the comment.
 
Condemn it to death and the Apple TV portion of the App Store still hasn't launched yet - a bit premature don't you think?


Help me out with the apps. Exactly what apps are you going to be able to operate with the Apple Remote? Or is the Apple TV going to turn into an Apple Wii?

I'm not saying the App thing won't happen. I'm just not sure what use they would have.
 
No it's Apple who are behind-the-times.

The Networks have already jumped onto digital platforms, they just don't want to jump onto AppleTV.

Apple need to start playing with others. AppleTV on every other consumer device would be far more successful than just on one Apple product.

There's nothing special about the AppleTV box and no reason to buy one for the hardware. It's the software running on it that makes the difference. And that software could be made to drop into almost any new consumer device with the exact same experience.

right, i agree that the appleTV is nothing really great...but i did not say that apple itself is leading here, just that computer companies are the ones who are forcing the networks to get their collective acts together. one is not leading simply by "going digital"...that is not out-of-the-box thinking. forcing people to buy entire packages to get two or three channels is not out-of-the-box thinking, even if they do offer "pay-per-view". you still need to subscribe to a cable/fiber plan to get pay per view access.
 
Seriously, don't they understand that this is 'free money' for people renting their shows, not selling them. The sales would stay at $1.99/$2.99. Are all these executives stupid?

TEG
 
Shortsighted and not listening

I have owned an Apple TV for over 2 years. I have purchased tons of content on it, including TV shows. Apple Listens! I have even submitted feedback saying that I love buying TV shows on my AppleTV so that I have the content on my big screen. I would do it twice as much if it was just a dollar cheaper and I didn't have to store TV shows that I bought, because to watch them again is only a dollar. It is clear that these companies are not listening to actual users of an Apple TV, because we are trying to give them incite into our purchasing habits and ultimately give them more money. 2 dollars for a show that fills up the hard drive on my iMac is a horrible deal. If a whole movie is 3.99 to rent, how is .99 a bad deal for a TV show. That is the pricepoint; when Apple introduced that I had been thinking it all along. When I am sitting at my TV, I am much more likely to pull that trigger more often if it feels cheap and I don't have to store it. Listen to us Viacom; we are the users of these products; we know what we are talking about!
 
Vote with your wallet

Boycott! I'll buy second hand tv shows and upload to my mac. No more buying the latest film or tv show.
 
Not being able to rent CBS shows is actually a big deal for me. I don't watch anything on ABC, NBC, or Fox and I don't think my wife does either.

Other than CBS dramas I watch live sports, news, PBS, and a couple of shows on Discovery Channel. My kids watch Treehouse TV and children's programming on a local cable channel.

All that means cable still makes sense for me and iTunes doesn't.
 
I don't care what they value their content at, in my household they're competing with DVD rental. I can rent a DVD for $4, and each one holds 4-8 episodes. That makes the value of an episode $0.50-$1.00 to me.
 
More TV Executives Weigh In on 99-Cent TV Show Rentals: Viacom Out, CBS on the Fence

The networks are being silly. They allow people to watch their shows directly on their webpage. It wouldn't hurt them at all to participate in Apples program to rent shows. They are only hurting themselves.

Courtney
 
I can rent a DVD for $4, and each one holds 4-8 episodes.

Is that a normal renting price in the US for DVDs or blu rays? I'm asking because I pay around 1€ per DVD normally. And when I prepay 50€ I get 100 DVDs or blurays which equals 0,50€ per DVD/bluray. So $4 for just one DVD is way to much IMHO.
 
I may have missed it but did CBS give up on an app.? The iPad could use a CBS app such as the ABC Player even if they have commercials.
 
I am curious if there is an industry average of how much money a show yields the Network in the form of ad revenue

I saw a definitive quote on that last year: US ad revenue totaled $47 Billion dollars for the year (a recession year). There are about 310 million adults in the U.S. (who could make up for that ad revenue in the new commercial-free model). Each household is made up of about 2.59 people on average.

So, in the new commercial-free internet model, we just need every adult in America to pay $151/yr to wash out the revenues from commercials, or each of about 120 million households to pay about $392/yr to wash out the commercial revenues.

The big challenge is that many of "us" dream of the $30/month all-you-can-eat, iTunes subscription package. But the math to wash out just the commercials doesn't work: $392/12 = $32.67 month. That's before Apple would take their cut.

These content producers just want to make more money this year than they made last year- just like Apple... and just like whatever company we each work for. We can rah-rah about how greedy they are and how Apple is our savior all we want, but in the end, if we arrive at a world where Apple owns video like it practically owns audio, someone will have to make up for the revenues vs. the current model. In that world, the someone is either Apple or us. Who do you think will foot the bill?

As others have posted, the correct solution is for Apple to get out of the dictator business and let the marketplace find the right prices for this content. If a company is too greedy they won't sell many shows- especially if the quality of their product is poor. On the other hand, superior quality programming probably deserves superior pricing as a reward. The quality of all shows is not identical; does it really make sense that all shows should be priced at $1.99, or $.99, or $.49, or some other flat fee? If all shows end up at $.X9 each in that world, do you spend the big production budgets for top-rated scripted programming, or do you cheap it out with reality programming, or less? There's no reason to make a summer blockbuster movie if it is going to be priced exactly the same as 2 hour movie of something like Kate+8. The latter will prove to be more profitable content if they both are going to be priced the same. Making up for it on volume is going to take an awful lot of volume to do so.

I saw an article about Netflix yesterday in which it described the early days of Netflix. The movie industry didn't like Netflix because they made a lot more money working with other players. Netflix needs their content to grow their business. So more recently Netflix has won them over. How? By paying the big bucks for the content so that they get on par with some of the other sources. Apple could easily do this too, but instead Apple is pushing them to perceptually cheapen their product. If Apple would make up the difference out of Apple's pocket, more of the content owners would want to play ball with Apple. Instead, companies like Netflix has figured out that to win that ball game, you have to pay up for the content. And Netflix seems to be winning the streaming game, don't they?

And those posting they'll just steal the shows instead. Even 1 cent per episode will still be infinitely higher than the price you are choosing.
 
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