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notjustjay said:
Sure looks like IR to me, with the smoked plastic panel at the front to cover the emitter...

(just speculation.)
Easier to show which way is up on an all white remote. Typically you have to aim, this gives you that option.
 
For those bent on the remote not being Bluetooth, I'm pretty sure you would be required to pair your remote before using it. That takes away from the ease of use. With it like this, you can take your remote from home, pop in a DVD at the school, and rock it with Front Row right away. No pairing, no worries.
 
enygma said:
<insert obligatory "where's the powermac/powerbook updates" here>

As for front row, update the Mac Mini with Front Row, make it a little bigger so you can fit a 3 1/2" drive in it, load it with 250GB, include a remote, superdrive and all the wireless goodies and add optical audio outputs.

Hook that bastard up to your 720p/1080i capable HDTV and 5.1+ channel receiver and now you have the ultimate HTPC (Or HTMac, however you look at it). If these specs are met, I would be inclined to buy one as soon as humanly possible.

this is basically it in a nutshell, and something of the ultimate set up.

(until the next thing looms on the horizon obviously)

Iain
 
BBC et al

Lynxpro said:
The BBC is too stupid. They hosted the U.K. presentation, yet they did not sign up with Apple to market their shows. It would be a no-brainer to sell new *Doctor Who* through the iTunes Store here in the States - since no cable channel signed up to televise it - but did they? Nope! Why? Because they are stupid.
Well it's been, what, 24hrs since Apple added TV shows to iTunes?
I'd give the Beeb and others another day or two to jump on board before branding them stupid... 😉
 
Superdrive said:
For those bent on the remote not being Bluetooth, I'm pretty sure you would be required to pair your remote before using it. That takes away from the ease of use. With it like this, you can take your remote from home, pop in a DVD at the school, and rock it with Front Row right away. No pairing, no worries.
Pairing is only required one time ... then it would be easy after that.
 
lcde said:
(just speculation.)
Easier to show which way is up on an all white remote. Typically you have to aim, this gives you that option.

Well i guess the people at the apple store where wrong, if you go to apple.com and look up the remote it now says:

www.apple.com/store said:
Compatible with Apple products introduced in 2005 or later that have a built-in Infrared (IR) receiver.

So not only will this not work with existing machine, but it won't work with the powerbooks that actually shipped with IR....

One can only hope you can hook up the new ipod dock to your computer and use the remote that way.....
 
Mac_Freak said:
I would just get Elgato EyeTV and record all the shows you want and then recompress/resize them with QT Pro
You don't even need QT Pro to encode for the iPod now.
And I think I'll stick with Salling Clicker + BT phone for my remote needs.
 
His answer isn't good business sense at all. What difference does it make if I have an iMac, PowerMac or PowerBook sitting in my living room? People that want an all-in-one solution will buy an iMac. Everyone else that has extra machines around can benefit from this. Put Front Row in a box for $99, which I'm sure is 5x what it costs to integrate it with an iMac, and let us have our fun dammit.
 
snowmoon said:
Um... apple knows about this segment, but the mini will never be able to do that.

1) 720p - Mac mini is TOO SLOW with a pathetic video card and it's ability tops out at 480p for h.264, 1080i is totally useless with this device.

2) Audio - With the lack of a optical or digital audio out this unit is crippled.

I would have snagged a mini months ago as it would be a killer DVD replacement, but not with those limitations when I have a DLP projector ( 8" wide screen ). I'm not investing into a product that's already been obsoleted.

I don't believe apple will remedy the situation until they have higher margins on the mini... they have no reason to canabalise much higher margin iMac sales.

surely if not a mac mini, but some apple branded product/box that sits by the tv as a media server allowing us to view all this stuff on our tvs in our lounges, rather than as students in our dorms?

Iain
 
Apple 'Front Row' Petition

Topic already created regarding this: < https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/154470/ >

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To Apple Consumers:
Apple released many new and innovative products today, including a piece of software called "Front Row." Unfortunately this software is only available on the newly released iMacs. As a loyal Apple consumer I feel that Apple should release this software/feature as a standalone product.

Apple listens to their customers, so I urge those who feel the same way to cast their vote. Please follow the link below to read and sign the petition.

Apple 'Front Row' Petition
< http://new.PetitionOnline.com/frontrow/petition.html >

Sincerely,
Nathan Sharp
 
bketchum said:
I could see FrontRow eventually being in iLife O6 to help sell the latest version of that suite.

iLife 2006 with included remote control. 😉 🙂


Actually is using the same formula they used with the iPod that they are now using on the iMac G5. Simple. 🙂

Apple puts out a new generation iPod with one or more features that will not be included in the previous generation iPod, thus creating more profit and envy for the new feature set. They can surely upgrade the previous generation iMac or iPod for that matter, however due to business sense they will not. 😉 🙂
 
dashiel said:
the bbc doesn't have to be business savvy, they're a publicly funded organization. they exist as a public service to the people of britain. i for one am glad they're not the money grubbing scum like cnn and fox news. they don't have to cater to the lowest common denominator for ratings, or throw dozens of ads on their website just to stay in business.

though by the conjectures you make in the rest of your post they obviously seem savvy enough. the price might be high, but obviously people are paying it. just because their business logic doesn't get you what you want doesn't mean they're stupid.

indeed, and Front Row has only just been announced after all.

we have Telewest cable here in the UK, and now have true video on demand through the set top box - most of the content is BBC stuff.

plus, the BBC have already made a selection of full programmes available to view as straming media from their website, and are currently trialling their iMP application which will enable people to download programmes to watch at their leisure for one week after inital broadcast.

so the BBC are actually pretty on the ball with this stuff - their head of media has commented positively today on Fromt Row, and its now within the realms of possibility that BBC programming could be made available through their commercial wing which produces videos and DVDs etc, which in turn subsidised the licence fee we pay here in the UK.

Iain
 
anyway - i've just downloaded coldplay's video for fix you and its a bit pixellated at full screen on a 15" powerbook - which at £1.89 (@$3.30) is a bit dissapointing.

What's the idea here - to be able to download videos specifically to view on the new iPods, or be able to watch on our macs? If its the latter, then how can they expect people to pay these prices for such low quality video?

I could see myself buying quite a few videos if they were better quality, and I could make my own compilation DVDs with them - but am I correct in thinkking the DRM does not permit DVD burning?

Whoever's behind this - most likely the record companies - have dropped the ball surely - if I can't do what I'd have considered a pretty good thing thing to do with these videos, then I ain't gonna buy them.

Iain
 
I see FrontRow requiring the remote to work and with the iMac the only comp with the remote it makes sense that its only available on the iMac. What I wonder though is where is the ir port on the iMac. I don't see one. Could it be that it reads it with the built in iSight?
 
a little parody (i wrote it myself, it's no onion article)

Apple Revolutionizes Television With 5 Re-runs in Low Definition

Cupertino, CA

Oct 12, 2005

Today Apple turned the world of television on its head with the iTunes Music Store as it did with the music industry and the iTunes Music Store a scant few years ago.

Customers will find something that fits every taste with a selection so large, that a user with their computer's resolution at the lowest setting, might actually have to scroll to see all five shows listed at the store! In addition Apple has extended its award-winning search tool to help users wade through the diverse programming available.

For example, when a user searches for Desperate Housewives, Desperate Housewives comes up along with a selection of four other shows the user might like based on their search.


Because of the wide away of programming, Apple is also introducing a Just For You Show Picker. After answering a couple of questions, Apple will help you pick the right TV show.

For example:

Do you consider yourself a desperate housewife?
If so, check out Desperate Housewives!

Did you like Gilligan's Island?
If so, check out Lost!

Are you a night owl?
If so, check out Night Stalker!

Are you a child under the age of 13?
Ask for mommy's credit card and download the Cosby girl's show.

Are you an Apple enthusiast?
Pay for that other Disney show no one has heard of.

All of the shows are featured in brilliant Low Definition, and play on the new iPods. Low Definition feauters new Apple technologies such as Artifacts, Pixelation, and Interlacing. Bonjour to the future!

Now you can catch up on your five favorite re-runs as you drive to work!

In addition, in the ramp up to the holiday season, Apple will be providing Al Roker's weather reports three days after they air. Al can be seen reporting the weather in his easy to understand fashion of barbecuing and kissing babies.

Apple ignited the personal computer revolution in the 1970s with the Apple II and reinvented the personal computer in the 1980s with the Macintosh. Today, Apple continues to lead the industry in innovation with its award-winning desktop and notebook computers, OS X operating system, and iLife and professional applications. Apple is also spearheading the digital music revolution with its iPod portable music players and iTunes online music store (now with five TV shows!).
 
duklaprague said:
surely if not a mac mini, but some apple branded product/box that sits by the tv as a media server allowing us to view all this stuff on our tvs in our lounges, rather than as students in our dorms?

Iain


isn't that what a video airport would do?
 
Lynxpro said:
Need more proof?

yes, i do. fair point about bbc world wide, but to your other points, it seems entirely focused on doctor who. what about the office, faulty towers, the prisoner, hitchikers guide, black adder, hell they've even got coronation street, not to mention loads of doctor who DVDs. i understand being frustrated over not having a show you want to watch being available, but clearly the BBC offers a considerable amount of the library on DVD and broadcast to america. i'm just curious what else makes them so stupid?
 
dashiel said:
yes, i do. fair point about bbc world wide, but to your other points, it seems entirely focused on doctor who. what about the office, faulty towers, the prisoner, hitchikers guide, black adder, hell they've even got coronation street, not to mention loads of doctor who DVDs. i understand being frustrated over not having a show you want to watch being available, but clearly the BBC offers a considerable amount of the library on DVD and broadcast to america. i'm just curious what else makes them so stupid?

Very good point and excellent shows to use as examples! I love Fawlty Towers, Black Adder, The Office, and I could go on and on. Doctor Who is only one of the great shows BBC has to offer! And yes, much of it is on DVD, so it's not like it isn't available.
 
Sonofhaig said:
Ah ha ha ha ha..... too funny!
Dude, don't get married, it'll just get worse. BTW.... whipped. 😉

Well, I wouldn't say whipped. I've got 4 Macs in the house, ( three iMac's & 1 Powerbook), Plus 1 Dell Desktop for Business Research. Not to mention her POS Dell laptop 😀

Oh, and I may be whipped, but at least she wears kinky leather when doing so 😱 😀
 
Front Row

No one has even braught this up,but I would assume between the GPU, the outdated G4, 4200 RPM HD, and low bus speed the Mac mini most likely can not handle Front Row. I don't know if anyone noticed when front row is activated how it slides out the desktop and it slides in, so everything on the desktop is still running in the background, etc.... Apple is a big fan of there effects, if something wont work right they don't want people to see it all choppy. Also they really like the remote, without the remote its useless, they would have to make a USB IR device for the mini, that would also have to stick up weird because the USB port on mini is in the rear. I am just going to assume once they update the mini, they will add some kind of IR up front...
 
Ibrin said:
I really don't think Apple is positioning this for the Living Room. Check out the Front Row web page. The eye-catching quote is "Do the math. iMac G5 + remote control + DVD = the most popular dorm room" It's been ten years since I was in college, but I never knew anyone with a big TV. A 20" widescreen TV would have been pretty sweet. The fact that it's in a G5 iMac is all the better...

Apple isn't targeting this at your (or your parent's living room), they are targeting it at the high school and college kids. Photo Booth is certainly targeted to them as well.

I guess, but I'm in college and a lot of people haver pretty big TV's already. I just have a 13" in my dorm, but my iMac G5 is set up at my desk, and it would be awkward to watch movies from it cause of the position of my bed and chairs...ect.

Just the fact they said "sofa" made me think living room.
 
Front Row easily adapted to other Macs

It would be a simple fix for Apple to allow all other Macs to use Front Row. All Apple would need to do is sell an upgrade kit which would provide an IRDA input which would be connected to a USB jack and include the Front Row software and remote (it could also add the IRDA receiver to new keyboards to keep that USB port free). The specs for the new iMac are not markedly different from the last generation iMac. The only difference is (other than the included iSight and slightly upgraded video card) is the IRDA reader on the box. I don't suspect that it's too processor or video card intensive to allow all other Macs to be similarly upgraded. Indeed, it would be another valuable revenue source for Apple to draw from. I suspect that it's only a matter of time before this happens anyway. Once Apple reaps the expected initial bump in iMac sales due to this feature, I suspect it will release the upgrade kit in a box similar to the iSight. Recognizing that I may be a novice here and am just guessing, does this make any sense to anyone?
 
iAlan said:
...what about other countries? Will we get TV content here in Japan? Is Apple negotiating with networks in other TV markets? You won't be able to access TV content from outside your country (as is the case with music) as many shows rely on overseas syndication as a source of produvtion revenue/cost spreading. This really limits the effectiveness of teh video function.

BTW can any Qt file in the appropriate compression and size be played on the new iPod? Yuo could reformat stuff you record or download. couldn't you?

The technology for doing this has been around for a while, just look at all the Torrent activity. The huge problem has and will continue to be licensing.

As long as you have a credit card in the country where the product is sold you can buy it. We live in the US but still have a credit card from a bank in Japan from when we lived there. We are able to use that to purchase music in the US from iTMS Japan. A new industry could develop providing false identities in various countries so you could legally buy content from around the world.
 
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