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How the hell is that ignorance. You dont use a phone with 1 finger, you hold it in your hand. Other smart phones have the same effect when you hold it in your hand. Maybe not with one finger but that doesnt matter since you dont use it with one finger.

This story is another Apple attempt at a smokescreen.

I have never seen another phone that drops as much signal as the iP4 when the phones are held in natural positions. In the case of the iP4, it's the same position that it was held by Jobs in his WWDC speech, and the same position that its held in during almost all of Apple's commercials. CR quantified and confirmed that behavior.

Just because Apple found 3 phones that they could use to trump up directionally similar issues (although still to a lesser degree), can't change it. Just because they spent $100,000,000 on an RF test lab doen't change it.

Particularly when he cherry picks crappy phones for the comparison. A second tier, year-old Android phone, an obsolete WinMo phone, and a year old Blackberry design. It would have been interesting if they offered to test phones from the audience at random. Since I've returned my iP4, I've tested a number of current Android phones in normal use outside of stores. None were anywhere nearly as bad as the 4 in terms of signal loss, and some, in particular the Motorola Droid and Droid X are, as far as I can see, just about immune to signal loss from handling. So it doesn't happen to all phones, and is way less of an issue with current generation competing phones to the iP4.

As for the return statistics, others have made a great point that Jobs was being his usual disengenuous self in comparing that spec from only 22 days into the iP4 vs. a year into the 3GS (no steller performer in its own right). Then again, not surprising from a company that lied to its phone owners about signal strength for years until they got caught in the lie and decided that they had to come clean in iOS4.01.

This is beyond the elastic ethics that have become such a cancer in business today. And beyond arrogance.
 
How the hell is that ignorance. You dont use a phone with 1 finger, you hold it in your hand. Other smart phones have the same effect when you hold it in your hand. Maybe not with one finger but that doesnt matter since you dont use it with one finger.

did you even read my post? my index fingers rest ontop of the phone via landscape hence covering up the 'weak spot' when I surf the web. No **** other smart phones have the same effect when held in hand, but no other smart phone can replicate the issue with only 1 finger and job conveniently left that part out of his little demo.
 
did you even read my post? my index fingers rest ontop of the phone via landscape hence covering up the 'weak spot' when I surf the web. No **** other smart phones have the same effect when held in hand, but no other smart phone can replicate the issue with only 1 finger and job conveniently left that part out of his little demo.

why wouldn't you just flip the phone over in landscape? then your finger wouldn't be on the weak spot...
 
why wouldn't you just flip the phone over in landscape? then your finger wouldn't be on the weak spot...

and I did do that for a while but I'm not going to remember it every time. You are totally missing the point, you shouldn't have to avoid holding it a certain way for the phone to work. It should work no matter how you hold it, just like my iPhone 3G.

I can't kill the connection with my iPhone 3g with 1 finger, nor any other smartphones for that matter.
 
and I did do that for a while but I'm not going to remember it every time. You are totally missing the point, you shouldn't have to avoid holding it a certain way for the phone to work. It should work no matter how you hold it, just like my iPhone 3G.

I can't kill the connection with my iPhone 3g with 1 finger, nor any other smartphones for that matter.

You are missing my point, if you know that it is a weak spot and you can not work around it the problem becomes yours and not the phones. If you had never learned about the weak spot then clearly it would be all the phones fault. Since you know full well where it is and that it only takes one finger to interfere it really falls on your shoulders to do something about it (i.e. hold it differently)
 
You are missing my point, if you know that it is a weak spot and you can not work around it the problem becomes yours and not the phones. If you had never learned about the weak spot then clearly it would be all the phones fault. Since you know full well where it is and that it only takes one finger to interfere it really falls on your shoulders to do something about it (i.e. hold it differently)

lol, the fanboys is on fullspeed tonight. If you hurt your foot and you went to the doctors, and your doctor says to you 'avoid walking for the rest of your life if it hurts', I guess that would be acceptable to you.
 
I'm looking forward to ads Apple will air from now onwards. Now that they say the Iphone is not that much different than the other phones. ;)
 
I hadn't noticed until yesterday, but my Nexus One loses 2 full bars of signal (4 max) when I hold it in the palm of my hand... even with a case on it.

Have they scheduled the Google / HTC press conference yet?

I'll cry myself to sleep every night until someone apologizes to me for this violation of my fundamental human rights :mad: :mad: :mad:

If anyone had any kind of memory the Nexus received reports of this exact problem and no one cared.
 
If anyone had any kind of memory the Nexus received reports of this exact problem and no one cared.

Well the owners experiencing the problem cared, just like the iPhone 4 users having problems with their phone care about the issue.

The only way I could get bars to drop on my 3G was when I pressed the back of the phone firmly on my bare leg while cupping around the entire device with both hands with decent pressure. IPhone 4 comes out in canada in a couple weeks and I hope I get the same or better results with it.
 
Not wrong, but bending the truth. Yes other phones do lose some signal when held, but as tests have shown from CR and antesys (sp?) is that the iPhone 4 lose more signal, I think they said other phones -14 db, while the iPhone is -24 db.

dB != dBm

What is a db??
 
why wouldn't you just flip the phone over in landscape? then your finger wouldn't be on the weak spot...

If you bought new BMW coupe that came with the defect of the driver door not opening occasionally, would your solution be to just occasionally enter from the passenger side and climb over? Problem solved?

Some people just want to upgrade and have it work the way it did before (3GS, 3G, 2G... all didn't require you to watch your fingers or watch the orientation).
 
I don't pay 400 dollars for something to have a weak spot in a commonly held position ...

I mean why not put it at the top ... or the bottom? Where my hands don't go..

Then don't pay for it, there are other Apple phones out there for sale (3GS). If that doesn't cut it try an android. Saying that you don't want to pay for a phone with a problem won't fix the problem.
 
wow, the ignorance in this forum. I do a lot of web surfing on my phone and I usually web surf via landscape. My index fingers usually cover the top of the phone (the weak spot) in landscape.

You just proved you yourself as being ignorant.
Landscape works both ways fool.
 
lol, the fanboys is on fullspeed tonight. If you hurt your foot and you went to the doctors, and your doctor says to you 'avoid walking for the rest of your life if it hurts', I guess that would be acceptable to you.

If he said 'stop playing football or anything that would make it worse for the rest of your life' you probably would though.

In fact, let's stay with the analogy.

You go back after 22 days, the doctor says, 'I've been checking out your xrays and scans, and whilst the problem is pretty bad, this brace will help support your foot, stop the pain and allow you to carry on walking as much as you like. Oh and by the way, because it took a little while for me to work this alright, you can have it for free.'

Although, it isn't even that serious. Walking is a hell of a lot more important than a £500 phone. They messed up, they are giving away bumpers and cases, insulating the antenna helps stop the problem. They even made the signal bars display a truer representation of the available signal.

If you can't adapt to this issue (and solutions apple is trying to give you) and it is more significant to you than the rest of the device, then just take it back.
 
I think the bigger issue with this post is... one finger??! I can't get the signal to drop with one finger no matter the strength of the signal or location.
 
I think the bigger issue with this post is... one finger??! I can't get the signal to drop with one finger no matter the strength of the signal or location.

and thats great for you. However, some people are experiencing this issue and it's a big enough issue if apple have a press conference about it 22 days after release and giving everyone a free bumper. Wake up that the world doesn't revolve around you and it's a much bigger world out there.
 
If he said 'stop playing football or anything that would make it worse for the rest of your life' you probably would though.

In fact, let's stay with the analogy.

You go back after 22 days, the doctor says, 'I've been checking out your xrays and scans, and whilst the problem is pretty bad, this brace will help support your foot, stop the pain and allow you to carry on walking as much as you like. Oh and by the way, because it took a little while for me to work this alright, you can have it for free.'

Although, it isn't even that serious. Walking is a hell of a lot more important than a £500 phone. They messed up, they are giving away bumpers and cases, insulating the antenna helps stop the problem. They even made the signal bars display a truer representation of the available signal.

If you can't adapt to this issue (and solutions apple is trying to give you) and it is more significant to you than the rest of the device, then just take it back.

Yea but I'm not going to have the bracer on for the rest of my life to walk, just like for some who would like to use the phone naked. I understand it's a phone and thats not the point of this thread.

I'm trying to point out that the press conference is BS and they are trying to blur the line from the iPhone and the rest of the smartphones. No other smartphones transmission can grind to a halt by simply using one finger touching the weakspot on the phone. That is something they didn't address in the press conference.
 
I'm suiting up for this - READY!!

Why, from looking at many of the complaint threads about the iphone, does it seem that most of the people complaining, are newbies? Not all, but many.

They also want the phone to be "their way".

Apple is a company that sells a product (a few) - if its not for you or it does not function the way you wish, or is a piece of s*it, get something else. Then, go out and have some fun.
 
I'm suiting up for this - READY!!

Why, from looking at many of the complaint threads about the iphone, does it seem that most of the people complaining, are newbies? Not all, but many.

They also want the phone to be "their way".

Apple is a company that sells a product (a few) - if its not for you or it does not function the way you wish, or is a piece of s*it, get something else. Then, go out and have some fun.

God forbid we request that the iPhone should work as a phone. It's not as simple as 'get another phone and go with another carrier', a lot of us have invested a lot in iTunes apps and car accessories around our iPhone 2g/3g/3gs. Some have even gotten rid of their old iPhones and upgraded to iPhone 4 not thinking there will be an issue. I think I can speak for most when I say, we dont' hate the iPhone 4, we love everything about it except for the antenna issue.
 
lol, the fanboys is on fullspeed tonight. If you hurt your foot and you went to the doctors, and your doctor says to you 'avoid walking for the rest of your life if it hurts', I guess that would be acceptable to you.

Put a bumper on your foot and everything will be fine. :p
 
Go buy an android phone and stop whining!


God forbid we request that the iPhone should work as a phone. It's not as simple as 'get another phone and go with another carrier', a lot of us have invested a lot in iTunes apps and car accessories around our iPhone 2g/3g/3gs. Some have even gotten rid of their old iPhones and upgraded to iPhone 4 not thinking there will be an issue. I think I can speak for most when I say, we dont' hate the iPhone 4, we love everything about it except for the antenna issue.
 
They messed up, they are giving away bumpers and cases, insulating the antenna helps stop the problem. They even made the signal bars display a truer representation of the available signal.
Actually, no; they didn't 'mess up' - they're responding to bad PR.
People just happen to be benefiting from this with the free case offered, and some take it as confirmation that this is 'the iphone4 issue'.
 
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