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Moto 360 vs Watch Design. (Real photos)
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I don't understand.
But I never put an Android device on my Mac, but I see some people on Windows ^^
No, this is a pointless response.
It is not "my fault." The operating system was confusing. Plain and simple.
It was not intuitive or simplistic at all. You never know where you are in the OS and which panel will be next in your countless swipes up and down the screen.
Also, really you're going to compare a plane, which requires many hours of training and intricate knowledge to control, to a smartwatch which should be easily operated by millions of people? C'mon now...
Ok, well, I'm sorry to hear you personally found it confusing.
There are millions of Android Wear devices sold, and in the hands of people right now, so shall we assume they are all as confused?
I don't know myself, not having such a device, but I have to assume people who own these things, enjoy these things, are managing ok with them.
Likewise, of course, this is all early days and I'm sure user interfaces and what these devices can do and how they do it has a long way to go for everyone.
Are you assuming that, those who have these devices now, won't be upgrading them to new models as the UI is confusing?
Perhaps they will change to an Apple model or just won't buy one again if they feel such a device is up to them?
Guess we'll have to see if there is anything going on at all with the Android Wear sales figures if this is such a large issue.
For the record, iTunes is one of the most confusing and non intuitive pieces of software I have on my computer.
Aside from the fitness stuff, the only things that typically show on the Wear watches automatically are notifications. It is kinda hard to get lost in the OS as there really isn't a whole lot to it, imo. Seems like the Apple Watch could become more confusing with respect to where you are and what screens you should be expecting. I mean if you have a bunch of notifications do you have to keep exiting back to the home screen and select each app that is notifying you to get to the notifications? Or will it be more like Wear where all your notifications are shown on the screen and you swipe between them?
This URL gives a good explanation.
I can't believe the people here who are saying the Moto 360 looks like a cheap POS. It's made of metal, with a metal band, with a display that has almost no bezel. Compare that to the Apple Watch which has a plastic band, large bezel, and uses a mechanical crown to navigate. If you want to compare the two, compare the renders, because none of you have seen the Apple Watch in person. Renders always make the item look better than it really does. I will agree though that the leather band looks out of place where it meets the watch, but the metal band makes a huge difference.
As far as UI is concerned, I have never used an Android Wear device until I picked up the LG G Watch R a few days ago. It took me maybe 20 minutes to understand how to use it, now it's a piece of cake. There is no point comparing the two UIs as the Apple Watch again isn't out yet, and it may have changed since it's announcement months ago.
As far as UI is concerned, I have never used an Android Wear device until I picked up the LG G Watch R a few days ago. It took me maybe 20 minutes to understand how to use it, now it's a piece of cake. There is no point comparing the two UIs as the Apple Watch again isn't out yet, and it may have changed since it's announcement months ago.
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You're right, I had this image in my mind and thought the white plastic enclosed the body as well.
Moto 360 vs Watch Design. (Real photos)
Ummm, but there are rubber, leather AND metal bands. No plastic options available.
And the fact that the 360 has a chunk of its display cut off, shows that they either rushed it out the door, or they simply just don't care. It looks cheap and many agree.
Why should we compare only renders when at the beginning of this thread there are real life photos of both?
Ummm, but there are rubber, leather AND metal bands. No plastic options available.
And the fact that the 360 has a chunk of its display cut off, shows that they either rushed it out the door, or they simply just don't care. It looks cheap and many agree.
Why should we compare only renders when at the beginning of this thread there are real life photos of both?
I don't feel that is fair.
They wanted to offer a round screen with no bezel, and, when they looked at what screens were there in the market at the time they needed them, that was it.
That's like Saying Apple's watch is junk as it needs to be recharged every day and the MASSIVE bezel all around the screen shows it's a rushed product.
Like Motorola Apple had to pick what other companies could make at the right price and in the right numbers for Apple to use.
Or do you think Apple should just wait till better options are out there?
At what point do you say this is good enough?
Or do you release a product based upon what can be done now?
Apple's screen could be way way WAY better, but it's not.
I feel it is fair. The battery issue is one that faces all manufacturers and with current technology there is no way around it unless you want to offer a completely different experience, for example e-ink displays.
Rounded screens aren't completely possible yet (correct me if I'm wrong?) so why offer it? They wanted to offer a display that's round, but instead they only offered a display that is partly round. They could have gone doe other routes but chose not to. They are the only company facing this issue as everyone made adjustments (square, rectangular etc).
It's a major shortcoming that I feel was due to them either rushing it (to beat Apple) or simply not caring. That's my personal opinion.
I'd imagine most businesses wouldn't offer a half baked product if there was an available way around it. Clearly Motorola don't agree with me.
If you had to choose between the LG Watch R and the Moto360 (for a round watch) which would you choose and why?
This is idiotic thinking.
Was the iPad1 rushed to market as they did not have a better screen?
Was the iPhone 1 rushed to market?
Were the early cars rushed to market as they did not have fuel injection?
You can say that about almost ANY product now.
What should manufacturers do?
Wait till something is perfect before launch?
What's Perfect?
So Apple should have waited till they could of made the iPad Air2, iPhone6 etc etc and those should of been their 1st models?
I can think of many less than perfect aspects of the Apple Watch, and say they need to wait a few more years before launch
And, many people actually like the round screen.
Perhaps it's not absolutely perfect, but hey neither are you, or I.
Just think how Apple made the original Macintosh with that silly little less than perfect monochrome screen. Perhaps you should of told them they should of waiting till they could do an 8K colour widescreen before launching the 1st imac?
Was the iPad1 rushed to market as they did not have a better screen?
Was the iPhone 1 rushed to market?
Were the early cars rushed to market as they did not have fuel injection?
You can say that about almost ANY product now.
What should manufacturers do?
Wait till something is perfect before launch?
What's Perfect?
So Apple should have waited till they could of made the iPad Air2, iPhone6 etc etc and those should of been their 1st models?
I can think of many less than perfect aspects of the Apple Watch, and say they need to wait a few more years before launch
And, many people actually like the round screen.
Perhaps it's not absolutely perfect, but hey neither are you, or I.
Just think how Apple made the original Macintosh with that silly little less than perfect monochrome screen. Perhaps you should of told them they should of waiting till they could do an 8K colour widescreen before launching the 1st imac?
TBH I think that renders (which aren't actually renders, they are real photographs) of the Watch make it look like horse ****. The renders of the Moto 360 make it look fabulous.
However, photos of the 360 on people, in the wild, make it look hideous, large, and cheap. From the few photos I've seen of people wearing Watches, I can thankfully say that it is going to be a beautiful device. The design is very impressive, and photographs "in real life" reflect that much better than the marketing images give credit.
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The reason for this is they prioritized circular watch face over everything else. LG's circular watch doesn't have the 'flat tire' because they added a bezel to cover it up. Which looks fine when the display is showing an analog watch face but looks dumb when showing anything else.
The display being cut off is a software issue, nothing to do with the screen/hardware being available in the market at the time.
That's not what I understand the technical issue to be.
As I understood it, and I'll admit, I'm no expert here, is that for any LCD screen you need "Connectors" to feed the electrical signals to the pixels on the screen.
On a normal screen these are around the outside of the display.
If you produce a round screen, and don't want bezel all around the screen then the only other option was to place them all into one area, hence the black zone at the bottom as that is how it feeds the data to the screen.
Please correct me if I'm fundamentally wrong here, but that's my non technical understanding.
I think we all hope this can be overcome, even if you don't like the 360, it would be nice to be able to have edge to edge, pretty much no bezel full circles for displays in devices as an option.
I'm sure people as we speak are working out how to do this.
Perhaps they could add a really really tiny 0.5mm bezel around the whole screen which I'm sure would be fine.
Perhaps they can feed it from the rear of the display?
I'm sure this issue will be solved, and perhaps it is already solved.
It may just be a mass production issue.
Here's hoping for more choice both round and square for consumers in the future.
100% correct.
By opting for such a small bezel, there was no room for the connectors and rounded connectors take up more space. The "flat tire" foot at the bottom is the inlet containing those and an ambient light sensor.
The limit is not by software. There are many Android wear devices that are 100% circular.
Thanks for confirming this.
The "Display Driver" I believe is what they call what's in this area.
Personally, looking at it. I think it could of been done a little better.
Perhaps this area covered by very thin metal with a logo on it.
Imagine a Apple logo on a thin sheet over this zone, no one would of really complained then.
Or perhaps a touch ID area.
I think if this "zone" had been covered and used for a function or even used as part of the design, it would have vanished more than just being black screen area.
That, and improving the way the straps blend into the body (higher up, not at the bottom) would also have helped the looks greatly.
However, I have to give them credit. For a version 1 round watch, it's a very good start.
I'd like them to stick with it, and wild guess, by version 3 or 5 it could be a stunning product.
We just don't know if any of these things are going to sell in the numbers that would be needed for such mass investment, even Apple's one may be a damp squib long term after the initial obvious I MUST HAVE ONE customers have come and gone.
If only I had a time machine, I'd zoom off 10 years, come back and tell you what happened
That's not what people mean by text cutting off. Having the flat tire foot isn't an issue per se, but the text above the "flat tire" foot is still being cut off on the far sides and that's 100% controlled by software.
When most people say the display is cut off, they mean the text. The flat tire foot should only be a minor annoyance (no different from the thick antenna bands and protruding camera on the iPhone 6/6+).
What are you even talking about? When most people say "Display cut off" (which are your words exactly) in reference to the Moto 360, they are referring to the non-circular display in the circular casing and the foot that is cut directly out from the display.
Saying "Text cutting off" is a completely different thing and not what @Piggie or even a majority of criticism surrounding the 360's display have referred to. if anything, that has been pegged for a minor annoyance.
If you do a search a majority of posts talk about the text cutting off rather than the flat tire foot. But, I see your point, "the display is cut off" is ambiguous and can mean either so people should clarify what they're referring to.
Round or Square or Rectangular it does not matter.
Depending on how you choose to look at it, a circle can be larger than a square or smaller than a square, there is no exact answer.
This is very similar to how you choose to view a old style TV with a 4:3 screen or a modern TV with a 16:9 screen.
You CAN say the 16:9 is a BIGGER display as it has all the extra screen to the left and right that the old style 4:3 screen does not have.
So you see 16:9 as a positive thing, you get more, it's better.
Or you CAN say the 16:9 is a SMALLER display, as all they have done is taken a old style 4:3 screen and cropped off the top and bottom of the screen, so you can now see less than before.
Neither is right or wrong, it's just how you decide to see it.
The old, if my glass half empty or half full viewpoint.
One could say a round screen gives you more screen area, and, given a well designed UI for a round screen. Which I'll admit we've not seen yet, a Round screen gives you many potential benefits.
You can also say a round screen is smaller and has less room to display things.
Apple could of gone either way, but played it safe.
Fact: People who love Apple would be backing whatever shape Apple went with, which is why many are rubbishing the idea of round.
I'd like to see both on offer to customers, and new UI's specifically designed for both.
I think you have a LOT more scope to be more imaginative and less mundane on a round display, text can rotate around the screen, the display could rotate to look right at any angle.
There would be a lot of very interesting potential if someone does it well and I'd love to see it in the future.
Depending on how you choose to look at it, a circle can be larger than a square or smaller than a square, there is no exact answer.
This is very similar to how you choose to view a old style TV with a 4:3 screen or a modern TV with a 16:9 screen.
You CAN say the 16:9 is a BIGGER display as it has all the extra screen to the left and right that the old style 4:3 screen does not have.
So you see 16:9 as a positive thing, you get more, it's better.
Or you CAN say the 16:9 is a SMALLER display, as all they have done is taken a old style 4:3 screen and cropped off the top and bottom of the screen, so you can now see less than before.
Neither is right or wrong, it's just how you decide to see it.
The old, if my glass half empty or half full viewpoint.
One could say a round screen gives you more screen area, and, given a well designed UI for a round screen. Which I'll admit we've not seen yet, a Round screen gives you many potential benefits.
You can also say a round screen is smaller and has less room to display things.
Apple could of gone either way, but played it safe.
Fact: People who love Apple would be backing whatever shape Apple went with, which is why many are rubbishing the idea of round.
I'd like to see both on offer to customers, and new UI's specifically designed for both.
I think you have a LOT more scope to be more imaginative and less mundane on a round display, text can rotate around the screen, the display could rotate to look right at any angle.
There would be a lot of very interesting potential if someone does it well and I'd love to see it in the future.
I chose the Moto 360 based on looks. I like the LG R, but I liked the no bezel look of the Moto 360 better. The LG G Watch R, is a nice looking watch as well.