Motorola 7457 in Q4 2003

[Dont Hurt Me]

Originally posted by soggywulf
Oh yeah? well.... well.... Who cares about games anyway? Games are for babies!

The only ones that dont care for games are dried up old prunes who are living in retirement homes. I'm 42 yrs old,wife 41, and my wife, me and kids all game on are mac's every night so get off the macs are not for gaming garbage and take yourself to inside mac gaming for some enlightment! The new macs do play games and are getting only better. sorry for off topic post.

 

[soggywulf]

What kind of Mac do you have, Don't Hurt Me?

 

[isgoed]

Glad this deviated to Gaming. Four points:

1 While the top of the line has a Radeon 9700, it is only AGP 4X. That is just stupid. Many parts in the PowerMac are not high quality while you pay a high quality price.

2 I have a real budget athlon 1.2Ghz (not even XP) for only 900$ including a Geforce 4 titanium. With this system I can play every game at max quality @ 1024x768. I am talking Need For speed Hor Pursuit II / UT2003 / Black hawk down. Put A geforce Ti / FX5600 / Ati9500 in a iMac and Gameperformance is extreme. I would really want to see a GameMac, the gMac with upgradable parts (videocard / processor / ram / HD)

3 OSX does lack game support. As a developer I know. Where is the support for (net/sound/input/draw-sprocket). And why is OpenGL the only descent graphics Lib? Quark is sooo slow. And OpenGl is not suitable for 2D.

4 OSX is the slowest OS. Why did they even bother to make that stupid bouncing-loading animation. I just want textedit to open immediately. OS9 and Windows can do it. I even play American MCGee's allice (Quake3_engine) in OS9 instead of OSX because it is faster and more stable

 

[RogueLdr]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Hey, lighten up guys & gals

soggywulf,

As far as VPN clients are concerned, I use VPN Client 3.7.3(A) from Cisco Systems on a G4 running OS X v.10.2.6. (And, for what it's worth, you can create a VPN connection with Internet Connect which comes with OS X.)

 

[NW80pdx]

970s...

This processor will not end up being announced at WWDC. its the wrong stage for such an event, this year at WWDC, Apple is showing us 10.3 and maybe a few new software products.. WWDC is a developers conference. we all know at some point there will be a new processor from either IBM, or Motorola, however just not at this time.

 

[Dont Hurt Me]

Originally posted by soggywulf
What kind of Mac do you have, Don't Hurt Me?

800 powermac/10.2.6 with a geforce 3 and a gig of memory. It is able to run UT2003 on the inside levels but go outside and its to much at 800x600. Plays wolfenstein,fine, medal of honor well but a little laggy, Nascar 2002 usually run it at low detail with 13 other cars on the track. My family are all gamers and my son plays warcraft3 fine on it.

 

[soggywulf]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hey, lighten up guys & gals

Originally posted by RogueLdr
soggywulf,

As far as VPN clients are concerned, I use VPN Client 3.7.3(A) from Cisco Systems on a G4 running OS X v.10.2.6. (And, for what it's worth, you can create a VPN connection with Internet Connect which comes with OS X.)

Hey , cool... Can you VPN to a hardware-token-based entry point? Like, SecureID from RSA?

 

[soggywulf]

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
800 powermac/10.2.6 with a geforce 3 and a gig of memory. It is able to run UT2003 on the inside levels but go outside and its to much at 800x600. Plays wolfenstein,fine, medal of honor well but a little laggy, Nascar 2002 usually run it at low detail with 13 other cars on the track. My family are all gamers and my son plays warcraft3 fine on it.

I guess it's in the eye of the beholder, as I mentioned before. My Mac is almost identical to yours (867/10.2.6/1gig/geforce3), yet I find my Mac's game performance to be horrendous. In particular, Jedi Knight 2 and Warbirds 3. You can download Warbirds 3 for free to play offline, if you would like to check it out...www.warbirdsiii.com

No matter though, these new 970s should kick some serious ass. I hope the rumors pan out.

 

[ColoJohnBoy]

Perhaps with the threat of Apple moving entirely to IBM chips, Moto will get in gear and start producing chips as quickly as they should be. It might be nice to see a G4 based iBook, or Tablet of some sort. But only if Moto shapes up.'


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[3.1416]

Originally posted by isgoed
While the top of the line has a Radeon 9700, it is only AGP 4X. That is just stupid.

AGP 8x has virtually no benefit over 4x. See http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,640194,00.asp

And why is OpenGL the only descent graphics Lib?

What do you want, Direct3D? OpenGL is a fine library, and there are wrappers for it like SDL.

Quark is sooo slow. And OpenGl is not suitable for 2D.

You mean "Quartz", I assume. And OpenGL can be used for 2d, look at the dissolving slide show screensavers.

I even play American MCGee's allice (Quake3_engine) in OS9 instead of OSX because it is faster and more stable

One buggy program does not mean that the OS is to blame.

 

[rjstanford]

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
800 powermac/10.2.6 with a geforce 3 and a gig of memory. It is able to run UT2003 on the inside levels but go outside and its to much at 800x600. Plays wolfenstein,fine, medal of honor well but a little laggy, Nascar 2002 usually run it at low detail with 13 other cars on the track. My family are all gamers and my son plays warcraft3 fine on it.

And that's the big difference.

Any halfway decent $1000 Dell will be able to play those same games with high detail, with no lag, and ad significantly higher resolutions than 800X600. Seriously. I mean, I love Macs, I'm posting this on a Mac as we speak, but please stop defending their game performance. Even the apple.com site that has quake 1024X768 framerate numbers just shows how low they are in comparison to bargain basement PC hardware these days.

Can it play the game? Sure. Can it play it well (as in, taking advantage of everything the game designers put into the game)? Not really.

-Richard

 

[hacurio1]

Originally posted by soggywulf
The difference between 95% CPU utilization and 99% utilization should not account for any perceptible speed difference...

Well, yes if aqua and the finder in OS X use a lot more resources than the finder in OS 9. I bet OS X uses at least 15-40% more resources that 9, so even if the CPU is idle other system resources are used. OS X is a great and smooth OS, but it is a lot heavier than OS 9; therefore, we need faster hardware. The G4 was ok for OS 9, but X it’s in another league.

 

[RogueLdr]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hey, lighten up guys & gals

Originally posted by soggywulf
Hey , cool... Can you VPN to a hardware-token-based entry point? Like, SecureID from RSA?

I haven't had to use these features, but I did find references to their use on cicso's pages:http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products...tion_guide_chapter09186a008015cfdc.html#41800 Maybe that will help?

 

[soggywulf]

Thx for that info Wedge. Unfortunately, it looks like it won't work since we use a Nortel gateway, not a Cisco one:

The Cisco VPN Client is compatible with the following Cisco products:

Cisco VPN 3000 Series Concentrator Software Version 3.0 and later

Cisco VPN 3000 Series Concentrators

Cisco IOS Software Releases 12.2(8)T and later

Cisco PIX Firewall Software Version 6.0 and later

However, this prompted me to check Nortel's site, and to my amazement they in fact do offer a VPN client for both 9 and X!

http://www130.nortelnetworks.com/cgi-bin/eserv/cs/main.jsp?cscat=software&tranProduct=10621

So I stand corrected on the VPN issue. Too bad I can't download the client for free, or I'd try it right now. Really...why make people pay for the client SW, when it only works with the gateway you are selling for many tens of thousands??