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Motorola Files Suit Against Apple for Patent Infringement

This is all for making the lawyers rich. It does nothing to stimulate creativity, innovation or advancements. Patents should be abolished. If you don't bring the product to market and succeed in the market then boo-hoo to you. I speak as a successful inventor. I brought my products to market. I did not patent them. Instead I developed the products, build manufacturing, built sales and marketing, made product and made money. That is how it should be. All this patent garbage is destroying creativity. The very worst is the patents on life, closely followed by patents on software. Ideas are a dime a dozen. It is actually producing that matters.
 
Nice diagrams!

Mine is a bit more realistic though...

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I'd really like to read more specific details about what Motorola is actually suing for, because a lot of their claims don't make a whole lot of sense.

Things like wcdma, gprs, 802.11 are licensed by the chip makers from my understanding, and then location based services, proximity sensing and multi device synchronization aren't exactly patentable as they are simply ideas, you can only patent specific implementations of an idea.
 
So they all steal ideas from each other. What started this? One company had the temerity to suggest they were not and sued another. Then of course it becomes tit for tat. To not sue another is an admission of guilt in a twisted sort of way.
 
Irony is that by the time these actually reach court and go through the appeals process I doubt most of the tech would still be in use.
I'm just curious who invented what in all this? Who stole from who? Did anyone steal anything?
How long do these things take to go through the US courts anyway?
 
Amnesia87 said:
I'd really like to read more specific details about what Motorola is actually suing for, because a lot of their claims don't make a whole lot of sense.

Things like wcdma, gprs, 802.11 are licensed by the chip makers from my understanding, and then location based services, proximity sensing and multi device synchronization aren't exactly patentable as they are simply ideas, you can only patent specific implementations of an idea.
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Being licensed by the chip makers doesn't necessarily insulate downstream users.

The patents claim specific ways of providing location based services, proximity sensing, etc., not the general ideas of doing these things. (though the first person to come up with the idea of providing location based services could have patented it if it wasn't an obvious combination of ideas that had already existed:

We claim:

A method of operating a device, comprising:
obtaining a geographic location;
changing a state of said device in response to said geographic location; and
indicating said change of state to the operator of said device.
 
epictempo said:
What a shame, I grew up loving Nokias and now they're just plain desperate.
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I would say a combination of desperation and protecting what they believe is rightfully their IP.

Some of the newer players are coming in and using/borrowing/stealing Nokia's IP. Whether their doing it intentionally or not, Nokia has the right to seek compensation.

Even if Nokia was raking in the dough, I still believe they would be suing.
You have to protect your IP or risk losing it forever.
 
What happend when every patent is enforced? Well, its called caos.

Patents are only good for war, for attacking or defending. Nothing more. And in the middle, lawyers rejoice!
 
I'm all for patentable technology, but sometimes patents can get a little out of hand, especially when they're based on software or concepts generally thought to be obvious. That chart is a mess. Unfortunately, as the adage goes, you can't live with them, and you can't live without them. I don't think copyright is a viable alternative either; in my opinion that's even more broken than the patent system.
 
Can someone with too much time redo the same chart but make each companies shape proportional to their value and see if we can spot any trends.

e.g Apple being the largest circle :cool:
 
One point, if I may: NOBODY CARES!

These lawsuits get announced then that's the last we hear of them. Apple is probably suing and being sued by 50+ companies at any one time. It's called a crap justice system.

Try doing all those lawsuits over here in the UK - they would be laughed out of court!
 
koruki said:
Can someone with too much time redo the same chart but make each companies shape proportional to their value and see if we can spot any trends.

e.g Apple being the largest circle :cool:
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Market Cap is irrelevant.

Most of these companies manufacture a host of products not related to the mobile phone industry.

Nokia still sells more phones than any other company in the world.
The only place they are losing share is in the smart-phone sector.
Which when you look at the bigger picture, dumb phones still make up 70+% of the entire mobile phone market right now.

They also make a majority of all the cell tower equipment in use by nearly every major carrier in the world today.
 
rjohnstone said:
Market Cap is irrelevant.

Most of these companies manufacture a host of products not related to the mobile phone industry.

Nokia still sells more phones than any other company in the world.
The only place they are losing share is in the smart-phone sector.
Which when you look at the bigger picture, dumb phones still make up 70+% of the entire mobile phone market right now.

They also make a majority of all the cell tower equipment in use by nearly every major carrier in the world today.
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Dumb phones make up ~70% of the mobile market, but they also account for something ridiculous like ~10% of revenue/profit lol. There is a reason that while apple has less market share they are generating more profits/revenue than ALL the other phone companies combined (both smart and dumbphones)
 
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