Remember apple also does not have any patents in the pool like others do.
EDGE is based off of GPRS and that is still a in use.
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Motorola Requested 2.25% Patent Licensing Royalty on iPhone Purchases
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Why this case takes me to the Nokia case? Perhaps because I can read the same wrong arguments that were said then?
Well, the iPhone is lots of things. It is a complete iPod Classic, it is a tiny portable computer, a small games console, and, by the way, it also makes phone calls. So if you defined first what the value of the phone component of the iPhone is, then you could take a percentage of that. But I suppose Motorola wants 2.25% of the purchase price of the whole iPhone.
I would hope very much that Apple wouldn't pay for any FRAUD patents
As far as FRAND patents are concerned, the patent owner has a duty to license them under reasonable terms, and it is obvious that Apple doesn't have to and isn't going to pay if the patent owner only offers terms that are not reasonable. In the Nokia case, it was Apple _and_ Nokia that settled. The exact amount was not disclosed, but we know that an FRAND "reasonable" number would easily be nine digits due to the huge number of iPhones sold with no license to non-FRAND Apple patents, and we know that Nokia received a nine digit number with no license to non-FRAND Apple patents (enough to get them out of the red in that quarter, but not enough to create a huge black number).
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I'm sure they do. Because I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter "how much" of the device is used for what. It could never be determined. I know people that use their iPhones for just calls and emails. Others who don't even make calls (or very few) and use it for Apps.
If the device incorporates the technology - the device is "liable"
Motorola is a has-been that has now been relegated to coasting on patents. Another victim of June 2007. They are of no account. I wonder if Google plans to use them as something more than a $12 billion legal weapon to wield at competitors, since apparently the legitimacy of most of Android seems to be increasingly in question these days.
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I assume you just mean the mobility division of Motorola. And call them whatever you want - if it weren't for them, you wouldn't have your precious iPhone. And if Google uses them to fight a patent war against competitors - it's their right since they are buying them. If this were Apple and they bought patents you would be defending Apple to the corp. Motorola's place in the current market has nothing to do with the VALIDITY of their patents.
You want people to respect Steve and all he did for the world from now until the end of time? Why not show the same respect to the engineers and minds at Motorola for everything they did. Or are you admitting to complete hypocrisy?
Google will own their patents & IP which makes it a significant arsenal in this silly war. Google are not stupid with acquisitions. Apple will know only too well about Motorola seeing as they illegally stole their ideas:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/03/motorola-wins-permanent-injunction-against-apples-icloud-in-ger/
Read the quote, Motorola innovated, Apple stole & must pay. Google knows this & could possibly thread out a deal whereby they gain access to some of Apple's patents in some kind of cross-licensing arrangement.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/03/motorola-wins-permanent-injunction-against-apples-icloud-in-ger/
Read the quote, Motorola innovated, Apple stole & must pay. Google knows this & could possibly thread out a deal whereby they gain access to some of Apple's patents in some kind of cross-licensing arrangement.
This isn't the Motorola of 30 years ago, nor is it 30 years ago. Time to move on.
Nor do I particularly care at this point that Moto invented the mobile phone technology or whatever the hell they did. That isn't helping them NOW, nor do consumers give a sweet damn about it. What Moto did in the caveman days of consumer mobile tech is irrelevant. Barely anyone remembers. And why should they? Moto is just another dinosaur that deals more in patents than great products.
The real tragedy here is that Sanjay Jha is still CEO *and* Chairman. Not that it really matters at this point.
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So if Daimler Benz decides to sell a car with built-in phone, you think Motorola should get 2.25% of the purchase price?
Apple was not trying to avoid paying FRAND patent fees. Apple went to court against Nokia because they believed that Nokia was charging Apple more than what they charge other people. Apple wanted a deal similar to what everybody else was getting.
Irrelevant in your world perhaps. Do you have any idea how many patents Motorola has in terms of cell phone technology? thousands upon thousands. All original ideas. And not even 1% have been utilized. Many are still extremely forward thinking and haven't been adopted (yet) but could and should be in the future. Just because you call them a dinosaur or fail to think they are relevant doesn't make it a fact. It only shows your ignorance and inability to see anyone other than Apple as relevant.
And it is or will be helping them now. Those patents. Years of being innovative - they are paying off by being able to claim ownership and getting paid for them. How is that not a payoff?
Again I say - You want people to respect Steve and all he did for the world from now until the end of time? Why not show the same respect to the engineers and minds at Motorola for everything they did. Or are you admitting to complete hypocrisy? Are you saying that in 10, 20, 30 years we can call Steve a dinosaur, that he is irrelevant? I thought not.
What Apple said and what Apple really was doing are two different things. Apple more or less did not response to Nokia until you noticed Nokia sued them.
Apple has been and continuing to play a dangerous game. They are hoping they can hold onto the money as long as possible and gain the interested off of it that they keep. If they loss in court it will be a lot uglier for Apple because they not only have to pay all the money they owe, legal fees, and interested payments north of what they were gaining on saving it in the bank.
It will be a good 9 figure settlement.
What Apple wants is a low to lower rate than everyone else with out putting any patents in the pool. Does not work that way. Apple is a new player to the cell phone market and as such it they do not have many of the key patents.
Didn't you read LTD's posts on this page? It doesn't matter that Apple doesn't have any key patents. They are relevant. And Motorola isn't! LOL!!!!
Maybe they could use some of them to make products that don't suck.
Never mind, I have a better idea. They could give them to Apple and have *them* do it.
Patents are paper. But they need to make money somehow, right?
They don't have to do anything with them. They can sit pretty and just keep suing Apple if they want. Just because you don't like it doesn't matter. Just like Apple doesn't have to give to charity or care about anyone else but themselves. Motorola is a business - and if they can make money suing for violations of their patents - good for them. You should be happy, LTD - they are doing exactly what you think companies should do. Taking care of their own best interests...
I have absolutely no problem with that. In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing Moto adopt this as their long-term strategy. It's quite fitting.
The market and consumers will render their judgment. And they are.
The question is - why does it "offend" you so much that they put out products. You'd never buy one anyway - so why so upset or "annoyed" with them? Why do you care what they do?
Upset? It's pure comedy. It's always amusing to see industry giants (former) not "get" the obvious.
I'd say that has more to do with their high subsidy levels from the carriers and the profit sharing agreement they had with AT&T.