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Except corporate profit and revenue doesn't really matter to us consumers. In a sense, it's a sign that Apple is gouging the consumer, using marketing to push some kind of perception of value that isn't there and riding a wave of hype into the consumer's hand.

Isn't is possible that profitability it just a very clear indication that consumers desire the product more?

If profitability could be achieved by some kind of marketing sleight-of-hand, then surely other manufacturers would succeed in doing the same?

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Except corporate profit and revenue doesn't really matter to us consumers. In a sense, it's a sign that Apple is gouging the consumer, using marketing to push some kind of perception of value that isn't there and riding a wave of hype into the consumer's hand.

A company makes profit if they sell for more than their cost. The sale price is based on the perceived value of the product to the customer. The perceived value is also related to competition; having a competitor sell an equivalent product for less drops the perceived value of your product. The cost is based on how much hardware is needed for the product, and efficiency in the total chain turning the hardware into a product that is handed to the customer.

In Apple's case, profits are high because the difference between perceived value and cost is high, which in turn is the case mostly because the perceived value is high. Now you claim that this is because of "marketing to push some kind of perception of value that isn't there" and "riding a wave of hype". I find this a rather stupid assumption. Much more likely is that your perception of value is very much different from that of the average customer, and that you can't see past your own perception. Much more likely than 200 million iOS users and 20 million iPad users all falling for some stupid marketing tricks.


Isn't is possible that profitability it just a very clear indication that consumers desire the product more?

More than other products that are just as expensive to develop, build and sell. Making a desirable product doesn't make it profitable. Some banks found that mortgages for people who can't afford to pay them back are a very, very desirable product; unfortunately not a profitable one :)
 
Making a desirable product doesn't make it profitable.

Desirability is just short-hand for higher-perceived-value. Obviously the ratio of perceived value to production cost determines actual profitability.

The problem for Android devices, which they share with Windows PCs is that all manufacturers share the same software pool. Which means they cannot effectively compete with one another, on anything other than hardware specification and price.

This inevitably ends in a race to the bottom, with ever reducing margins.

Healthy levels of profits are always going to be elusive for manufacturers who outsource their software production to external companies.


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In Apple's case, profits are high because the difference between perceived value and cost is high, which in turn is the case mostly because the perceived value is high. Now you claim that this is because of "marketing to push some kind of perception of value that isn't there" and "riding a wave of hype". I find this a rather stupid assumption. Much more likely is that your perception of value is very much different from that of the average customer, and that you can't see past your own perception. Much more likely than 200 million iOS users and 20 million iPad users all falling for some stupid marketing tricks.

You're saying that Apple isn't a master marketeer ? Seriously, all the praises of their marketing and brand building on MR is pure bunk ?

Apple is the very best at building "brand awareness" or do you not see how people are right now buying up iPods because "I want an iPod", not because "I want a PMP". Let's face it, they're all pretty much equivalent these days, be it a Sony Walkman, a Zune or an iPod. Apple just built a brand and can sell their products for more because they have created demand based on that brand.

That halo effect then applies to other products. Look at some people here on this very forum, they won't buy stuff that doesn't have an Apple on it. It's not "I want a tablet to read books on, read and write e-mails on, browse the web", because those tablets are a dime a dozen. It's "I want an iPad".

That drives up perceived value, because then it's not the product that has an actual value it's the branding on it. And with such value tacked on, Apple manages to make bigger margins.

How inflated are their margins based on brand value vs actual product value ? Who knows, I can tell you though, there's a reason they make more profits than anyone else and that is very much a wave of hype over the brand.

Call it stupid all you want, people do buy and want Apple gear because it is Apple gear, not because it is inherently better as a product and that is what I refer to when I say "Wave of hype".
 
Call it stupid all you want, people do buy and want Apple gear because it is Apple gear, not because it is inherently better as a product and that is what I refer to when I say "Wave of hype".

This is the "people are stupid" theory explaining Apple's success. It's a not a very substantial argument. Why don't other companies sell to this gigantic crowd of stupids? Why is Apple alone able to tap into their wallets?

Apple *are* great at communicating a message to consumers. But the truth is the message would not succeed if their products were weak. You can hype a band, but if their music sucks, the attraction fades after the first single.

Apple's advertising gets people to look at the product. Whether they choose to buy is based upon their appraisal of the product itself, and whether they think it is worth the asking price.

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They did, the Wi-fi only model started shipping late march for 599$ :

http://www.amazon.com/MOTOROLA-XOOM-Android-Tablet-Wi-Fi/dp/B0045FM6SU

That's with 32 GB of storage, so it's the same price as the iPad 32GB Wi-fi. However, it does allow extra storage expansion, so it makes it quite competitive on that front. However, Motorola needs to climb the hype hill Apple has made with the iPad, where people don't actually want tablets to run tasks, they simply want an iPad.
This is pretty pathetic on Motorola's advertising department.
I have only seen the Verizon version in Best Buy and Costco.
No mention was ever made of the WiFi only unit in any advertising I've seen.
The ONLY ads I've ever seen on TV for the Xoom were for the Verizon one. This was one of the major factors in why I never looked at them any further.
 
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