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Just to be clear on "while using the app".
Does this mean just closing the app, or do I have to actually quit the app (swipe up)? I wonder if many people actually quit the app after use or just click the home button (or whatever it is you click on the iPhoneX) and still have it running in the background
 
Say the company is hacked. If you pick up your kids after a movie, go for a psychiatric visit that people didn’t know you were seeing. The hackers or even shady people that legitimately buy the data can use the data nefariously.

Say the FBI wants to see what movies you watch. Instead of following you around in a car, they subpoena MoviePass.

You can live your life in fear, or you can realize that nobody really is that interested in what a specific individual does. There is almost no commercial value in individual information unless you're really wealthy. And even then the value is unclear.
 
We watch how you drive from home to the movies. We watch where you go afterwards Or companies like Facebook -- it's free, but they're monetizing all the advertising and all the data about you. That's exactly what we are [doing].

That's exactly why I'll never, ever, will make use of these kind of services.
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You can live your life in fear, or you can realize that nobody really is that interested in what a specific individual does. There is almost no commercial value in individual information unless you're really wealthy. And even then the value is unclear.

In many cases it is about the individual, it's not relevant if one person is really wealthy or not, it's about influence one person based on his or her interest. Google for a specific brand and product and you'll see advertisements of the same kind of products the next few days.

One could argue that this has advantages as well, meaning, if you're interested in one kind of specific product then why not embrace advertisement of products you might actually like or have some interest in? Well, the same method is used on how people consume news. When clicking on certain type of news topics you might end up with getting the same kind of news, written in the same style. Same story, why would this be bad since you're interested in specific news? You could save yourself lot's of time browsing news articles you don't like anyway....

Well, in my humble opinion, forming a solid opinion about news and/or get a good balanced idea on what products are good relies more on seeing different aspects, viewpoints and different experiences rather then the suggestions that will be presented to you without you having to investigate yourself. If you rely only on what commercial companies will bring forward, if this concerns news or product reviews, then you might end up with having a very simplistic one dimensional view or experience which I consider to be a huge stand-in-the-way to enrich yourself in various ways that could make your life richer.
 
Actually Moviepass doesn't have the power you think they do. They can be shut down very easily. The card they are using is like any other credit card.. HOWEVER, the little 1's and 0's can be blocked by the theaters. This is how AMC accomplished their block at their high traffic locations. Even small town theaters in my area have flat out told me they have blocked that card as well. Very very easy to do! These guys are also bypassing Apple's subscription based services which is also a no no, so Apple gets zero dollars from them. All in all, they are very shady and I wouldn't put any trust in their business model.


You have no idea what you're talking about. AMC didn't block Moviepass from their high traffic locations, it was the other way around. Moviepass is showing AMC it's got the power to re-direct their customer to their competitors if AMC doesn't play ball with Moviepass.
 
No need to worry, folks.

Tim Cook will summon Mitch Lowe to Cupertino, give him a scolding, and make him pinky swear that MoviePass won't stalk its users. All will be well, as Travis Kalanick will vouch.

You know that saying, "if it's too good to be true..."

Cheap movies are tempting, as as cheap rides, but MP seems to be thrive on being involved in shenanigans like that ride sharing company some may have heard of.

That's not to say it has gone, or will go, to the same lengths, but the company leadership seems to give off the same stench and be cut from a common cloth.

Caveat emptor.
 
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The more data you have out there, the more convincing an identity thief can be, and the more under the radar they can be before you realize that anything is wrong. Correlating seemingly disparate data is a key ingredient to effective identity theft.

As I mentioned in another reply, at some point MoviePass will come to terms with the fact that the big theater chains are not going to buy their data, so they'll have to sell it to someone. What if that someone is, say, the government? They don't have anything to sell you but they'd sure value personal data on the citizenry. I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any stretch of the imagination, but aside from not wanting my personal info and location history to be available to corporations, I especially don't want that info to be easily available to any government agency that wants it.

And spare me your 'If you have nothing to hide ...' arguments. Example. You live in California or Colorado and smoke a bit of weed. The feds decide to exercise their muscle and bust casual weed smokers under federal laws that (they think, or want to test) conflict with state laws. Do you want the government to know you've visited the dispensary down the street every Tuesday at 2 pm for the last two months?

This type of data collection and use isn't necessarily about what's happening here and now, but the climate of things in the future. There are states in the US that are very much (for example) anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-whatever, and allowing rampant personal data collection, especially location and spending habits, give whatever oppressors there might be fuel for whatever lame-brained schemes they come up with.

It's not limited to governments, either. You could, say, be turned down for a job before you even interview with a place because of where you live, where you shop, what your hobbies are, etc., stuff that's nobody's business.


They don't want to sell your data to big theater chains, they want to sell your data to movie studios, uber and restaurants.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/features...ollywood-studios-restaurants-to-make-a-profit
 
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Actually, they provide you with theatre locations that you can use with MoviePass. You choose a theatre and a movie, and then it sends the amount of your ticket to a linked debit card that you then use to pay.

So it's not location-aware for no reason, it's location aware so it can find a MoviePass vetted theatre near you.


I see. Thank you for the clarification.
 
Movie pass is horrible! I canceled it before I even used it to purchase a movie ticket. The process was such a pain.
We have four year-long memberships in the family and I also bought membership for my 14-year-old niece. We go out for movie night twice a month with MoviePass and have been doing so since September of last year. We have had no issues. Purchasing a ticket is too simple and takes each of us less than a minute to do in the app. Even my 14-year-old niece is able to do it with no problems. I don’t understand how so many of you find the process so difficult.
Er.... how is it a pain? Pick theater, pick movie, pick time, hit "check in", and then use the card to buy the ticket like any other credit/debit card. So simple it's a joke (kinda like your analogy which makes about zero sense!).
Right?! Yeah, I don’t get some people. I’m very happy with the service and I recommend it to everyone. Those who can’t follow simple instructions should probably avoid.
 
It appears we have many paranoid and unhappy people here.

Amazed at how many say "I will never use a service like this". Do those people think they have made some earth shattering statement or stand?
 
I think you have your facts a little off about the high traffic AMC theaters.

Also, why would any theater block them when they're getting full value from MoviePass?
Nope, those are the actual facts. I've been in the movie biz for 16 years. Still have plenty of friends who have brought this up. I could go into more detail but there's no way I'm posting that type of information on the forum.. but long story short.. theaters technically get "full" value but again.. I use "full" very very loosely and I'll leave it at that.
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You have no idea what you're talking about. AMC didn't block Moviepass from their high traffic locations, it was the other way around. Moviepass is showing AMC it's got the power to re-direct their customer to their competitors if AMC doesn't play ball with Moviepass.
That is incorrect.
 
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What happened to the internet mantra if it’s free, you are the product. Why would I want to pay a subscription fee to allow them to profit off my use.

Because they're providing you with unlimited movies for the (low) cost of the subscription. Your question is pretty silly, like asking why you'd allow a car leasing company to profit off the money you pay them; you're getting something out of the deal.

Say the company is hacked. If you pick up your kids after a movie, go for a psychiatric visit that people didn’t know you were seeing. The hackers or even shady people that legitimately buy the data can use the data nefariously. Even if you don’t do something illegal, why would you want strangers to have this information and still have them charge you while they rake in the $$?

If you're that paranoid about what they're seeing, why would you keep your iOS privacy settings for the MoviePass app set to allow them to see where you're at?

I really don't think a lot of people understand how this stuff works--of course MP wants your location data, but it takes about three clicks to keep them from getting it.
 
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What happened to the internet mantra if it’s free, you are the product. Why would I want to pay a subscription fee to allow them to profit off my use.
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Say the company is hacked. If you pick up your kids after a movie, go for a psychiatric visit that people didn’t know you were seeing. The hackers or even shady people that legitimately buy the data can use the data nefariously. Even if you don’t do something illegal, why would you want strangers to have this information and still have them charge you while they rake in the $$?

But the chances of this actually happening are so small... The cliche risk comparison: I'm more likely to be hit by a semi-truck running a red light, so should I just stay home?
 
$8 a month for unlimited movies? Sure, track me when I use the app. I don't care. They're giving me an unbeatable service. The best service I've ever signed up for.
 
Nope, those are the actual facts. I've been in the movie biz for 16 years. Still have plenty of friends who have brought this up. I could go into more detail but there's no way I'm posting that type of information on the forum.. but long story short.. theaters technically get "full" value but again.. I use "full" very very loosely and I'll leave it at that.
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That is incorrect.
I'm almost positive the original poster is correct as that is what ALL the media reports say. From what I understand, AMC CANNOT legally block MP as it a Debit Mastercard and subject to their contractual agreement with Mastercard. They can however, not allow you to user THEIR AMC Stubs rewards program with those transactions, which is what they have done.
 
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One of the best purchases I've ever made. I got in on a sale they were having for $6.95/mo. That means I have to go to the movies only about 7 times to make my money back. This is a no brainer for me. They can collect all the data they want. I mean everyone else is doing it....:)
And it only cost you your privacy!
 
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One of the best purchases I've ever made. I got in on a sale they were having for $6.95/mo. That means I have to go to the movies only about 7 times to make my money back. This is a no brainer for me. They can collect all the data they want. I mean everyone else is doing it....:)
I'm with you! Before Movie Pass, I saw at least 3 to 4 movies a month, and it cost me $50-100. It's an amazing deal, and I have no problem sharing my location with them. (I don't understand people's paranoia about having an app track their location. As the article points out, just turn the location settings to "While using the app.")
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They can however, not allow you to user THEIR AMC Stubs rewards program with those transactions, which is what they have done.
I use my AMC rewards program along with Movie Pass, and it works just fine. I just scan my card at the ticket kiosk, pay with my MP card, and it logs my points.
 
Ok, but let's think about this. We're not talking abut identity theft. What is the harm with sharing personal data? Sure, I can see some folks value their privacy (for various reasons), but outside of conspiracy theories and insecurity, who cares that they know where you went to eat, etc.? It will be used for targeted marketing, which is already happening via Chrome and lots of other apps. I just don't see the REAL harm in this tracking. I may be looking at this too simply, so please enlighten (and scare) me!

Based on the very light responses, I would judge that folks are complaining but don't have any real basis. Sorry, but peronsal data tracking and sharing is the norm these days (FB, Twitter, Chrome, Amazon, ebay, etc.). Might as well get some benefit out of it!
 
U don’t even have to buy a movie ticket. Just click on the movie u want to watch. And it loads the actual price of movie ticket into the card. If there is subway next door or whatever. U can buy urself a sandwich and not attend the movie.

It shows what store the money was charged to. MoviePass will revoke your membership pretty fast if you do this since it is obviously fraud on your part. They went through and banned a lot of users in early February.
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The only question I have about MoviePass is how to they prevent fraud.

They authorize an amount on the card, but what's to stop you from, say, buying a candy bar instead of your ticket? That's assuming that the candy bar costs less than your ticket, which may or may not be true depending on the theatre. I mean, you're not going to make money selling candy bars when you get one a day.

How do they prevent you from getting a cash refund at the theatre? You could slowly extract money from MP by buying and refunding tickets.

They put a set amount on the card depending what theatre you are at. I have noticed it loads $18 to some theaters and as low as $12 for others. Once you make the ticket purchase it will unload the remaining few dollars back to MP. If you make the charge at some other location they will revoke your card. Some people have been getting banned for buying candy inside since it shows as a concessions charge. Others are reporting that when they have to buy their movie ticket at the concession stand they have not gotten banned so they must manually review the charges.

The way that people get banned wrongly is when the ticket agents do the charge incorrectly. Let's say you have 2 people with MoviePass and they don't split the charge amongst the 2 cards, it will show that on the transaction. Let’s say the ticket is $14, so one card will be charged $18 while the second is charged $10. Even though MP is being charged the same amount of money it is flagged as a fraudulent charge because the full amount was denied on that first card swipe. So it is best to buy your tickets one at a time because once they ban you that is it. Even if you didn’t do anything wrong and may not even know this is happening.
 
LOL at the update - I’m getting tired of companies claiming targeted ads are “enhancing our experience”. Just tell it like it is - we need to make money so we have to show you ads. TV and radio stations never claimed ads existed to enhance our viewing or listening experiences...
 
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You know, i like a company that's up front with what it does, even if we may not agree with it..
 
You know, i like a company that's up front with what it does, even if we may not agree with it..
Yeah, "We are exploring utilizing location-based marketing as a way to help enhance the overall experience by creating more opportunities for our subscribers to enjoy all the various elements of a good movie night." sounds really upfront.
 
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