Attention to their foundation and software etc.... basically this message going viral is free advertising for them.
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Attention to their foundation and software etc.... basically this message going viral is free advertising for them.
What if we look at this statement in another way?
Did these companies offer a free service with advertising and a paid service without advertising for users to choose, or was only a free service offered with advertising and not informing the end user of tracking, etc.
It is not what we are led to believe that nothing is free in life, which is untrue. The air you breath is free, light and darkness is free, enjoying the stars at night is free. Not to make light of your argument, just saying was a choice offered to users from the start and all the compromises to users actions with their knowledge, or did these companies offer a free service to gain users and then knowingly use those users and then claim that we need to advertise to offer s free service.
We all benefit from it indirectly. Some of us selfishly take advantage of the privacy side by knowingly using the products/info that others provide on the back of it.I am aware of some companies that do not advertise or sell your day and offer a free and paid product. The free versions are very limited in use, however do not compromise the core function of the product or service. The hope is that the free users will upgrade for more functionality when their requirements necessitate. To some degree it is not impossible to acknowledge that some paid users are subsidizing the free accounts.
I am in both camps depending on the product or service, I give and take
(Not suggesting you do).
Terrible analogy. These advertising trackers don't give them detail like that. It is anonymized and is nothing like knowing a person's address and showing up at their door.
I think I've got my iPhone, iPad and Macs setup about as good as they can possibly be with my settings and ad blockers. When I rarely get an ad, it seems to think I'm some kind of middle aged woman who lives in Arkansas. It's perfectly wrong and I love it. I'm not even using a VPN, which I don't prefer because it slows down my internet massively.
I feel like I have won the internet and it feels good man. It feels real good.
I feel like I have won the internet and it feels good man. It feels real good.
Agree… except you can’t buy the product for the most part! When Google, Facebook, Yahoo will offer paid services in exchange for complete privacy, then we can talk!
No harm taken
I am always open for an open and respectful discussion, what if we look at it this way. Would you purchase a car without taking it for a test drive. What if the dealership request a X sum of deposit before you go for a test drive and then return it if you are not pleased with the ride.What if a car company offered you a free car and not disclose any alterations to the initial contract without proper understanding and consent. I give you a free car to drive, however I am allowed without your knowledge to hot mic, monitor and every aspect of that vehicles capabilities, etc.
I have kept this very simple.
I feel the same way. I've never used FaceBook and stay away from Google as much as possible. Even with Amazon. They see everything I buy from them but they still offer me chandeliers and bunny slippers. Maybe my info input is below some threshold where they can't get an accurate picture.
There's no doubt that if the web was forced to transition to a subscription-only model due to tougher regulations on advertising and tracking, the consumer backlash would be against the regulators and regulations.
The big industry players will always find a way to operate within the regulations. Whether it means just paying fines, lobbying, or using their army of lawyers to fight in court for as long as possible. They don't particularly mind burdensome regulation because it helps protect their monopolies from start-ups who don't have the resources to compete in a level playing field.
But if we all had to pay $10 a month to access MacRumors, and $10 a month each for all our other favorite ad-supported sites, I think most people would quickly change their opinion about advertising and tracking.
Yeah, I don't use FaceBook either. Not since 2010. One big thing that tracks you across sites are comment systems and I have those disabled in my ad blocker. Amazon is also the only company that really knows much about me besides Apple who makes everything obfuscated, but in Amazon's case I don't actually mind because it helps my shopping experience. I mainly use it to buy supplies for my wife's business and the three T's: tools, toys and tech.
Oh naive one! If it was only targeted advertising. But sadly, it isn't! Google, the worst of all, tries to load a minimum of three separate trackers on every person in the world who uses the web, whether or not you are a Google user, and they do it without your permission. Those trackers record everywhere you go and everything you look at, click on, etc.. But they don't stop there. They take that information and link it via what they call a "universal identifier" to every bit of data they can assemble on every human on the planet, which includes everywhere you drive, walk, etc., every photo you take or receive, everything you say in front of GA, every document you upload, every email sent OR received if you use Gmail, every bit of data they get from other data brokers, etc., etc..
Google is creating a massive virtual dossier on you and your family hat is not only available indirectly to advertisers (remember "advertisers" means anyone with money, such as insurance companies), governments and law enforcement, hackers and intel agencies. Governments around the world don't have to have an army of spies recording what you are doing, Google is doing it for them.
iPhones are only so only private until you stick an app on it such as Facebook and then that is tracking everything you do anyway. The iPhone = Privacy ads are very debatable.
Apple Music, Spotify, Netflix, ESPN+ etc are the signs that people don't mind paying for things they get value from. WhatsApp used to be 99p for the year, and everyone paid it because it was an inconsequential amount of money. They have a user base of 1.5B users, so even if for some reason people stopped using the most widely used chat app over 99p, they would still be bringing in over $/£1B per year!
For long enough while I still used it, that Instagram offered a "pro" version with no ads, chronological timeline for something like £1pm/£10pa. Again, they have over 1B users on Instagram, and if even 25% of the people chose the pro option, then you are looking at $/£2.5B income from that alone.
For long enough while I still used it, that Instagram offered a "pro" version with no ads, chronological timeline for something like £1pm/£10pa. Again, they have over 1B users on Instagram, and if even 25% of the people chose the pro option, then you are looking at $/£2.5B income from that alone.
Unless you are using a tracker blocker, like Ghostery, a whole host of data harvesters, led by Google and Facebook, are collecting data on you as you read this whether or not you use Google services or Facebook! Right now 17 trackers are being block from being installed on me during this session of MR. Google is being blocked from installing at least three trackers on me. Those are persistent, which means they will follow me across the web and record everything I look at, read, post, etc. Amazon does the same thing, but doesn't have as large as harvesting machine.
Google is the most dangerous because they combine every facet of your and your family's life, not just web searches, into a virtual dossier under what they call a "Universal Identifier" which only they have access to. Your UI takes your IP addresses and other information and using AI figures out who you are and then links every bit of data into a massive dossier that the Stasi, KGB and others could not even dream of. They know every intimate detail of your life--where you go, who you meet with, they have your posts, your photos, your searches, your documents, etc., etc. Google is Evil.
Well what a surprise, a report from another company on how Apple breaches your privacy to allow advertisers to make money form you..
Just a little bit hypocritical of the company that made a big advert during CES attempting to have a dig at everyone else, whilst apparently promoting how secure your privacy is on their platform... which obviously it isn’t. Shock horror..
Just a little bit hypocritical of the company that made a big advert during CES attempting to have a dig at everyone else, whilst apparently promoting how secure your privacy is on their platform... which obviously it isn’t. Shock horror..
This is a very reasonable request from an organization that’s working very hard to make the internet a better place.
I’ve been using Brave as the default browser on all my devices for well over a year now. It was created by a Mozilla co-founder. It’s very fast and probably has the best built-in ad-blocking. But quite a few little things are starting to make question if Brave is really as privacy-focused as they claim to be, and I’m thinking of switching back to Firefox.
I’ve been using Brave as the default browser on all my devices for well over a year now. It was created by a Mozilla co-founder. It’s very fast and probably has the best built-in ad-blocking. But quite a few little things are starting to make question if Brave is really as privacy-focused as they claim to be, and I’m thinking of switching back to Firefox.
Advertising isn't the problem. Tracking is. There's a big difference between driving down the highway and seeing a billboard for some random product/service/company, versus driving down the highway and seeing a billboard directly related to what you and your spouse were just discussing over the past mile.
You both may feel that you've "won the internet"...
Hey, I get fighting the good fight. I'm just not really sure how good (effective) that fight is that you seem to be fighting.
but what about winning in the arena where we...
absolutely know your information is actually bought and sold? You're effectively proud of hiding from targeted advertising where your personal information isn't sold, but used to build a profile to sell ad slots. But the companies that actually buy and sell your info? Don't really hear the outcry. To be fair, we're discussing internet privacy so in a sense I understand. But here's the thing. The boogeymen you're hiding from really don't care that you're hiding. They can get your information from the boogeymen you don't seem to be afraid of: your cc company, mortgage lender, auto finance company, your home/auto insurance, your bank, your ISP...
Hey, I get fighting the good fight. I'm just not really sure how good (effective) that fight is that you seem to be fighting.
I share my location on many apps. *shrug* If you happen to write an app and it's something I like and think it makes sense to share my location with you, you can have my location.
And I already get advertising at my doors, although it's typically for the pizza joints and Chinese restaurants in the area -- for most other products, it's not terribly economical to do costly door-to-door advertising.
But, I know you were being facetious.
I'd cheer from the rafters. Not all of us are beholden to Facebook, Google and the rest.
Let them charge users. Do you really think that they'll stop advertising? stop tracking your every move? even if you pay?
Dream on suckers.
Except...you already know what an exaggeration that is, without me having to tell you. You also know there is a difference between tracking certain kinds of activity and devices listening in on you. These are not the same things.