Mozilla Releases Firefox 3.5

[MacFly123]

I LOVE Safari Just my personal preference.

So how are the tests for speed etc. compared to Safari 4?

I do wish Apple would add the rotate fingers gesture to switch tabs, and 3 fingers up or down for top and bottom of pages like FireFox though.

 

[pdpardue]

tabs

Personally, I don't understand tabs at all. It's the first thing that I turn off.

I use expose like mad crazy and tabs just doesn't work with expose. I can switch to any window with expose, with tabs I've got to read each and every single tab title till I find the one I want, with expose I can see every page at once and visually find the page I want.

Can someone please explain the allure of tabs

 

[RebootD]

Personally, I don't understand tabs at all. It's the first thing that I turn off.

I use expose like mad crazy and tabs just doesn't work with expose. I can switch to any window with expose, with tabs I've got to read each and every single tab title till I find the one I want, with expose I can see every page at once and visually find the page I want.

Can someone please explain the allure of tabs

So you don't have to use expose' to filter through 15 separate windows ontop of your other open apps? ctrl + tab works just fine.

Plus if you are doing research you can have multiple windows open, each with tabs, to help organize topics/subjects. This also allows you to 'save all tabs' as a single bookmark so you can go back to them later.

 

[pdpardue]

So you don't have to use expose' to filter through 15 separate windows ontop of your other open apps? ctrl + tab works just fine.

so, lets say you have 15 open window... ctrl + tab 15 times or on click of expose? which is faster/easier/less button clicks? I would rather see all 15 windows at once then read through 15 titles one by one.

Try this, take 15 random objects and place them in front of you and take 15 pieces of paper with the name of the 15 objects, and tell me which is easier to find a specific object

 

[Speedy2]

Hopefully it will stabilize Firefox a bit. Ever since I upgraded from Firefox 3 to Firefox 3, my browser crashes with regularity. I use to love Firefox, but use Safari more these days because Firefox 3 has nice features, but crashes regularly.

You might want to start fresh with a new profile.
Firefox is stable as a rock.

 

[Speedy2]

Finally drag and drop of tabs between windows :>. Now I only need to figure out how to get rid of this huge, ugly, awful, IE-like "+" button...

He he
I actually like the + button very much. I even had a skin for FF3 that enabled it.

The good thing about it: if you have many tabs open, it is still very easy to open a new tab. Without it, you will have a hard time double clicking that tiny empty space next to the tabs.

I know there are other way to open a new tab, but this is my favourite way.

 

[pdpardue]

Of course turn on FF color management in about:config
It depends on what you have gfx.color_management.mode set to.
0 = Color management is disabled for everything
1 = Color management is enabled for all rendered graphics including untagged images which will assume sRGB
2 = Color management is enabled for all rendered graphics except untagged images which are left unmanaged.

1 = what I have everything is treated as sRGB if untagged (which most are anyway)
2 = Safari mode: Only tagged images with color profiles will be managed.

visit sites with Red or Blue particularly:
espn.com
macrumors.com (look at the logo and compare)
this one is very noticable http://www.adobe.com/products/flash/?promoid=BPDEE
http://www.engadget.com/ the blue's are very off in Safari as well

Plus I've noiced skin tones on any site under Safari 4 make them looked almost glowing orange. I'm using a NEC 2690wuxi2 and while it has an sRGB mode I dont' want to have to switch modes every time I go from a browser to photoshop which is why I've stuck with FF ever since they allowed you to manually turn on color management.

as a photographer that built my website from scratch, and a frequent web user, having a feature that is turned OFF my default isn't a feature.

both of my monitors are calibrated and the only browser that displays my images correctly is safari. sRGB images rendered in FF, even with color management on, come out incorrect.

As the designer of my website I have to realize that even if you are using FF that the VAST majority of users aren't tweaking their configurations to turn color management on, therefore I can't consider it to be a feature at all

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[DELLsFan]

Still slow for me.

Safari is king.

I'm starting to think this too. Safari 4.0 is just awesome. Although I kinda miss a few Firefox extensions, I sure don't miss them enough to do without the TOP SITES feature in Safari. It's way too cool to give up.

 

[Reaperducer]

So long Safari 4.0, you're fun but you don't switch tabs as easily as Firefox. Safari just doesn't seem as solid as Firefox, I know that's a very scientific fact, but I just am not as comfortable with Safari.

Seriously, if Safari would switch tabs by Cmd-1, 2, 3... it would be tough for me to go back to Firefox (any tips are welcome).

FWIW, through the magic of the MultiClutch utility, I use a three-finger swipe left or right along the trackpad to change tabs in Safari. It rocks and very quickly becomes second nature.

Even if you end up switching back to Firefox, I suggest looking into it. It should work for Firefox as well, and is a hell of a productivity booster if you keep anywhere from 2-15 tabs open.

 

[RebootD]

as a photographer that built my website from scratch, and a frequent web user, having a feature that is turned OFF my default isn't a feature.

both of my monitors are calibrated and the only browser that displays my images correctly is safari. sRGB images rendered in FF, even with color management on, come out incorrect.

As the designer of my website I have to realize that even if you are using FF that the VAST majority of users aren't tweaking their configurations to turn color management on, therefore I can't consider it to be a feature at all

Do you have a wide gamut display? (110% NTSC 97-100% adobe rgb)
I understand that if you don't have a wide-gamut display, I never bothered with it but now it is a noticeable difference between safari and FF, especially reds, bleed and are hyper-saturated.

 

[wschutz]

The king beats once more time the wannabe Safari
Wanna see becnhmarks

 

[Amdahl]

Of course turn on FF color management in about:config
...

Plus I've noiced skin tones on any site under Safari 4 make them looked almost glowing orange. I'm using a NEC 2690wuxi2 and while it has an sRGB mode I dont' want to have to switch modes every time I go from a browser to photoshop which is why I've stuck with FF ever since they allowed you to manually turn on color management.

I think I notice a slight difference in the red on the MR logo, but not seeing much anywhere else. It probably varies by how much correction is in your local color profile. I have some heavily corrected screens I'll try later, plus I'll try the 3065.

 

[TakeManhattan]

FireFox 3.5 does Trackpad page back/forward and zoom !

I think MBP trackpad support by Firefox was mentioned previously in this thread, but I want to mention it again, more explicitly, because I am so thankful that Firefox 3.5 now supports 3 finger swipes and zooming via the MBP trackpad !

Thank YOU Mozilla !

I've been using Safari (3... I'm wary of Safari 4) instead of Firefox precisely because Firefox 3.0 didn't support page back/forward using the trackpad on my MBP.

Now Safari has nothing over Firefox. (I only wish that Firefox windows had a slightly skinnier header.)

Does Safari 4 remember the zoom settings of individual web pages?

 

[zelet]

Well Firefox is out for me. Simply no way of syncing bookmarks over MobileMe to my iPhone. And probably something that Apple will never allow. Oh well.

Edit: I obviously didn't read your question all the way through. Sorry.

 

[Johnny Apple]

Websites don't render correctly in Firefox!

I've been a website designer since 1997.

The current versions of Safari, Internet Explorer, Opera, Camino, OmniWeb and FireFox 2.0 all render graphics in tables correctly, and in the same way.

FireFox 3.0 does not! It adds extra padding to the tables so the graphics split apart!

The Mozilla development team takes the attitude that the way they do things is correct and, if all the rest of the world does things differently, they are wrong!

 

[pdpardue]

Do you have a wide gamut display? (110% NTSC 97-100% adobe rgb)
I understand that if you don't have a wide-gamut display, I never bothered with it but now it is a noticeable difference between safari and FF, especially reds, bleed and are hyper-saturated.

i'm not quite sure I understand your question. on the same monitor my aperture, photoshop, and safari colors looks the same. the same photo viewed in any of those application, or any other like preview or even quick look all have the same rendering, firefox does not.

 

[forzagaribaldi]

Apparently it upgraded itself for me...when my computer was off, because it doesn't show I'm using the beta anymore?

Same here! Got all excited about downloading the release and then realised I have it somehow. A bit freaky...

 

[MisterK]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_0 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7A341 Safari/528.16)

I've got MobileMe keeping my Safari bookmarks synced. Can't say I miss Firefox much though. I just don't need plugins. Never found a use for them. My surfing isn't nearly fiddley enough to warrant it.

 

[soup4you2]

Wanna see becnhmarks

Only if those benchmarks also show current stability comparisons.

 

[pdpardue]

I've been a website designer since 1997.

The current versions of Safari, Internet Explorer, Opera, Camino, OmniWeb and FireFox 2.0 all render graphics in tables correctly, and in the same way.

FireFox 3.0 does not! It adds extra padding to the tables so the graphics split apart!

The Mozilla development team takes the attitude that the way they do things is correct and, if all the rest of the world does things differently, they are wrong!

i don't claim to be a web designer but I did build my website from scratch and the one thing that I can say is that every browser handles things differently. IE has been the worst for me since I don't beta test in IE so the random times that I'm forced you use windows and IE I always check the rendering.

that being said it would be nice if all browsers would do the same thing without having to fuss in the design stage for browser compatibility


anyone interested, http://paulparduephotography.com/

 

[goodwilldrums]

i've been using ff for so long, anytime i try using safari i just can't get used to it. take the search box for example, why just google or yahoo. what about imdb? wikipedia? amazon? ebay? i can go on and on. probably a plug-in out there to fix that, but i haven't found it yet.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Another reason why FF gets the nudge over Safari.

 

[Mad Mac]

anyone interested, http://paulparduephotography.com/

I just checked out your website in both FF and Safari and they both rendered the dress orange-ish and not red. Per your comparison pic, both browsers looked like the pic on the left. Tried changing the settings in FF and everything's still orange-ish.

 

[goodwilldrums]

I can get the 3-finger swipes to work, but not the twists - is it the same action as is used to rotate an image?

Yes, that's what it used to be in Firefox 3.0 up until now. Since downloading 3.5 today, it doesn't seem to be working! Anyone else notice this missing feature on multi-finger gestures?

 

[Eraserhead]

IE has been the worst for me since I don't beta test in IE so the random times that I'm forced you use windows and IE I always check the rendering.

IE is the worst for everyone. Fortunately it supports conditional comments and also IE 8 behaves much much better.

I've been a website designer since 1997.

The current versions of Safari, Internet Explorer, Opera, Camino, OmniWeb and FireFox 2.0 all render graphics in tables correctly, and in the same way.

FireFox 3.0 does not! It adds extra padding to the tables so the graphics split apart!

Can you give a link?

PS maybe you need to set the padding or the cellpadding on the table cells to 0.

 

[xUKHCx]

I'm starting to think this too. Safari 4.0 is just awesome. Although I kinda miss a few Firefox extensions, I sure don't miss them enough to do without the TOP SITES feature in Safari. It's way too cool to give up.

Firefox addon: Speed Dial which is essentially Top Sites.