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Mozilla Working on 'Junior' Web Browser for iPad

Menneisyys2 said:
1, iCab Mobile and a lot of other browsers are also capable of this.

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"Simpler" means programmers aren't allowed to do almost anything, "thanks" to Apple's sometimes pathetic restrictions. (One of the most pathetic restrictions is not allowing 3rd party developers use the fast scrolling of UIWebView for two years; this is why all UIWebView-based browsers scroll so stutteringly.)
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To your first point, I know that others do that as well, I just have Atomic so I don't have a need for other browsers like iCab.

To your second point I quote here, I agree that it seems silly sometimes on what the restrictions are but that is not my problem to be honest. I don't jailbreak because I would fear that malware could make it onto my phone since I don't know the people programming the jailbreaks and they won't be liable for anything... plus, I don't need any features I don't have that bad that I would risk the warranty etc. After all, most important is that my devices work. The Apple extended warranty takes care of that - as long as I don't mess with a jailbreak. :cool:
 
Thunderhawks said:
Between Safari and Atomic = Atomic wins.

Between Atomic and Proton for the ipad = Proton wins

PROTON has flash capability (easy to invoke) and allows to watch streaming video sites that still use flash.

Easy to use too.

Safari is actually the last of my surfing choices on an ios.

While Firefox will be free I 'd consider it a wasted effort.
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iSwifter is much smoother than Photon when using Flash sites. After I found iSwifter, I never used Photon again.
 
Mad-B-One said:
To your first point, I know that others do that as well, I just have Atomic so I don't have a need for other browsers like iCab.

To your second point I quote here, I agree that it seems silly sometimes on what the restrictions are but that is not my problem to be honest. I don't jailbreak because I would fear that malware could make it onto my phone since I don't know the people programming the jailbreaks and they won't be liable for anything... plus, I don't need any features I don't have that bad that I would risk the warranty etc. After all, most important is that my devices work. The Apple extended warranty takes care of that - as long as I don't mess with a jailbreak. :cool:
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OT:

Malware won't get to your JB'n iDevice if you only install well-known and tested apps from trusted Cydia sources. (And, if you don't install OpenSSH - which is rarely needed for non-hackers/devs -, noone can even connect to your iDevice from the outside world.)

Also, if you install for example Firewall iP, you can always track which app connects to which host / port - this way, you can be absolutely sure there's no malware on your phone.

(Of course, I don't want to force you to JB. I just find JB tweaks very cool and couldn't imagine my iOS life without them - they make my life MUCH easier by, say, letting me to save complete Web pages from Safari; controlling it via an extrernal keyboard as if it was the desktop version, using a windowed environment (Quasar), auto-record Skype calls, easily record demo videos of the screen with Display Recorder etc.)
 
Mad-B-One said:
To your first point, I know that others do that as well, I just have Atomic so I don't have a need for other browsers like iCab.

To your second point I quote here, I agree that it seems silly sometimes on what the restrictions are but that is not my problem to be honest. I don't jailbreak because I would fear that malware could make it onto my phone since I don't know the people programming the jailbreaks and they won't be liable for anything... plus, I don't need any features I don't have that bad that I would risk the warranty etc. After all, most important is that my devices work. The Apple extended warranty takes care of that - as long as I don't mess with a jailbreak. :cool:
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huh? your logic is as flawed sir. Any one knows a simple restore in iTunes wipes away Jailbreak. Just simply restore before heading to Apple geniuses for any issues.

Im so tire of people having misconceptions about JB.

1. Voids warranty......No, it doesnt. Restore in iTunes as stated above.
2. Eats battery and resoources.....no it doesnt, if you have the right Cydia apps like Backgrounder (which can be set to terminate all processes as you close an app)
3. Opens up to malware--no, it doesnt, if you are smart about what to install (just like on your mac)...I'll install SBSettings for quick settings tweak with a swipe...I wont install some random 3rd party cydia. Furthermore, JBing actually allowed a Cydia patch to close an exploit while non-JBen devises were vulnerable (this was about 1.5 years ago I think)

Im sure other here are JB fans, please back me up on some more items.
 
vartanarsen said:
huh? your logic is as flawed sir. Any one knows a simple restore in iTunes wipes away Jailbreak. Just simply restore before heading to Apple geniuses for any issues.
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huh? your logic is as flawed sir. Doesn't work if the device doesn't turn on, does it? What do you do then? Or it hangs somwhere where it won't do whatever you want but clearly shows it's jailbroken ... did someone mess with the kernel??? :eek:

Murphy's Law: There is something that can go wrong, odds are, it WILL go wrong. The unlucky one will be me - I know my luck. :(
 
OK, as long as it's not slow and annoying like the PC version. Sometimes I suspect that IE 9 is faster than FireFox but still worse for other reasons.
 
Menneisyys2 said:
Statistically, people have been able to restore the factory firmware in 99% of the cases. Even when your device seemingly doesn't switch in, it can STILL be restored to an official firmware as the DFU mode is still accessible to iTunes.
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Statistics also teach us that in quantum mechanics, things that are physically not explainable, will still occur. Like a phone that doesn't do anything but starting up and showing a unix prompt. As I stated, that might be impossible to all your laws of "You can fix it with iTunes!" but the quantum-Murphy law will show the DOS-like prompt right there in the Apple Store at the Genius Bar when I ask a somewhat friendly Apple employee why I cannot connect to iTunes with my device. Now, you might be able to do whatever you like so much with your JB iPhone and iPad, there is just not much that would improve my experiance to the point that it is worth the risk for me. I'm not saying you shouldn't jailbreak. Do whatever you want. For me, it isn't worth it as it isn't for all the tech geeks out there who know how to do it and what the risks and benefits are and still don't do it. Even if you trust the providers/certificators for the JB Apps, I don't because I don't know who will be behind them tomorrow.
 
i love how all of you guys are just bashing the rethorical skills while none of you realize the true potential and underlying idea of what is presented.
Btw, Opera has always innovated the browser market and now even Mozilla has recognized/public accepted this.
 
Menneisyys2 said:
While not specifically ad blocking, you can still do IP blocking on JB'n devices with the absolutely great app "Firewall iP" ( http://www.iphonelife.com/blog/87/h...company-non-children-etc-website-your-idevice ). There may be specific ad blockers in the Cydia store too.
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You can also get adblocker from here http://safariadblock.com/ and http://download.cnet.com/Safari-AdBlock/3000-2378_4-10793198.html

And there is an adblocker here https://extensions.apple.com/ it's an extention add on.
 
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M1chbeck said:
i love how all of you guys are just bashing the rethorical skills while none of you realize the true potential and underlying idea of what is presented.
Btw, Opera has always innovated the browser market and now even Mozilla has recognized/public accepted this.
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Did you just jump to the last page, read some posts and got your opinion or did you read all prior posts? Just wondering... because I read something else than you did - at least I came to a different conclusion. There are quite a few who lookd behind the obviously bad presentation and saw quite some potential... :cool:

And what browser maket are you writing about? On Mac/PC? I think Opera did some innovation but so did Netscape/Mozilla - and quite a lot of it. Opera on iOS is not a true browser...
 
send these guys to toastmasters. Gives you an appreciation for what a great speaker Steve Jobs was.
 
very bad presentation
-F-bomb dropped 2 times
-More Ums than I can count
-Dressed Unprofessionally
-Fire alarm that causes the presentation to end

As a browser it looks great. I do not want a fully gesture based browser and I do not like how Safari works. They make a lot of great points and they seem to solve a lot of them.

I have been using Firefox since its inception and still there is no browser that works as good.
 
mactmaster said:
Some existing browsers already do that. Like Mercury browser which I have on my iPhone, it has Adblock option.
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True, but unfortunately there is no way to have Mercury (or Atomic Web) function as the default browser in iOS. Even apps like Tweetbot that can hand off a link to a web browser don't/won't/can't hand off to an alternate browser other than Mobile Safari.
 
Manderby said:
Finally somebody publicly admits it: Tabs are evil.

Well, to each his own. I personally disabled tabs in whichever application it was possible. For me, it's so counter-intuitive.
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Full-screen mode and tabs (two mutually exclusive features) got into a fight 7 or 8 years ago - full-screen mode got it's ass kicked.

Why anyone would want to bring it back is beyond me. Microsoft is doing the same with metro IE.
 
Here come the excuses

"difficult to create an acceptable user experience on the platform"

I can already tell you that Mozilla will not create a memorable browser for the iPad.
 
It was hard to enjoy watching the demonstration of what could potentially be a great product because the speakers were so bad at presenting it. A whole bunch of 'ums' isn't very professional. It's as if they didn't even think of what they were going to say before the demo. Very repetitive also. I'll just wait until the actual demo shows up on the mozilla website.
 
Sounds like a good idea for a browser, I'll definitely give it a look when available.

And no, public speaking is not something that most people are good at. Thanks to everyone who pointed out how many "um's" and other mistakes you saw. :rolleyes:
 
Joe-Diver said:
As much as I'd like to know more, I just can't watch that presentation...the guy's speaking and presentation skills are simply so poor, I can't take it. I'm forced to sit through these at work....not doing it here.
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Yea I gave up about a quarter in. Was just about pulling my hair out. Are those two the best they can come up with to do a demonstration. If your top developers can't speak publicly get a pro speaker to do it. After all it's only a demonstration. If a developer is required to do the presentation then they have a lot more to do before the juniors get their hands on it. Maybe management have no confidence in it and left the guys pushing it to take the risk of association. Anyway it's a bad look.
 
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John.B said:
True, but unfortunately there is no way to have Mercury (or Atomic Web) function as the default browser in iOS. Even apps like Tweetbot that can hand off a link to a web browser don't/won't/can't hand off to an alternate browser other than Mobile Safari.
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Jb and install Browser Changer. Works great.
 
John.B said:
Ad blocking?
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If you turn off JavaScript in Safari (under the Settings app), not only does it greatly speed up page loading and rendering, it effectively blocks most ads, plus many other JavaScript-powered annoyances like Disqus. There's occasionally some collateral damage - some sites seem to use JS to place YouTube videos, and I don't know, maybe you like Disqus or some reason - but for the most part it makes a world of difference, especially on my older iPad 1. In fact, the inability to turn off JavaScript in other browsers is why I continue to use Safari (apparently it's not possible for third-party devs to disable it in their apps).
 
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