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The bottom line was Apple should have waited a week on the S launch get the production levels up to handle the demand. Believe me they know the demand there not new to these launches. They where after media coverage plain and simple and it's biting them in the ass as maybe that Apple trust is slipping to use Apple fans and yes I am one of them too.

I hold no grudge at all but I still did not get what I wanted either. Nor did a lot of folks. Is that really good business for Apple. In the end maybe not

Bottom line they could have handled this smarter. Just read this forum on trying to get the exact phones people wanted and you will see the answer, not everyone is a happy camper. I'm not one to normally bitch about these things but its load and clear just on this forum alone the hassle taken at these store launches. The online orders went well and they bumped up that system very well. It's the rubber soles in the streets they need to address and having enough stock on hand at Apple stores and the carrier stores to at least get through the first day at launch. That's where people are upset.

Bottom line is that Apple can't overcome the laws of economics and physics. There is always a lot of demand at the iPhone and iPad launches.

With iPad they pretty much have had it down pat since the 3rd iPad. There were no shortages, lines were short, and sales were through the roof. However, wit the iPhone it's different. The carriers have their requirements, and when you throw three colors into the mix, including an all new color that has proven popular, it makes it tricky.

At the same time, there's a limit to how many iPhones FoxConn can make. The only alternative would be for Apple to push back the release date, but that creates its own problems. First, people would have complained either that "there hasn't been an announcement yet, so I'll just get a Galaxy/HTC One/Lumia instead," or "why is it a month from the announcement to the launch date"?

From my own experience with the 4S, 5, and 5s, I think that this was handled fairly well. We'll find out tomorrow, next month, and January when/if Apple releases sales figures.

Remember that the iPhone 5 was in very short supply, as well. The pre-sales sold out in an hour, and likely just brought sales forward since the total launch weekend sales were "only" 1 million more than the 4S launch despite 2 million pre-orders.

I think the lack of a pre-order option was an indication that initial supplies were short. At the same time, Apple doesn't want to say "don't bother, we don't have any" when that's not the case at all. They are in short supply, as they always are given the initial spike in demand that comes with a release, but there are phones in the stores. I bought one yesterday in the store and so did many others where I was (with little waiting). They didn't have every color or configuration, but people there weren't pouting. They either made the decision to take what was there, or come back later when supplies are more plentiful. If history is any guide, by the middle to end of October there will be plenty to go around.
 
To the OP - You obviously have done a great job raising your daughter! I too was disappointed on launch day but that is life... your daughter seems to be taking this in stride and so should you - things happen and life isn't always fair, a good lesson to be learned but your daughter seems to have a grasp on that from what you've said. You really should email apple directly or Tim Cook directly with your story, they may sympathize with you and do something nice for your daughter. :)
 
Everybody knows release days of iPhones is always a nutty day, why are we surprised? U let yourself be whipped into the hype that's you.

And I read here ppl go into ATT, BestBuy, no prob, no waiting, so I dunno man.

Small markets. I'm in a town of millions so its a bit tougher to just walk in and get what you want on launch day. One Apple store here on the 10 o'clock news already had about 100 people inline. I think we have 4 Apple stores in a 50 square mile in just the Phoenix area and basically none outside it in the whole state of Arizona. Kind of limited with a dense population.

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Bottom line is that Apple can't overcome the laws of economics and physics. There is always a lot of demand at the iPhone and iPad launches.

With iPad they pretty much have had it down pat since the 3rd iPad. There were no shortages, lines were short, and sales were through the roof. However, wit the iPhone it's different. The carriers have their requirements, and when you throw three colors into the mix, including an all new color that has proven popular, it makes it tricky.

At the same time, there's a limit to how many iPhones FoxConn can make. The only alternative would be for Apple to push back the release date, but that creates its own problems. First, people would have complained either that "there hasn't been an announcement yet, so I'll just get a Galaxy/HTC One/Lumia instead," or "why is it a month from the announcement to the launch date"?

From my own experience with the 4S, 5, and 5s, I think that this was handled fairly well. We'll find out tomorrow, next month, and January when/if Apple releases sales figures.

Remember that the iPhone 5 was in very short supply, as well. The pre-sales sold out in an hour, and likely just brought sales forward since the total launch weekend sales were "only" 1 million more than the 4S launch despite 2 million pre-orders.

I think the lack of a pre-order option was an indication that initial supplies were short. At the same time, Apple doesn't want to say "don't bother, we don't have any" when that's not the case at all. They are in short supply, as they always are given the initial spike in demand that comes with a release, but there are phones in the stores. I bought one yesterday in the store and so did many others where I was (with little waiting). They didn't have every color or configuration, but people there weren't pouting. They either made the decision to take what was there, or come back later when supplies are more plentiful. If history is any guide, by the middle to end of October there will be plenty to go around.


I would not disagree with you on many points here. The iPhone has always been a slippery slope on launch day. I really am not upset at all as I could have walked away and waited, my comments are more in general as maybe picking the right time frame from Apple to make sure they have enough for the demand on a correct date. Releasing the C and S was a novel idea for them and something that has not ever been done. I get that totally but if your not ready your not ready to release either. Production is planned well in advance of release.

It's just a shame to see threads like this throughout these forums where people are unhappy. We all know you can't please everyone but this one is kind of a sticky point. My AT&T store got nothing but grey and its a busy store. I thought it was a bit unfair Apple held most of the silver and gold mostly for them. I would still like to have the silver one but returning it in 14 days I am sure AT&T still won't have one.
 
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Last year my daughter came to me and wanted to upgrade her iPhone 4 to the new 5 because she was having some problems with it that I couldn't resolve. She wanted to trade hers in, pay for some of it out of her money, and I could pay the balance. I told her I would make her a deal. Get straight A's for the entire school year and I would get her the new phone.
She worked her butt off for the entire year and did it. Not even 1 B+. And this was in a new school that we had moved to.
So in June I told her I would get her a new phone or she could wait for the new 5S to come out. She thought she could wait if it didn't take to long because her phone was acting up all the time. She waited and waited. I kept her updated on all the leaks about the new 5S.
Finally it was released. My wife was up with me at 3:00 a.m. and stood in line at the Verizon store to make sure she got her new phone that she earned the day it was released. She was first in line and others filed in behind her. When the doors opened they told her they had NO SILVER 5S PHONES IN 64GB or 32GB. We searched all over and couldn't find one.
After work I called every outlet within a three hour drive and of course no luck. So I went home and ordered one online and had to tell my daughter it "might" be here in a couple weeks. Being a bright, well adjusted, and secure 15 year old she took the news very well. She continues to amaze me and make me so proud. She understands that we did all that we could do. She is not at all upset with my wife and I rather with Apple. I told her I would write a blog that showed the reality to you and hopefully the board and your stockholders.
My thoughts to you are this. I think it is very poor business practice to release a highly anticipated product to the world and not actually have the product to sell. This all in the name of publicity so the media can report on the long lines waiting to get their hands on your latest, greatest thing. To report that the demand is SO crazy that you are selling out. Selling out of what? THERE WASN'T EVEN PRODUCT TO SELL!
This was the reality Mr. Cook. I don't know what it was like in "Palo Alto", but it was a pretty pathetic scene in middle America.

There were 9 5s models, and 10 5c models, every store can't get every single model... Especially when Apple is pushing the 5c (Every store got about double the 5c than 5s)
 
To the OP - You obviously have done a great job raising your daughter! I too was disappointed on launch day but that is life... your daughter seems to be taking this in stride and so should you - things happen and life isn't always fair, a good lesson to be learned but your daughter seems to have a grasp on that from what you've said. You really should email apple directly or Tim Cook directly with your story, they may sympathize with you and do something nice for your daughter. :)

Well said. In the end, it isn't going to kill the OP's daughter or anyone else to wait a couple of weeks to get their iPhone.
 
My AT&T store got 10 16gb, 20 32gb and 5 64gb all in grey for launch. No colors and from what I understood from the area rep no AT&T store got any silver or gold at all in the Phoenix area which is a pretty big city and handles most of the state.
 
The bottom line was Apple should have waited a week on the S launch get the production levels up to handle the demand.

I don't understand this line of thinking. If Apple had waited a week to launch the phone, then the people currently waiting for one would still be waiting for one. Releasing the phone later does not let people receive the phone sooner. :confused: You can order one now and wait two weeks, or order one a week from now and wait a week...
 
I don't understand this line of thinking. If Apple had waited a week to launch the phone, then the people currently waiting for one would still be waiting for one. Releasing the phone later does not let people receive the phone sooner. :confused: You can order one now and wait two weeks, or order one a week from now and wait a week...

It's more about store stock and carrier stock to handle physical purchases on launch day. Even at Apple stores people walked away with nothing or had to settle for a certain color or configuration . It's also about getting through the whole line that waited hours to buy and nothing was left on there preferences. Online is a different animal and was handled well on Apples website but not so well on the carriers which have some long ship times. My comments are more about the physical launch day to get people what they want throughout the day and they fell short of that. Its a simple we did not have enough to get around but maybe if they released the c when they did and waited a week for the S than stock in stores could have been better. Obviously this is arm chair quarterbacking but looking back on it than it makes some logical sense. Also I agree its hard to figure out the demand as well on Apples part. Its a tough call and depending how you look at it there is room for debate on how the outcome was or is.
 
OP,
Sounds like you are raising a good kid. I totally understand your frustration and disappointment and anger. I say reward her patience even more! It's not your fault supplies were constrained and it's just the nature of manufacturing. So, to lessen your anger and reward her patience and understanding and make the wait even more fun, why not let her pick out one appropriate song or app per day until her phone arrives? Sure, it'll cost you a bit more, but what a great way to turn lemons into lemonade!
 
I would be more upset at the company that sold you a defective keyboard with no return key.
 
Online is a different animal and was handled well on Apples website but not so well on the carriers which have some long ship times.
Opposite experience here. At 7:00AM ET on Friday, Apple's website was showing 7-10 days for the Space Gray 16GB Verizon. I ordered through Verizon, and the same phone shipped yesterday.

That's a nice thought but reality is not everyone has a extra 900 dollars for 2 phones with early upgrade fees to just float there money for two weeks before they can sell there old phones.
What's the float part? Cards don't get charged until the order ships.
 
Reminds me of the Simpsons show where Grandpa writes the President.

Dear Mr President,

There are too many states. Please eliminate 3 of them.
 
Float part is not having 900 dollars handy to purchase and wait when your dependent on selling your old phone first and its revenue. It's called cash flow and for a lot of people its a issue. So for me ordering on line just would not work out.
 
There were 9 5s models, and 10 5c models, every store can't get every single model... Especially when Apple is pushing the 5c (Every store got about double the 5c than 5s)

My guess is that the 5c was plentiful because it's easier to make.
 
It seems you're doing a great job in raising a responsible and patient daughter, but Apple didn't owe your daughter the phone of her choice on release day. Supply, demand, and competition are part of the real world. If she could wait for the school year to earn her grades then I'm betting she can understand the contention on the phone and wait a week or two for it to be shipped.
 
creating artificial demand

Too bad Cook has not been successful in getting investors to stand in line for AAPL. He's trying to hang on to a job so the Apple Store visits.

Sorry your daughter didn't get the phone. I agree that the supply should be adequate on launch day. At one time iPhone was the only game in town. No any more.
 
Yes its a nice story and sad that it didn't work out but in the end she is just another customer who was hit by the law of supply and demand. Order online, wait in line earlier, find a bigger store but this isn't apples fault.
 
I have 2 iPhones. One Att and one in Verizon. Pre ordered my Att 5s at 4am ET on Friday, 64GB silver. Shipped this morning. Delivering to my office Tuesday. As for my Verizon line. I was bored yesterday and went to Radio Shack and walked out with a 32GB gray 5s. They are out there. You just need to go shop for it at other places.

It's not Apple's fault that your daughter has not learned the lesson of patience and can't wait the week or two like other people that ordered late are patiently waiting. Also not Apple's fault that you decided to wait at a Verizon store in middle America instead of going with another option.
 
The bottom line was Apple should have waited a week on the S launch get the production levels up to handle the demand. Believe me they know the demand there not new to these launches. They where after media coverage plain and simple and it's biting them in the ass as maybe that Apple trust is slipping to use Apple fans and yes I am one of them too.

I really don't get it… You think Apple should have WAITED to release the phone so that more people could get their phone on launch day? Why, so that now EVERYONE has to wait?

After all these years, they clearly get media coverage either way. I don't really get why people think they're doing this for publicity. Isn't it in their best interest to sell more phones? Having pissed off customers is probably not their goal.
 
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