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MSN Messenger Version 4.0

I read this as Windows Messenger and thought "wow, why would I want to run something on my Mac whose sole purpose seems to be installing spyware and causing misleading popup messages?"

(I've been having a lot of trouble with my Winbox lately, can ya tell?)

MSN Messenger, I hear it works well as an IM service, but I have no use for it.
 
I'm not at a Mac right now so please correct me if I'm wrong but...

How can they still not have avatars implimented? How lazy can they get? Microsoft is so pathetic... but then I suppose we Mac users already knew that.
 
I used messenger when I was still a PC user and I continue to use it as a Mac switcher. It's a great client that both my friends and coworkers use as an efficient means of communicating and sending links/files back and forth over different offices and platforms. Knee jerk hatred of this app is nothing more than closed-minded Apple zealotry.
 
No real improvement

I don't think there's any reason for the update to MSN Messenger... except for one thing... to change up the code to make other thrid party applications (like Fire) break. Fire has to pull updates every other day, it seems, just to keep up with Microsoft constantly changing their service.

I think this is just another way Microsoft is mixing things up to stomp out the little guy. And they're trying to tell us it's a cool update to hide their real intentions.

I prefer iChatAV. Other than that I use Fire. On my PC I use all the native clients (AIM; MSN Messenger; Yahoo! Instant Messenger).

sibelius
 
Adium

Hello, Adium! I figured everyone had used this program already at least once. Its still beta, but it rocks hardcore. I don't know what Fire is doing wrong, but Adium definitely doesn't have to release every other day to keep up with protocol changes. The IM framework in Adium is from the Gaim project. For those not in the Linux world, Gaim is THE messenger for Linux. Give Adium a shot.

www.adiumx.com
 
uv23 said:
Knee jerk hatred of this app is nothing more than closed-minded Apple zealotry.
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I can't speak for the rest of the people here but I don't hate MSN entirely but I certainly have been disgusted with it for the last year. While my friends get to use avatars and all those other cool features present in other PC/Mac messenging apps, I get stuck with a crippled version... and they still haven't corrected this!

It's a decent messenger but not all that great until they actually get off their butts and give us the features that everyone else has been getting for a year.
 
sparkleytone said:
Hello, Adium! I figured everyone had used this program already at least once. Its still beta, but it rocks hardcore. I don't know what Fire is doing wrong, but Adium definitely doesn't have to release every other day to keep up with protocol changes. The IM framework in Adium is from the Gaim project. For those not in the Linux world, Gaim is THE messenger for Linux. Give Adium a shot.

www.adiumx.com
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I'm pretty sure Adium is an Alpha program, but yes, I agree, I absolutely love it!
 

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sibelius said:
I don't think there's any reason for the update to MSN Messenger... except for one thing... to change up the code to make other thrid party applications (like Fire) break. Fire has to pull updates every other day, it seems, just to keep up with Microsoft constantly changing their service.
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I still don't get this. I'm a Trillian user on my Winbox, and for awhile there, AOL was updating their service every day, just to keep Trillian users from being able to use the service. Because y'know, it's so important that you use MY free application to access MY free chat service. ::boggle::

Yeah, I know about the ads that AIM runs, but I turn those off.
 
Why is it whenever there is a Microsoft Update there is so much negative comments and rating. I think any update for the mac is a good updatae even if it is from Microsoft. I know that iChat is very good chat software comparied to MS Messenger and I may never use Messenger, but it is still good to see new software even if the change small.
 
Outside of the U.S it seems barely anyone uses AIM. Everyone i know uses MSN Messenger, so im stuck w/ the crap updates that MS releases for Messenger for Mac. Believe me, i like iChat MUCH better but its not very fun to use when you have NOBODY to add to your buddy list!!
 
It seems a bit better than the previous version. The icon on the dock is less garish, now. Persoanlly, I think Microsoft make good programs for Mac (with the exception of Media Player which SUCKS!).

Basically, I have just downloaded a 4mb file so I can send someone a an emoiticon of a smiley being sick. :rolleyes:

I have shoved it next to Office on my dock - keep the enemy in one place ;)
 
wowser said:
It seems a bit better than the previous version. The icon on the dock is less garish, now. Persoanlly, I think Microsoft make good programs for Mac (with the exception of Media Player which SUCKS!).

Basically, I have just downloaded a 4mb file so I can send someone a an emoiticon of a smiley being sick. :rolleyes:

I have shoved it next to Office on my dock - keep the enemy in one place ;)
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I also find it quite a bit more responsive than the last version.
 
What's MSN?

I don't use, nor have I ever used MSN Messenger. But then again, I don't use a PC, even though I have used one. Oh, yes, I used AIM while on PCs. iChat AV is a beautiful program. Perhaps M$ could benefit from having their internal service (like .Mac) cross-enabled with AIM. No, wait AOL stopped M$ from doing that on several occasions. Why then did AOL allow Apple the luxury? Perhaps because they don't make (steal) products to crush the ideas of other companies. There is always Fire 1.0 which allows you to communicated with 6 chat services including AIM, Yahoo and MSN.
 
uv23 said:
Knee jerk hatred of this app is nothing more than closed-minded Apple zealotry.
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Err no, the reason why people hate it is because it offers no new functionality over the last version and still lacks the functionality of the Windows version.

All MS have done for V4 is a facelift... that is nothing to be proud about, and in fact, ranks along side the crap of AlphaOmega... new versions, no new functionality...
 
Stella said:
Err no, the reason why people hate it is because it offers no new functionality over the last version and still lacks the functionality of the Windows version.

All MS have done for V4 is a facelift... that is nothing to be proud about, and in fact, ranks along side the crap of AlphaOmega... new versions, no new functionality...
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How do you know what it includes? Have you seen the source code? The previous version of messenger for the mac would spontaneously disconnect on me every once in a while. The new one has not, thus far. That alone makes this a worthwhile upgrade. And as mentioned by another user, it does seem more responsive in general. Would you rather you didn't get any upgrades at all? :rolleyes:If you don't use it, then don't cry about it. I tell ya, when I waffled during my switch, it was mostly because of the mind-boggling negativity of the Mac userbase, rather than the OS or the machines themselves.
 
uv23 said:
How do you know what it includes? Have you seen the source code? The previous version of messenger for the mac would spontaneously disconnect on me every once in a while. The new one has not, thus far. That alone makes this a worthwhile upgrade. And as mentioned by another user, it does seem more responsive in general. Would you rather you didn't get any upgrades at all? :rolleyes:If you don't use it, then don't cry about it. I tell ya, when I waffled during my switch, it was mostly because of the mind-boggling negativity of the Mac userbase, rather than the OS or the machines themselves.
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I agree that mac zealotry is not that healthy, but when a massive company has a 'team' of dedicated programmers working 9 to 5 and it can only add a new icon, fix a connection and file-transfer bugs that should never have been in 3.5.1, and add a few emoticons, that's not acceptable. I've seen 13 year olds write scripts that can add new emoticons.
 
Wes said:
I agree that mac zealotry is not that healthy, but when a massive company has a 'team' of dedicated programmers working 9 to 5 and it can only add a new icon, fix a connection and file-transfer bugs that should never have been in 3.5.1, and add a few emoticons, that's not acceptable. I've seen 13 year olds write scripts that can add new emoticons.
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Agreed. Some may be booing this release for anti-MS reasons but the rest of us are just disapointed at another mediocre update. We deserve real updates.
 
michael666 said:
I am also disappointed about this. Is there actually any IM software that allows video chats between Mac and Windows (not XP)? Yahoo supports video, but no sound!
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iChat AV 2.1 will allow video conferencing with AIM users on Windows. I've never done it so I don't know about the quality, but Apple lists it as a feature:

http://www.apple.com/ichat/

Videoconference with millions on Mac or PC

iChat AV 2.1 supports videoconferencing with the new AOL Instant Messenger 5.5 for Windows, giving you immediate access to the millions of people in both the Mac and PC communities.
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PLEASE OH PLEASE...OFFICE 2004??

I hope this means Office 2004 is packaged and ready to ship SOON (as in a matter of days). I've been eagerly expecting this since MWSF, and I had a pre-order with the Apple Store since April 1.

I'm not a big fan of MS, but Office is the Mac's most important application in the business world. Bring it on Bill! NOW NOW NOW!
 
I've banished all Microsoft software from my Macs. So, no, I won't be using this new MSN Messenger. Although this Adium thing sounds interesting. I may give that one a spin. :)
 
Exchange Support

Also notice Microsoft apparently refuses to add Microsoft Exchange support to Messenger... At least with Entourage you get poor Exchange support ;)

M$ obviously wants to keep any "corporate" features out of the Mac versions of their software (notice the home-user direction of Office v.X and 2004)... Since I'm the first one to mention it here obviously it isn't a huge feature for the majority of Mac users, but it would probably be a very simple feature to implement (basically it allows you to chat with other MSN Messenger users on your LAN and it can "find" users through your Exchange Server's address book) (my company has about 500 PCs and 175 Macs, and the Mac users are forced to use Citrix to access Messenger...)
 
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