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I don't get it either. I want access to the music that I have purchased without having to rely on the cost or availability of an internet connection. And the explanation of the service rumours whereby you would have your music on 'the cloud' yet you would still keep a locally synced copy makes no sense. Perhaps I've missed the point...
 
I fail to understand why, ten years after digital music started drastically altering the landscape, record labels are still clinging desperately to old, broken models.

I would embrace a service like this if I were a label exec. Ask Apple to collect anonymous data about the music people own, stream and listen to, use those statistics to target purchase recommendations. Turn this into a positive for labels while making a service that is as user-friendly as possible.
 
As promised:

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Streaming services are AWFUL for musicians. Especially indie musicians. Right now iTunes is fantastic for indie musicians.. Make a CD, upload it to iTunes, make 70%, which is quite frankly better than you do selling a CD in the stores.

Streaming services pay sometimes less than a penny per play, the revenue is allocated primarily to the big 4 and the indies get checks for $.63.

The only reason the other streaming and download services exist, is because the big 4 have cut insane deals with them in an effort to undercut apple, because they want to own a piece of every ipod sale. There is no reason when I sell a song on amazon, I get nearly half of what I get for a similar sale on itunes, except that Universal is trying to give amazon some of apples marketshare to remove Steve's negotiating power.

As an artist, I'm perfectly fine with the idea of selling someone my song for $.99, and letting them keep it stored on the server, and stream to whatever devices they own.. But the Zune/Rhapsody model sucks.

Songwriters really get hosed on streaming models.. With pay per download, the songwriter makes $.091 per download, simple, fair, and government mandated. There aren't any rules for now to pay songwriters on streaming, it's a nightmare.

at 220 DVD's i sold them all and now do netflix. same with music. too much of it out there to buy it. a $10 CD will get played once a year or less. the rental model is the future
 
Go ahead without the major 4 labels then. There are hundreds of little ones who will do fine out of this I'm sure.

This!

I hardly ever purchase music from artists on the 4 major labels. I don't go out of my way to avoid purchashing from the big 4, but most of the music I like is on independent labels.

Independent music will always be better.
 
at 220 DVD's i sold them all and now do netflix. same with music. too much of it out there to buy it. a $10 CD will get played once a year or less. the rental model is the future

Thats fine, but any way you run the math, music isn't sustainable with the current rental models. Right now, an indie band can record a record, and sell enough copies to create a living without the majors. In the rental model, the majors will control all the cashflow again. Everyone will lose.
 
To hell with the cloud.

When we have computers small enough and powerful enough to be online servers themselves, I see no reason why I should sign away more of my sovereign rights as a person to companies so they can manage my information and purchased content for me. Then again, give the people something shiny, and they'll sign away all their rights to have it. 1984 might not be far off at this rate.

I'm not worried about the record labels, as I'm sure they'll all die out sooner or later, and we'll all be better for it. I am worried about a third party company, Apple or otherwise, knowing what I listen to and where I listen to it, all of the time, because you know without even seeing the product that those kinds of metrics are going to be built into the service.
 
another source to eat the cellular bandwidth, although less severe than video streaming. ATT would love this to happen sooner.
 
1. Why doesn't apple become their own label?
2. F the studios. I can't believe artists don't record on their own and go through apple via indy. Oh wait, that's right. "artists" now days SUCK and their crap is forced down our throats by the big 4. There's a reason good bands start their own labels.

This. Seriously.
 
I don't get it either. I want access to the music that I have purchased without having to rely on the cost or availability of an internet connection. And the explanation of the service rumours whereby you would have your music on 'the cloud' yet you would still keep a locally synced copy makes no sense. Perhaps I've missed the point...

Why doesn't this make sense? You can still listen to your digital music collection the way you currently do. But, if you want, you can also stream that same collection whenever/wherever you like. It's not replacing the current model, it's augmenting it. What's so bad about this? If you don't want an internet connection, or you don't want to stream, that's fine. You can go on listening to your music on your computer, on your stereo, on your iPod, etc. But, if you want to stream THAT SAME COLLECTION (in caps and bold because, for whatever reason, some people don't seem to get this), you can.

It's not only in the cloud; it's not only on your local drive. It's both.
 
Wouldn't Lala have to had these same licenses to stream their music? Would not these licenses be acquired by Apple when they purchased Lala?

That's why the want to make new deals... (= more money)

very simple, the music companies are dreaming of a world in which they would get a cut every time you play a song from your library in the cloud.:eek:

They don't just dream about it, they try (very) hard to...
 
Idiots

I see no reason why I should sign away more of my sovereign rights as a person to companies so they can manage my information and purchased content for me

1984 might not be far off at this rate.

I am worried about a third party company, Apple or otherwise, knowing what I listen to and where I listen to it, all of the time

Ha spice weasel, I fear that bolding and capitalizing won't help much because it seems that many people do not have simple reading comprehension abilities.

I recall Steve Jobs saying at the D8 conference this year that many people will not like the changes that we will see in computers in the coming years (as we transition to touch, etc.). I think those in this thread whining about what they believe will be Apple taking away all of their music proves his point absolutely.
 
another source to eat the cellular bandwidth, although less severe than video streaming. ATT would love this to happen sooner.

They certainly do for people on 250MB and 2GB data plans so they can sell additional of chunks of bandwidth to everyone towards the end of the month.
 
Maybe I'm olde-fashioned, but what's the reason for wanting cloud-based music services?

For me, if I like something enough, I go get something I can keep myself.

Bottom line, I want the control. Been burned by cloud and on-line stuff too many times.

But, I'm interested in other viewpoints...

Not just music. Let's say you have a 16gig iPhone but a 100 gig library. What do you do?
 
I don't get it either. I want access to the music that I have purchased without having to rely on the cost or availability of an internet connection. And the explanation of the service rumours whereby you would have your music on 'the cloud' yet you would still keep a locally synced copy makes no sense. Perhaps I've missed the point...

Well, picture this: You are in your living room with friends and happen to talk about a song you have in your iTunes Library on your computer, in your office downstairs. You connect your iPhone/iPod to your account and voilà, you can play the song from your living room with your iDevice... A 'bit like the Apple Remote App but in reverse...
 
...as users look forward to the ability to access their music on a variety of Internet-connected devices without the need for manual syncing of content or significant local storage requirements...

Personally, I don't look forward to that at all.

Why would I want a spotty internet connection between me and my stuff? Not to mention that you can't rely on some company to keep your data safe and sound and accessible for as long as you want it -- certainly not for free.

The current mechanism where the master copy of my data lives in a place I control and the data is cached (sync'ed) on a mobile device seems like a much better idea. Local storage is pretty dang small and pretty dang cheap and getting more so all the time.

Just add wireless/anywhere synching and I'll be happy.
 
If Apple can promise me these things I will buy it...

1) 1080p picture
2) Lossless audio
3) Closed captioning
4) Special features for films
5) 3D
6) Film and TV show prices on par with blu ray
7) An option to store my content locally as well as stream it

Until they can do this, my PS3 wins out. Sorry Steve.
 
Time Warner is worth about 30 billion dollar, theoretically Apple could buy them in cash. Maybe its time for Apple (and Disney?) to buy into other large media company's.
 
If Apple can promise me these things I will buy it...

1) 1080p picture
2) Lossless audio
3) Closed captioning
4) Special features for films
5) 3D
6) Film and TV show prices on par with blu ray
7) An option to store my content locally as well as stream it

Until they can do this, my PS3 wins out. Sorry Steve.

I think Apple's focus will be music which doesn't fit into any of those categories.

Also, I used to be fully on the "give me Blu-ray or give me death" bandwagon, but at some point you have to factor in convenience, too. Having said that, I still won't watch standard DVD's or shows that are in SD.
 
:rolleyes:

This is why the record labels are doing so well! /Sarcasm

I know the Music Labels are searching for money like they had back in the 1990's when CDs were selling like hotcakes. Now ever since there was on people sharing music with each other (original Napster, etc.) CD sales are going down faster than a Wall Street crash and the Labels are panicking. I feel when Apple first came to them to sell digital music they jumped on since they ignored the Internet before Apple. Now the Mac haters that are in the Labels now think Apple has grown to strong, so they started selling to Amazon & others are lower prices than $.99. Mark my words, the Labels will now try to brake away from Apple.
 
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