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added purpous to the iPod, please!

the only thing im -really- hoping for is a good mic/line-in on the iPod, while keeping upload capabilities. man, that would be PRIME, then i could get rid of my crippled MZ-N707 minidisc recorder and pick up an iPod! :cool:
 
Originally posted by domlee
pda would be good simply because apple will show everyone what they have been missin'; but i think apple will evolve the ipod into a hybrid mp3/pda that will dominate both markets and they haven't exhausted the mp3 to offer more yet...

That's right on. Apple already showed everyone with the iPod that it didn't matter if there was competition out there- they produced the best MP3 player, period. Even after over a year, the iPod rules in a market that makes gadgets obsolete in a month!
If Apple does a PDA, it'll put all others on their toes.
It seems that when it comes to Tech most manufacturers "settle" for Ok. Then Apple comes along and shows how much attention to detail, and quality can be had- then the competition tries to match them.
We'll see what comes up!
 
Personally I hope it's NOT a PDA. I've spent the last year and a half telling myself I don't need one. If Apple comes out with a PDA then what can I say. I GOTTA HAVE IT! :D

I agree if Apple does release a PDA then it will outshine the competition. I wonder how it would be configured? Color or B&W? Would there be a port of extra memory and adaptars (ie wireless web, digital camera, etc)? No doubt it would look cool, probably "ice" like.

Well, I guess we'll all find out on the 7th.
 
Re: iPod with bluetooth

Originally posted by Phechs
I don't know about you, but adding Bluetooth to an iPod would be great.

What would Bluetooth be used for in the iPod? Keep in mind Bluetooth is only about 760Kbps transfer rate. The only application I can think of would be to interface with Bluetooth headphones, but as far as I know those haven't reached the market yet. I suppose future stereo receivers might be Bluetooth enabled so they could receive streaming digital audio input, but again I don't think that's reached the market yet...
 
bluetooth ipod

A bluetooth iPod would be great actually, think about it, bluetooth will be in cars soon, so wouldn't that be nicer then having to use a tape adapter or FM transmitter?
 
having a iPod myself, I know that a bluetooth iPod would be
increadibly slow for transferring large amounts of data. That is
why it is firewire, so it can do what it does quickly.
 
bluetooth ipod to control dvd player software?

is this possible? i watch a lot of dvds on my imac and i have often cosidered buying a bluetooth adapter and bluetooth keyboard so i can use it like a remote control. if they introduced a bluetooth ipod i think it would be doable to allow it to control your dvd player software.
what does everyone else think?
 
Previous Post

To MrMacMan: Apologies for my 'spamming' thoutlessness; twas in the interests of the humor device. I do believe however that AAC would be a wonderful 'gratuity' from apple - if the rumors are to be believed it would allow, at best, 5GB iPods to become essentially 10GB ones, in terms of song space, etc. And if you don't need the space, use it to backup/transfer.

Also agree with the previous poster that with bluetooth, properly done the iPod could be a really cool 'remote' for DVDs, iTunes, Slideshows, etc.

Just out of interest, what do people do with PDAs that is not provided for already by Palm, or done better by a full size laptop/desktop? Surely the compromised nature of a PDA is enough to render it merely a cool toy? The one response I can think of to this was Woz a few years ago saying the Newton was something that really eased his 'thinking through of ideas' process - something like that. But not having ever had a Newton I can't imagine how.
 
It's not easy to see where an Apple PDA offer would sit with the competition. Palm owns the low cost organiser/PDA space. PocketPC owns the higher cost Windows integration space.

If Apple were to move into this area, it's likely they'd want to own Multimedia & digital hub integration, which puts them in consumer space, where they are more familiar.

I believe all of this makes a move to extend the iPod range far more likely than a brand new PDA range.
 
Apple PDA...

I know this one comes up from time to time and no doubt it may end up a falsee... My Almost-Father-In-Law is wanting to buy a new iBook 14" (taking him out to buy one in the next couple of days...) and I said to him that he might want to wait until just after MWSF just to see what was coming up...

He was calling around the various apple resellers in our city and one reckoned that he should buy his iBook now because "The only big thing to come out of the MWSF will be an apple branded PDA"

Take this with a grain of salt the size of a bowling ball IMHO (due to apple continually denying PDA rumors: would a new Newton be classified as a PDA tho?). Honestly I doubt that the DLD will be a PDA'ish thingy (also what would a reseller know about secret upcoming products?) but I thought it might be a relevant rumor given the speculation running around atm ;)

-- Dan :D
 
Re: Apple PDA...

Originally posted by Aciddan
I know this one comes up from time to time and no doubt it may end up a falsee... My Almost-Father-In-Law is wanting to buy a new iBook 14" (taking him out to buy one in the next couple of days...) and I said to him that he might want to wait until just after MWSF just to see what was coming up...

He was calling around the various apple resellers in our city and one reckoned that he should buy his iBook now because "The only big thing to come out of the MWSF will be an apple branded PDA"

Take this with a grain of salt the size of a bowling ball IMHO (due to apple continually denying PDA rumors: would a new Newton be classified as a PDA tho?). Honestly I doubt that the DLD will be a PDA'ish thingy (also what would a reseller know about secret upcoming products?) but I thought it might be a relevant rumor given the speculation running around atm ;)

-- Dan :D

Think of this from the resellers point of view. He clears out stock, and can deny he ever said that. You are then stuck with an ibook, that lost much of its value over night. I want a pda too, but I would wait until the keynote is over to order.
 
apple digital camera?

I'm still waiting for this device to come out. Prices are going way down for 3 megapixels cameras. I would see 4 or 5 megapixels camera with memory cards and firewire. Allowing you to download photos to ipod.

that would be great
 
I still don't think it'll be a PDA. But that's not the reason for this post.

People keep asking for AAC support and recording support in the iPod, well, if my research is correct, the iPod has the capability for this and a lot more.

They used a really strange design for something that is supposed to just be an MP3 player, the choice of processor from PortalPlayer (a PP5002) could have been replaced with something much cheaper if MP3 decoding was all you ever wanted to do.

The PP5002 can do the following...
- Encode real-time MP3, WMA and ATRAC3 formats
- Decode real-time MP3, WMA, AAC, ATRAC3 and ACELP.NET formats
- E-IDE controller provides GLF™ interface to CDROMs, CD-R/Ws, HDDs and IBM’s Microdrive™
- Multiple audio processing effects (5-band graphic EQ, preset listening modes, bass boost, etc.)

Now this means that Apple can easily introduce native AAC to iTunes and the iPod. The dual ARM processors in the PP5002 mean they could probably get OGG support in there as well, as it has plenty processing power even if it's not native. The EIDE controller might mean it's possible to plug in a firewire CD-RW and burn off CD's straight from the iPod. And the fact that it can encode real time MP3 would allow them to offer a firewire microphone and 3-4 hours solid recording.

If all these features were enabled at the beginning you'd get huge demand, wouldn't meet supply, annoy customers and have high production costs because your processes weren't in place yet. But if you introduced these features gradually, there'd be no supply problems, you'd keep on selling them for longer, you'd make more money because your production processes had been refined and you wouldn't anger the early buyers because they'd get all the new features too - as all it takes to enable these things is a software upgrade. Makes good business sense.

And then of course there's that strange headphone socket...
 
The Newton was certainly classed as a PDA - in fact I believe it was Apple's CEO at the time, John Sculley, who coined the term.

I think it is highly unlikely that Apple will release a regular "PDA" type device, and my view of what that reseller said is simple - "well he would say that wouldn't he"!
 
The only thing I want from MWSF is iMovie 3.0!!!!! Come on Apple!!!!

If I'm not mistaken Microsoft will be releasing Windows MovieMaker 2 on the 7th, so I believe Apple might want to try and release iMovie 3 on the same date and do a knockout on MovieMaker. That would definatly spawn a media frenzy. The media would probably set up a head to head test of the two and crown iMovie as a supreme piece of software. That would so rock Microsoft's boat.

Now this means that Apple can easily introduce native AAC to iTunes and the iPod.

Apple has said that when they made the iPod they made it, so that it would support future audio formats. Based on this I believe we will see an update to the iPod's software along with iTunes 4. As most of you probably know iTunes already plays AAC as it supports all Quick Time formats, but we still need AAC encoding in iTunes. I believe this will be resolved in iTunes 4.

As for Apple's new mystery product that is to be announced next week I can only say that whatever it is I will probably have to get hold of it.
I would infact love to see a small server-like device to connect all your home entertainment peripherals to. Now that Phillips is introducing Rendevouz and more devices like DVD players, televisions, game consoles and A/V Recievers are getting built-in FireWire I believe it's a golden oportunity for Apple to make something that will connect all of these devices together so that they work seamlessly.
 
Re: Previous Post

Originally posted by Tom800
To MrMacMan: Apologies for my 'spamming' thoutlessness; twas in the interests of the humor device. I do believe however that AAC would be a wonderful 'gratuity' from apple - if the rumors are to be believed it would allow, at best, 5GB iPods to become essentially 10GB ones, in terms of song space, etc. And if you don't need the space, use it to backup/transfer.

Also agree with the previous poster that with bluetooth, properly done the iPod could be a really cool 'remote' for DVDs, iTunes, Slideshows, etc.

Just out of interest, what do people do with PDAs that is not provided for already by Palm, or done better by a full size laptop/desktop? Surely the compromised nature of a PDA is enough to render it merely a cool toy? The one response I can think of to this was Woz a few years ago saying the Newton was something that really eased his 'thinking through of ideas' process - something like that. But not having ever had a Newton I can't imagine how.
Well, I have a Kyocera 6035 SmartPhone, so the main "killer app" on my Palm device is just making phonecalls. The other killer apps are things like using Mapquest, checking my Yahoo mail, etc. from my phone/PDA. I personally will never again consider having separate PDA and phone devices. I don't know if my next phone purchase will necessarily be a SmartPhone or Treo type device, but at minimum it has to sync with AddressBook and iCal on my iBook. I would miss being able to check Mapquest and online Yellow Pages when I'm looking for someplace in the streets of Manhattan, though...

So here's what I would want in the ultimate mobile device: add a phone keypad to the front of the iPod , a small camera and phone antenna to the top of it, and a microphone at the bottom. So it would still function as an MP3 player (controls would have to change, obviously), but the new "killer app" would be making phonecalls. You would be able to store PDA-type stuff on this new iPhonePod, but, as now, you could actually only do data entry from your computer. You *could* however, record a voice memo on your iPhonePod so you could type in the data on your computer later.

And let's not forget the camera. DoCoMo is using Quicktime and MPEG-4 in its 3G service in Japan. DoCoMo is committed to partnering with AT&T to roll out 3G to major U.S. markets by 2004. DoCoMo + Apple + AT&T = you guessed it, the first real videophone introduced in the american market. I think it will be just like mobile phones are now - once people get used to them they'll wonder what people did before they had them. And streaming video is just one capability. Until 3G rolls out, you can just send still shots for now. And you would also have the cabability to save and upload the still photos to iPhoto, and short movies to iMovie. The image quality wouldn't be top of the line, but being Apple, would be surprisingly good. And you would of course need a color screen to be able to preview and delete photos and movies.

Far fetched? Maybe. But if Apple came through with such a device, I predict that like the iPod it would become a success despite its high price (maybe $700?). The same way being able to carry a whole music collection on the iPod changed people's relationship to their music, I think being able to always have your camera/video camera with you (since you would definitely always have your phone with you) would change the way people use and think about their camera/video cameras.
 
It occurs to me that

If they enabled AAC it would only be on the Mac iPods, as the PCs use MusicMatch software, not iTunes. Then, as per usual, PC users could get it in 10 months time... A kind of 'see, you should switch' message.

Any thoughts?
 
NewtSync!

I have an Apple PDA, and it works great. It syncs with iCal and Address Book over ethernet. It has a bigger screen than the Palm III, so I can take notes or make drawings conveniently. Using Graffiti, recognition is very accurate. It's a Newton 2100, and the software for syncing over Mac OS X is available at http://www.everchanging.net/newton/.

BTW altho we all agree that an iBook update is unlikely, that may not apply to the 14" model.
 
Originally posted by mangoman
... I KNEW someone would bring the Newton up.

BAHHH!:mad: :rolleyes:


It's still the best OS on any PDA (and I have a newton, palm and pocket pc).

However, I don't use any of them. And that's the problem, lots of people buy them, use them for a month, and never touch them again.
 
Sorry. Didn't mean to be a turd on that last one. I've been through several PDA's--several 'cause I usually end up stepping on 'em/dropping 'em down steps/ etc. ANYHOO, I love 'em. My life doesn't depend on 'em, but I've gotten very used to having all my crap stored there. My last one, a cracked H-Spring Pro, was recently sold on eBay (no, don't laugh, I made a decent chunk o' change off that puppy). Now I'm back to using my ol' azz Palm IIIe. Ol' School.

And send a big bawdy BAAAHHH back at me, but I'm waiting for Apple to make the killer device....

Go ahead. Say it:
 
I use a Palm Tungsten T - I've used a Palm for many years. It's always been an essential for me because I use it for calendar & contacts - like most people. None of the other applications have ever been of much use to me, until I got the Tungsten T. With Bluetooth, I now also use it as my primary means for sending and receiving SMS.

The Sony T68i and the Palm Tungsten T make a great combination, and I'm not yet convinced that these seperate types of devices are ever likely to merge - since the require different shapes & input methods.

An iPod or a Palm to too big and clunky to be used as a Mobile Phone.
 
Something big

Let's think about this for a second.
• Apple dropped the Summer Expo in a clever scheme just a few months ago.
• MWSF is now the only time everybody is paying attention to what Apple is doing (unlike people like us who are always paying attention).
• The iPod was a big success, and there's leftover technology from the Newton.
• We aren't going to see an update to the iBooks or TiBooks, and we probably won't see an update to the Power Macs, either.
• Besides, updates aren't big things (although new, faster iMacs would be cool), we really want to see a groundbreaking new device.
• I know it's already been said, but bluetooth serves little use in the iPod, Firewire really is much better for mp3.
• Jaguar featured the introduction of some neat-o handwriting gizmos (Inkwell), which serve no to even less than no purpose in today's desktop (or even laptop) computers.
• Apple hasn't even tried to get support for PocketPC devices, and that leaves out a part of the PDA market.
• With the exception of the Tungsten, Palm PDAs are pretty mediocre, which would help the introduction of any Apple PDA.
• Don't rule out the iPad/iTablet/iWhatever. Windows-based tablets are pretty lousy, Apple could whip out some cool innovation (it is what they do best).
Any Apple DLD PDA would fuse the ideals of the digital hub, the Mac OS, and the Tablet. This will definatly be something totally new (in the way the iPod was) and very creative (that wild mood ring casing, for a strange example).
 
Re: Re: iPod with bluetooth

Originally posted by lmalave


What would Bluetooth be used for in the iPod? Keep in mind Bluetooth is only about 760Kbps transfer rate. The only application I can think of would be to interface with Bluetooth headphones, but as far as I know those haven't reached the market yet. I suppose future stereo receivers might be Bluetooth enabled so they could receive streaming digital audio input, but again I don't think that's reached the market yet...

Downloading a stranger's music in the airport or on the subway. The slow speed makes it even more dirty and tempting:D
 
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