My biggest problem with the iPad Pro is lack of Apps.

[JT2002TJ]

I will absolutely NEVER understand this. Apple still makes Macs for a reason! If that's what you want... get a Mac!

iPads are for touch-based (and now drawing based) interactions. Many people can be very PROductive PROfessionals using a touch-based system.

Because I do not want to carry a laptop around with me, especially on the road. When I commute on the Long Island Rail Road (50 minutes each way everyday) I would not only have to carry my laptop but I would have to tether from my phone. When I can now VPN into my office network off of my cellular ipad pro 12.9, and RDP to my desktop or my many servers and manage them. If I had a mouse, or a touchpad, it would make it MUCH easier. Right now I use Microsoft's RDP app, and move the mouse using my finger on the screen...

If you do not see a need, that's great, you don't have to use it, but there are plenty of professionals who are working in IT, that would love to have a touchpad on their ipads. Why should we buy two devices, when one could easily do everything.

What I don't understand is how people like you feel, if you do not need it, it is pointless. And others, will act the same way, until Apple does the exact thing some people ask for, then act like it is the best thing since sliced bread. I laugh back at how so many in this forum said a stylus would be the stupidest thing to add to an ipad, well, I think we have learned that there is a serious demand for one. I have a pencil (had it since day one) and haven't used it to draw, I use it as a stylus was designed, to navigate, to take notes.
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Run a traditional desktop program and attempt to use.

You will gnaw off your own fingers in the process.

I not only use traditional desktop programs on my iPP 12.9, but manage servers, telnet into AIX boxes, and many other tasks designed for desktops. I do not want to gnaw off my fingers, I do however think my experience would be even better if I could couple it with a mouse/touchpad.

 

[friedmud]

Because I do not want to carry a laptop around with me, especially on the road. When I commute on the Long Island Rail Road (50 minutes each way everyday) I would not only have to carry my laptop but I would have to tether from my phone. When I can now VPN into my office network off of my cellular ipad pro 12.9, and RDP to my desktop or my many servers and manage them. If I had a mouse, or a touchpad, it would make it MUCH easier. Right now I use Microsoft's RDP app, and move the mouse using my finger on the screen...

If you do not see a need, that's great, you don't have to use it, but there are plenty of professionals who are working in IT, that would love to have a touchpad on their ipads. Why should we buy two devices, when one could easily do everything.

What I don't understand is how people like you feel, if you do not need it, it is pointless. And others, will act the same way, until Apple does the exact thing some people ask for, then act like it is the best thing since sliced bread. I laugh back at how so many in this forum said a stylus would be the stupidest thing to add to an ipad, well, I think we have learned that there is a serious demand for one. I have a pencil (had it since day one) and haven't used it to draw, I use it as a stylus was designed, to navigate, to take notes.
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I not only use traditional desktop programs on my iPP 12.9, but manage servers, telnet into AIX boxes, and many other tasks designed for desktops. I do not want to gnaw off my fingers, I do however think my experience would be even better if I could couple it with a mouse/touchpad.

I'm not even being facetious here: it sounds like you would enjoy a Microsoft Surface so much more. It's just what you want: touchpad, keyboard and stylus driven interface. Not trying to be an ******* or anything... just an honest observation that the iPP might not be the best tool for your particular use case. Your use-case _directly_ matches with what the Surface was designed for.

For the record I still think a _stylus_ is pointless. I _love_ my Apple Pencil... use it everyday... but I use it for what it was meant for: writing and drawing (as Jony Ive put it: "Marking"). I wasn't even the smallest bit upset when the iOS beta took away the ability to do "navigational" stuff with it as that's not what it was meant for. It's clear that Apple has designed iOS for _fingers_ and continues to push that paradigm. They will never allow a mouse for general use on an iPad (note that there are already ways to use some bluetooth mice with iPads for remote desktop).

Apple has drawn a clear line in the sand: Macs are for traditional "desktop" computing and iOS is for touch-based / hands on computing.

Both are worthwhile paradigms... it all depends on what you're trying to do. Pick the right tool for the right job...

 

[JT2002TJ]

I'm not even being facetious here: it sounds like you would enjoy a Microsoft Surface so much more. It's just what you want: touchpad, keyboard and stylus driven interface. Not trying to be an ******* or anything... just an honest observation that the iPP might not be the best tool for your particular use case. Your use-case _directly_ matches with what the Surface was designed for.

For the record I still think a _stylus_ is pointless. I _love_ my Apple Pencil... use it everyday... but I use it for what it was meant for: writing and drawing (as Jony Ive put it: "Marking"). I wasn't even the smallest bit upset when the iOS beta took away the ability to do "navigational" stuff with it as that's not what it was meant for. It's clear that Apple has designed iOS for _fingers_ and continues to push that paradigm. They will never allow a mouse for general use on an iPad (note that there are already ways to use some bluetooth mice with iPads for remote desktop).

Apple has drawn a clear line in the sand: Macs are for traditional "desktop" computing and iOS is for touch-based / hands on computing.

Both are worthwhile paradigms... it all depends on what you're trying to do. Pick the right tool for the right job...

The exact same argument about the line in the sand was said about a stylus... My iPad works great, and I am happy using it with my RDP, if you note, I stated I would be happier with a mouse, using it for within apps like Microsoft RDP, which is by far the best RDP app (all around user experience) for connecting to Windows.

I was told iPhones just weren't for me when I wanted multiple email signatures within the default mail app back on the iPhone 4. Like other things people said would never happen, and weren't necessary, it was added.

I am willing to bet, eventually it will somehow be integrated into iOS, be it a standard set of specs for RDP apps, or even universal to the OS within apps and safari. It will be, it's just when. There are simply just to many business cases scenarios where it will help users. I manage several web based business applications which work on iPads browsers (health care related apps), which users would benefit from the use of a mouse within the web browser. Heck, even the puffin browser has integrated an on screen mouse touchpad, which works great on desktop versions of web pages that are not touch screen friendly. If a user has no need for it or is offended by them, like a stylus or mouse, simply do not use one.

 

[Night Spring]

There are simply just to many business cases scenarios where it will help users. I manage several web based business applications which work on iPads browsers (health care related apps), which users would benefit from the use of a mouse within the web browser.

Can you explain what these scenarios are? Perhaps it's because I've never liked working with a mouse, or maybe I don't interact much with business websites, but I don't find myself encountering situations where I wish the iPad had a mouse. I can understand people wanting a mouse for RDP, but that's because you are interacting with a desktop UI. Are there really cases where a mouse is superior to touch / stylus input, or is a mouse needed only when people are trying to interact with desktop UI instead of a touch-based one?

 

[M. Gustave]

The exact same argument about the line in the sand was said about a stylus...

I think (hope?) that line is still there. The Apple Pencil is clearly not a 'stylus', even if Apple has ambiguously left some navigation functionality in. And if there are iOS apps that would be better with a mouse, then that's on the developer, not Apple. Developers of iOS apps need to optimize everything for touch input.

I used to want mouse input for iOS, but then I thought a lot about it, and I've changed my mind.

 

[Night Spring]

I think (hope?) that line is still there. The Apple Pencil is clearly not a 'stylus', even if Apple has ambiguously left some navigation functionality in. And if there are iOS apps that would be better with a mouse, then that's on the developer, not Apple. Developers of iOS apps need to optimize everything for touch input.

Exactly. At the system level, the selection pointers can be flaky, but the answer is to improve the touch selection mechanism, not to add on mouse cursors.

I also wouldn't mind seeing fine-point selection functions being handled with the Pencil. But the point is, it's a touch screen. Operations should be performed by touching the screen, either with finger or stylus. There shouldn't be a need for a mouse cursor.

 

[Chupa Chupa]

For example all the best games are on a Windows and PS4, on those platforms people pay £50 for a game. So we'll continue to have the best developers making games there, where as IOS will always have crap third rate games you never actually want to play if you're used to real games.

My personal belief is Apple need to ban freemium from their store, stop the selling of consumables and the freemium structure from ruining the market, games like Clash of Clans are ruining the platform.

....Then you have the other problem of a lack of a proper file system and access to system settings and files. This really restricts productivity, we'll never been able to develop on an iPad...

Your mistake is thinking the iPP is a game machine. If you are a graphic artists, a photog, or anything where drawing, making sidenotes, brainstorming and such are daily tasks it's a fantastic device. iPP is just one tool in the work tool box. Just as you wouldn't buy a saw to drive in nails, why would you buy an iPP to play games?

I'm not fan of freemium games -- detest them in fact. They ruined the experience for me 100%. But whether you or I hate them, think they should go the way of the Dodo bird is irrelevant because they make a hella lot of $, more so than $5-10 pay-one-play forever games. It's why the latter type have disappeared.

You are right, the lack of a file system is somewhat of a problem, but overcome with cloud services like Dropbox or Box. That said, I don't use the iPP (or any of my iPads) as a substitute for my Mac. Like I said, iPads are a tool. Sometimes you just need a Dremel, sometimes you need a full sized router. I think it's unfortunate that Apple is trying to suggest iPP is a "replacement" for a computer, it just confuses and disappoints people. The iPP is a fantastic tablet if used for it's strengths, and also recognizing it's weakness, like any device has.

 

[tgara]

You are right, the lack of a file system is somewhat of a problem, but overcome with cloud services like Dropbox or Box. That said, I don't use the iPP (or any of my iPads) as a substitute for my Mac. Like I said, iPads are a tool. Sometimes you just need a Dremel, sometimes you need a full sized router. I think it's unfortunate that Apple is trying to suggest iPP is a "replacement" for a computer, it just confuses and disappoints people. The iPP is a fantastic tablet if used for it's strengths, and also recognizing it's weakness, like any device has.

I agree with you on all that, but I think the IPP CAN be a PC replacement for some people, but obviously not all. Just depends on what you're trying to do. Email, surfing the web, Facebook, and sharing photos? Yeah, it can do that just like a PC. Drawing chemical structures, publishing books, or graphics-intensive photo/video edits? Not so much. Like you alluded to, you have to understand the IPP's strengths and weaknesses in light of your tasks.

 

[Night Spring]

Drawing chemical structures

This seems like it should be doable, if someopbody creates an app for it.

 

[sracer]

I'm not even being facetious here: it sounds like you would enjoy a Microsoft Surface so much more.

You are correct in that it SOUNDS LIKE he would enjoy a Surface so much more. The reality is that he probably wouldn't.

It's just what you want: touchpad, keyboard and stylus driven interface. Not trying to be an ******* or anything... just an honest observation that the iPP might not be the best tool for your particular use case. Your use-case _directly_ matches with what the Surface was designed for.

It also has so much more that the iPP DOESN'T have such as...

• a fan
• frequent system updates that can sometimes cause problems
• driver updates that DO cause problems
• lack of touch-optimized Modern UI apps for using it in tablet mode
• footprint creep of Windows over time (it sometimes gains some of that storage space back but never as much as it increased)

I'm not speaking from 2nd hand observations of blog posters and reviewers, but from long-term first-hand experience.

The Surface is a nice ultrabook that can do tablet-y things in a pinch, but strictly as a tablet, it's not a good experience.

For the record I still think a _stylus_ is pointless. I _love_ my Apple Pencil... use it everyday... but I use it for what it was meant for: writing and drawing (as Jony Ive put it: "Marking"). I wasn't even the smallest bit upset when the iOS beta took away the ability to do "navigational" stuff with it as that's not what it was meant for. It's clear that Apple has designed iOS for _fingers_ and continues to push that paradigm. They will never allow a mouse for general use on an iPad (note that there are already ways to use some bluetooth mice with iPads for remote desktop).

Apple has drawn a clear line in the sand: Macs are for traditional "desktop" computing and iOS is for touch-based / hands on computing.

Both are worthwhile paradigms... it all depends on what you're trying to do. Pick the right tool for the right job...

Apple has momentarily drawn a line in the sand. It seems like they will erase and re-draw that line soon. They've done it it in the past, they'll do it again.

There is already mouse support available for the iPad via jailbreaking (since iPad 1). It doesn't interfere with using the device via touch. "Officially speaking", there are currently 2 different mice supported with the iPad but limited to 2 different RDP apps. Those mice don't interfere with using it as a touch device. Depending upon what is announced at WWDC this year, I'll be picking up a Citrix X1 mouse to use with Jump Desktop.

You talk about "right tool for the right job", for some of us that is the iPad Pro with support for pointing devices.

 

[sflomenb]

Because I do not want to carry a laptop around with me, especially on the road. When I commute on the Long Island Rail Road (50 minutes each way everyday) I would not only have to carry my laptop but I would have to tether from my phone. When I can now VPN into my office network off of my cellular ipad pro 12.9, and RDP to my desktop or my many servers and manage them. If I had a mouse, or a touchpad, it would make it MUCH easier. Right now I use Microsoft's RDP app, and move the mouse using my finger on the screen...

If you do not see a need, that's great, you don't have to use it, but there are plenty of professionals who are working in IT, that would love to have a touchpad on their ipads. Why should we buy two devices, when one could easily do everything.

What I don't understand is how people like you feel, if you do not need it, it is pointless. And others, will act the same way, until Apple does the exact thing some people ask for, then act like it is the best thing since sliced bread. I laugh back at how so many in this forum said a stylus would be the stupidest thing to add to an ipad, well, I think we have learned that there is a serious demand for one. I have a pencil (had it since day one) and haven't used it to draw, I use it as a stylus was designed, to navigate, to take notes.
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I not only use traditional desktop programs on my iPP 12.9, but manage servers, telnet into AIX boxes, and many other tasks designed for desktops. I do not want to gnaw off my fingers, I do however think my experience would be even better if I could couple it with a mouse/touchpad.

Why not just get the new MacBook? Is that not portable enough?

 

[Channan]

They obviously aren't going to ban the freemium model, but I do wish they'd allow us to filter out apps with IAP. I'd love to be able to browse free and paid apps without them.

 

[M. Gustave]

They obviously aren't going to ban the freemium model, but I do wish they'd allow us to filter out apps with IAP. I'd love to be able to browse free and paid apps without them.

Scroll down to the bottom in the App Store, there is a link to the "Pay Once and Play" apps page.

 

[bensisko]

If you do not see a need, that's great, you don't have to use it, but there are plenty of professionals who are working in IT, that would love to have a touchpad on their ipads. Why should we buy two devices, when one could easily do everything.

What I don't understand is how people like you feel, if you do not need it, it is pointless.

... And the reverse is true. Why should those of use who like iOS as a tablet OS be forced to endure desktop UI elements and functionality?

There are already tablets out there that are 'desktop on a tablet' - why complicate a unique OS that doesn't have an equivalent? If you don't like the way iOS does things because "it's not 'pro' enough" or "it lacks desktop features" then you have other options (Windows 10, Android, and even OS X tablets). If iOS gets to be too much like a Desktop, I don't have another platform to jump to.

So, no - I don't want iOS to become yet another desktop OS. I don't want to have to manage my files, I don't want a floating point cursor, I don't want the hassles of desktop OS on my tablet. For that, I have a Surface.

 

[spiderman0616]

I 100% understand if someone says "I don't have the apps I need on iOS to make the iPad my main machine." When the 12.9" Pro came out, I was in that same boat. But by the time the 9.7" Pro came out (the size I prefer) I had figured out how to make all my workflows work in iOS without too much hassle, and now I don't miss my rMBP at all. And iOS 10 is going to improve things even more in the software side of things. I wouldn't be surprised if the iPad Pro version of iOS gets forked a bit.

HOWEVER, I 100% do NOT understand anyone who says that there have been no advancements on the iPad hardware. The sound that comes out of the quad speakers of the Pro is astonishing for how thin and light this machine is. The True Tone display is crazy. The Apple Pencil is probably the coolest Apple peripheral I have ever used in my life. And I LOVE that the keyboard uses the Smart Connector instead of Bluetooth, because over the years I have grown to HATE Bluetooth.

There is work to be done in the software department, and next week we're going to find out what's been done thus far. Hardware wise though? Holy cow, I don't know what else I could even ask for other than maybe 3D Touch.

 

[M. Gustave]

...Holy cow, I don't know what else I could even ask for other than maybe 3D Touch.

3D Touch would be awesome. I use it all the time now on my 6s+.

 

[Charlie74]

I happily paid for procreate and I now have the an incredibly awesome drawing tablet. For me the pencil is the killer app. For others it might be keyboard for a super portable lite-productivity machine. I'm not really sold on the typing experience of an iPad vs a laptop, but that value is in the eye of the beholder.

the best thing is to find the things that the iPad excels at and embrace them, rather than force it to be something it's not.

I don't get this love affair with ProCreate, I'm honestly not a fan. I find the UI, specifically the brush settings comtived at best. There are much better drawing apps available as far as I'm concerned.
[doublepost=1465241958][/doublepost]Hardware wise, I would like to see USB C, a better camera and mouse support. Software wise, well, let's just say my list isextremely long but I'll list the bigger ones.

1.) A real filesystem, this is perhaps my biggest complaint about iOS, I absolutely hate that apps have to manage their own files. In this regard Android is a lot better, by a factor of 10. Example, I am able to mount not only my personal NAS at home but my firms as well as local folders. Making accessing my files a complete ease. Sharing files between apps in OS for instance is simply a headache of epic proportion, I've never seen anything like it. Not only that but my system is littered with copies of copies of the same file, yes, you can delete these copies, but since their isn't even a global search function for files, you have to manually open each app and than try to figure out which file is the most updated, simply a mess.

2.) Multitasking, no, iOS's dual app view is far from what I would consider multitasking, not only that but less than .5% out of the 1.5 mullion plus apps in Apples App Store actually supports it. My definition of multitasking is the ability to run multiple apps in the background while I work on one in the foreground. Again, something that Android does very well.

3.), External monitor support, yes, you can connect your iDevice to a monitor or TV, however it's not very good. Not only is the resolution not supported but nor is the aspect ratio. There is also no way to change the desktop's LDPI, which means it will always look huge. My Pixel C not only supports my monitor, it supports it's 4K resolution, touch, aspect ratio, extending the desktop instead of must mirroring it and I can set a custom LDPI, mines set at 240 automatically the second I plug in my monitor. When I plug in my TV, it's set to 190, also automatically, I have different profiles for each of my external displays.

4.) Customization, I'm not just talking about the UI but also things like setting the orientation. Apps like Instagram are written for portrait only, my Pixel is able to display it in landscape using a simple app called Set Orientation. I want more power over my environment, custom icons, launchers, hardware, etc.

5.) Mouse support, tablets like the iPad Air doesn't need this but the Pro does, the second I connect my keyboard I want support for a mouse, using my fingers simply isn't good enough. Tim Cook even said himself that notebooks with touchscreens aren't a good idea, the iPad Pro definitely falls under this category once that keyboard is attached.

There is a lot more but these are the biggest ones for me, agree or not, doesn't matter, all I know is that these are features that I've been using since the 90's, I think an OS from 2016 can accommodate me.

 

[stevemiller]

I don't get this love affair with ProCreate, I'm honestly not a fan. I find the UI, specifically the brush settings comtived at best. There are much better drawing apps available as far as I'm concerned.

Certainly not perfect and plenty of room for improvement. But I'd take it over a overly cluttered UI like medibang. I can make layers and draw/paint and everything else gets out of the way, so I'm happy.

If you have good alternatives I'm always curious to try new things out.

 

[M. Gustave]

...Sharing files between apps in OS for instance is simply a headache of epic proportion, I've never seen anything like it. Not only that but my system is littered with copies of copies of the same file, yes, you can delete these copies, but since their isn't even a global search function for files, you have to manually open each app and than try to figure out which file is the most updated, simply a mess.

Without a specific example, it's hard to know what you're trying to do, and where the fault lies.

My definition of multitasking is the ability to run multiple apps in the background while I work on one in the foreground. Again, something that Android does very well.

iOS has apps that run in the background, and obviously side-by-side running apps fits any reasonable definition of 'multitasking'. Again, do you have a specific task in mind?

External monitor support, yes, you can connect your iDevice to a monitor or TV, however it's not very good.

For video playback it works great via Airplay or hdmi-->lighting adapter. For everything else, is tweaking dpi settings and aspect ratios of an external monitor connected to their tablet even something anyone should be worrying about? Do you think that type of stuff fits the direction Apple has taken for most of its existence?

Mouse support, tablets like the iPad Air doesn't need this but the Pro does, the second I connect my keyboard I want support for a mouse, using my fingers simply isn't good enough. Tim Cook even said himself that notebooks with touchscreens aren't a good idea, the iPad Pro definitely falls under this category once that keyboard is attached.

Notebooks with touchscreens aren't a good idea because they run traditional desktop operating systems, and applications optimized for mouse and keyboard input. So no, putting a keyboard on the IPP doesn't make it fall under that category.

iOS is optimized for touch, and allowing developers to bypass that will degrade the user experience for most people, while enhancing it for a very tiny, very vocal minority.

...all I know is that these are features that I've been using since the 90's, I think an OS from 2016 can accommodate me.

This is the real point. You seem to believe that an iPad should largely operate like a desktop computer from two decades ago. Why? Why not just use a Macbook? You love OS's from the 90's? Microsoft still makes one, it's called "Windows 10" now.

 

[spiderman0616]

Without a specific example, it's hard to know what you're trying to do, and where the fault lies.



iOS has apps that run in the background, and obviously side-by-side running apps fits any reasonable definition of 'multitasking'. Again, do you have a specific task in mind?



For video playback it works great via Airplay or hdmi-->lighting adapter. For everything else, is tweaking dpi settings and aspect ratios of an external monitor connected to their tablet even something anyone should be worrying about? Do you think that type of stuff fits the direction Apple has taken for most of its existence?



Notebooks with touchscreens aren't a good idea because they run traditional desktop operating systems, and applications optimized for mouse and keyboard input. So no, putting a keyboard on the IPP doesn't make it fall under that category.

iOS is optimized for touch, and allowing developers to bypass that will degrade the user experience for most people, while enhancing it for a very tiny, very vocal minority.



This is the real point. You seem to believe that an iPad should largely operate like a desktop computer from two decades ago. Why? Why not just use a Macbook? You love OS's from the 90's? Microsoft still makes one, it's called "Windows 10" now.

This all just comes down to the same old argument: Can you personally use an iPad Pro for productivity or even as your main machine, or can't you? The answer is going to be different for everyone. I think where the arguing starts is when the people who have never given it a fair shake disavow its merits.

I will admit I had my doubts for several months, but later realized that most of the time an iPad Pro running iOS 9 is just about all I need for productivity in most cases. The apps that were available to me back when I had my iPad 2/3/Air/mini 3 have already greatly changed to accommodate the iPad Pro as a productivity device. I can't believe such a compact object is doing such a good job for me as a content creation device, especially when I throw the Apple Pencil and Smart Keyboard into the mix.

It's just a matter of personal opinion and workflow in the end. No point really arguing about it. Nobody is going to change their views until they really try it.

 

[Charlie74]

Without a specific example, it's hard to know what you're trying to do, and where the fault lies.

No specific example is required, I'm talking about sharing file between apps. In Android I simply touch on Open, navigate to the directory where the file is, if I haven't used the app before and the last location wasn't saved. In iOS to move files back and fourth requires me to share the file to the app in question, creating a copy, once done editing I than need to send the back to the original app, another copy made, than to my cloud storage, another copy being made. On average of editing a single file between multiple app I create at least 4 copies of the same file. I simply want a document management system in which all apps access, the fact that apps have to manage their own apps is simply, well, bad.

iOS has apps that run in the background, and obviously side-by-side running apps fits any reasonable definition of 'multitasking'. Again, do you have a specific task in mind?

Yes, there are a few apps that run in the background but mostly audio playback and GPS. Here is an average task flow with my Pixel C, while compiling an application using a remote terminal, while streaming a video to my TV Wirelessly, while uploading a large 20GB file to OneDrive, while converting a video file to .mp4, all in the background, in the foreground I'm working on CodeEnvy on the left side of the screen and Chrome on the right. When my Pixel C is connected to my monitor, I have 4 apps opened at the same, with about 5 running in the background. 2 apps up on the Pixel C's display and 2 others on my 4K monitor. Also there just isn't that many apps that can take advantage of dual view, I think I've said this but there is less than .5% out of the 1.5 million apps available. None being the music creation apps I need to run in this view, not even Apple's own GarageBand. [/QUOTE]

For video playback it works great via Airplay or hdmi-->lighting adapter. For everything else, is tweaking dpi settings and aspect ratios of an external monitor connected to their tablet even something anyone should be worrying about? Do you think that type of stuff fits the direction Apple has taken for most of its existence?

I gave an example above on what I want to do with an external monitor. I want the ability to do more than just watch movies, also, I have a 4K TV, 1080P simply doesn't cut it. It's okay my Pixel C does this beautifully and supports 4K[/QUOTE]

Notebooks with touchscreens aren't a good idea because they run traditional desktop operating systems, and applications optimized for mouse and keyboard input. So no, putting a keyboard on the IPP doesn't make it fall under that category.

iOS is optimized for touch, and allowing developers to bypass that will degrade the user experience for most people, while enhancing it for a very tiny, very vocal minority.

The developers have nothing to do, my iPad Air, which is JailBroken has a mouse driver installed, every app I use it with it works out of the box, again, nothing needs to be done, support is already there. When I'm working with a keyboard I don't want to have to constantly reach up an over it to touch the display. I also want to attach my iPad Pro to an extension arm while I'm creating music, hovering above my head, I don't want to have to keep reaching up. Again, I have 3 iPad Air's, I had to buy 3 because iOS cannot multitask or run more than 1 music app at a time in a live situation, anyway their all JailBroken and I control them using a mouse. Never having to touch them physically. I'm just waiting for Jailbreak for iOS 9.3.

This is the real point. You seem to believe that an iPad should largely operate like a desktop computer from two decades ago. Why? Why not just use a Macbook? You love OS's from the 90's? Microsoft still makes one, it's called "Windows 10" now.

No, I don't, you misunderstood me, I want a tablet OS, again, my Pixel C offers me everything I listed above without issue. The only reason why iOS doesn't is because it's core functionality really hasn't changed since it's incarnation. Apple has to use friggen API's to add even the smallest of features to it's system as nothing talks to the system directly. Features mind you that every app developer also has to add if they want their apps to have them. In Android, the moment I enabled Multiview, every app installed could use use it, without any modifications from the app developer. IOS's walled garden is the issue here, plain and simple. Until Apple brings it down, we will never see advanced features in iOS and the IPad Pro will always be just an oversized iPod. Look. I use iPads everyday, though only for music creation, as far as everything else, I prefer my Pixel C. It's simply a more powerful system for {me}.

 

[M. Gustave]

...I prefer my Pixel C. It's simply a more powerful system for {me}.

Yeah, I got that. Think you mentioned it about a dozen times.

I'm not going to bother going point by point, you clearly have your mind made up, and nothing is going to change it.

I will just reiterate for others that your concept of how iOS is handling files is completely wrong, and your unwillingness to use cloud storage is causing most of your headaches. You also seem to be completed unaware of the security threats inherent in the "open" systems you prefer (including jailbreaking iOS devices).

To each his own, I think the Pixel C is a nice tablet, although it got some mixed reviews. But it isn't the vast difference from an iPad that you're trying to make it seem like.

 

[stevemiller]

i do have one grievance, that picture in picture multitasking support is STILL missing from the two biggest video sources, Netflix and Youtube. Netflix is so bad you can't even use slide over to reply to a message without pausing the video. youtube at least has some app alternatives, but you'd really think if apple was going to introduce such a feature they'd want to get the heavy hitters on board.

 

[JT2002TJ]

Charlie74 is 100% right about file sharing between apps... You can try to use a cloud drive, but it is app development dependent (Google drive is available for some, dropbox for others, and some can do both). With the larger storage spaces on these devices these days (I have 128 GB), it seems crazy to have to resort to cloud storage to be able to "more easily" file share between apps.

I feel like every time I'm trying to pass files around, its Russian Roulette, is it going to work, am I going to have to use Cloud storage to get around it, will the app I'm trying to use connect to that storage?

Give us a local file storage location... Come on...

 

[M. Gustave]

...With the larger storage spaces on these devices these days (I have 128 GB), it seems crazy to have to resort to cloud storage to be able to "more easily" file share between apps...

Not just between apps, but also between devices, and even between other people. Seriously, very few people I know, and very few groups work with "local" files anymore. And the OP specifically wanted to open Office files on an iPad and then on a pc... but doesn't want to use cloud storage. That's just plain silly.