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My call to AT&T
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You're loony. You're saying I can buy a subsidized AT&T Tilt on July 07, and then walk back into the same store on July 11 and buy a subsidzed iPhone 3G? Ain't gonna happen.
2G iPhone users paid full price for their phones, which is why they are being allowed to upgrade for the subsidized price. Everyone else has to follow AT&Ts rules for upgrading. They may bend the rules a bit for good customers, but your scenario will not happen.
I have not read any info from AT&T on what the non-eligible upgrade price will be, it is still TBD. ($399/$499 would a decent first guess.)
Everyone can argue back and forth all they want as it seems everyone has their own opinion and idea of what will happen 7/11. All I know is that I have been bookmarking and printing every news article and email/ conversation that I have had with AT&T or Apple and will be bringing it with me to buy my iphone and will whip out the emails and news articles citing sources if I have to. I WILL get my phone one way or the other and I suggest others do the same. AT&T will be forced to abide by Apple's wishes, Apple's direct memo, previous ways of handling iphone releases and previous statements as told by AT&T and Apple representatives when customers have inquired if they want customers.
The details of the iPhone 2.0 was just released Monday. I'm not sure the details would've been this solid 10 months ago.
Ok I guess I'll just have to bite my tongue and wait and see what is happening when it gets closer to the 11th, or what happens in the first couple days as people try to purchase. There seems to be too much information that may or may not be correct swirling around.
After all, the only thing Apple has said that I can recall, is what Steve said during the keynote. I am also having a hard time picturing the Apple Store employees becoming AT&T reps, having to answer people's AT&T service and account questions and get them signed up on a plan.
After all, the only thing Apple has said that I can recall, is what Steve said during the keynote. I am also having a hard time picturing the Apple Store employees becoming AT&T reps, having to answer people's AT&T service and account questions and get them signed up on a plan.
Well good luck with that.
No need to roll your eyes. I actually will have good luck with it, but thank you
I am a business person and own my own business, my husband is an attorney so I know how businesses work. You cannot tell a customer one thing, post it and then change your mind and not honor what you have already agreed to. Doesn't work that way unless you want to face a lot of wrath in the form of a legal issue or a public one. This may not even be an issue if AT&T does the right thing, but all I'm saying is that I will be prepared if they try to pull one over on us.
No doubt that AT&T bent their rules for 2G iPhone owners. This will be a mess!
Consider this hypothetical scenario: I bought a Tilt from AT&T on May 1st with a new contract. I got it for the subsidized price of $399 (instead of $549 retail) and a 2 year contract, and I am not eligible for another upgrade until Nov 2009.
I then bought an iPhone for $399 from AT&T on May 28th. My contract was extended by 28 days and I'm still not eligible for an upgrade until Nov. 2009.
On July 11th, I will buy a new iPhone for $199. I am eligible for the subsidized price because I have a 2G iPhone. AT&T "buys back" my old iPhone for $359. AT&T cuts me a check for $160 during the exchange, giving me a net price for my new iPhone of $239.
I take my 2 month old Tilt and sell it on eBay for $350.
AT&T eats the $150 Tilt subsidy.
Something will change before July 11th.....
I'm not saying that there's a $100 dollar iphone, I've re explained that twice already- I'm saying that if you bought the phone after May 27th, you're (supposedly) eligible to upgrade to the new one and you just pay the restocking fee or whatever it is they charge you when you return something to them. The guy on the phone said it could be only $100. I never said you'll be able to get an iphone for only $100.00. read the whole post.
I got the Touch originally because I do have WiFi around me most of the time, home & work, it would be great to not have to sign up for the data plan in my case, one less thing to carry around.
As for the price tag, I'm thinking of buying the iPhone 3G at the subsidized price (my contract with AT&T is up just days before the 3G is released) and just canceling the plan when I get home (+$175). The phone would still cost less that the original iPhone by $25 and I wouldn't have a 2 year contract.
i don't recall seeing an announcement that ATT will be buying anyones iphones back. they will just let you buy the new one, and if you bought a phone in the last 30 days you can return it and pay a restock fee, which is a standard procedure for any phone and not iphone specific
Actually I was surprised, if you look on the left side of the macrumors home page, it has a link to their blog where it talks about AT&T giving people the difference back between the new and old I-phone if they bought it after may 27th... I wonder if they'll actually do that.
From a buisness perspective that is not a good decision. They will not be buying back anyone's or for that matter requesting the previous generation back. I'm not going to promise (b/c I think that anything can happen) that they won't do that but I can bet that they won't do it.
The credit check is not on the amount of credit. The credit check is on how well you pay your bills. This time around you can go into a store and ask them to run it and if it isn't better then ask them what the deposit is. If its less than $300 there is a possibility that the manager can override it. We won't stop at anything to help a customer out that is within our power. Another thing, the deposit is kind of like a savings plan lol. You pay it, we give it back to you at the end of twelve mths (provided there is no disconnects) and you get it back with interest... so. anyway... PM me if you have any other questions.
I suspect that your Tilt subsidy will take precedence, and you will not be able to get the 3G for $199/$299 on the 11th. Maybe AT&T will be nice or make a mistake and give you a cut rate 3G, but I doubt they would intend to give you two subsidies within two months. But good luck with that.
Sorry to come off mean - but there is so much misinformation being pout out there! Someone who just bought a new 2G like you said should be able to return it, get their money back minus a restock fee (10%?), then buy the 3G for $199/$299. In a way they're making money on the deal. Any 2G owners on AT&T will get $199/$299 deal for the 3G, as will other AT&T subs who are "upgrade eligible" and new subs.
If you're not "upgrade eligible" but a AT&T rep said you could have the phone for $199, then that will be interesting.
I'm reading so many threads/posts that AT&T will give "everybody" a 3G for $199, which won't be true under the current plan.
that is essentially tacking on a few weeks to the 30 day return policy already in place for all phones. which i think is the right thing for them to do since that is about when the last of the iPhones were available. for those before May 27, my guess is that you will be able to but a new 3G one for $199/$299
How can any previous iphone user be eligible for an official upgrade? They won't be, the first gen came out a year ago. A new contract was put into place when they bought it. Nobody will be "officially" upgradable, but what they mean by upgradable is that if you're in good standing they start a NEW 2 year contract and you pay the 199/299 (unless you bought an iphone after may 27th). I really don't understand what all the confusion with this is. I think everyone is taking the word "upgrade" in one specific way. If you're not in good standing with ATT or have bad credit, obviously you're going to have a problem "upgrading" to a new phone. People eligible for THIS upgrade are ones who pay their bills etc. Sitting here and speculating is not going to change anything so I don't understand why people are getting so heated in here and making snide comments towards other people. The reason I'm so adamant about what I heard is because I indeed heard it from a rep and I'm not just making up stuff. While it's true that the reps may not know what's going on either, a good portion of them are saying what I've heard as well. There is no way that they're not going to make the iphone available for that fixed price. The whole point of the ending keynote was to point out that a majority of the people without iphones would have bought them, had they been more affordable. The fixed pricing is to MAKE it more affordable. Why on earth would steve jobs put a blot on his name and apple's name to give a false hope? They're usually fairly honest with their products.
I suspect that your Tilt subsidy will take precedence, and you will not be able to get the 3G for $199/$299 on the 11th. Maybe AT&T will be nice or make a mistake and give you a cut rate 3G, but I doubt they would intend to give you two subsidies within two months. But good luck with that.
This is hypothetical - but this is exactly how it will work. 2G iPhone owners are SPECIFICALLY exempt from any upgrade eligibility requirements - no matter what they were before the activated their 2Gs.
Don't have much experience in the real world do you? All that will get you is laughed at...
The policies will be what they are.... they are not going to circumvent them because you deluded yourself into believing something else.
I suspect that your Tilt subsidy will take precedence, and you will not be able to get the 3G for $199/$299 on the 11th. Maybe AT&T will be nice or make a mistake and give you a cut rate 3G, but I doubt they would intend to give you two subsidies within two months. But good luck with that.
Yeah I wonder about that too. I know people have done this over the last year.
Since the iPhone was not subsidized, i suspect anyone who went out and tried to pull a fast one by getting another phone to sell will still find themselves under contract for that phone, even though they are not under contract for the iPhone.
Nothing is free in this world, and I suspect AT&T will get their pound of flesh from those who thought they were tricking them.
#1 The Document in question was leaked into the public mediaNo need to roll your eyes. I actually will have good luck with it, but thank you
This may not even be an issue if AT&T does the right thing, but all I'm saying is that I will be prepared if they try to pull one over on us.
#2 IT WAS INTERNAL not for public eyes
#3 Every at&t employee that I know (including myself) is covering themselves by stating "SUBJECT TO CHANGE"
I do not know when the finalized Ts and Cs are going to be announced, but be sure that I will be mad myself if some of the facts are misconstrued.
Yeah but it also depends on how AT&T wants to treat things.
People have a 2 year contract from their throw-away phone. I know a lot of people who wanted an iPhone but bought another phone first so they could sell it on EBAY. Then they got the iPhone since it did not really impact their contract except by a few weeks.
I just would not be surprised if these people are told they can not upgrade, because they are still under contract for their throw-away phone. So technically everyone with a 2G iPhone will not automatically be eligible. Ultimately that is AT&T's call though.
Okay here is the official word. You HAVE to be eligible to upgrade in order to get the iPhone 3G for the subsidized price. No if ands or buts about it. I talked with my manager and from what they have been told and the intranet's information, its looking more and more final. They haven't come up with the official unsubsidized price yet. Now I know that people are getting sick with me and other employees saying that it is all subject to change but it really is.
EVERYTHING whether unsubsidized or subsidized has a 2 yr contract added to the line for the iPhone 3G. Even if you purchase the phone for the unsubsidized price you will be signing a new agreement that starts from the day that you sign the new agreement till two years later.
Straight from the horse's mouth:
What if a non-2G iPhone customer isn't eligible for the upgrade but still wants to do so?
Customers can always upgrade early, but they will have to pay the full price and sign a new 2-yr. agreement Out of policy upgrades are not allowed and there are no exceptions in this rule Offer the customer an opportunity to come back and purchase the iPhone 3G at the discounted price when they are eligible.
EVERYTHING whether unsubsidized or subsidized has a 2 yr contract added to the line for the iPhone 3G. Even if you purchase the phone for the unsubsidized price you will be signing a new agreement that starts from the day that you sign the new agreement till two years later.
Straight from the horse's mouth:
What if a non-2G iPhone customer isn't eligible for the upgrade but still wants to do so?
Customers can always upgrade early, but they will have to pay the full price and sign a new 2-yr. agreement Out of policy upgrades are not allowed and there are no exceptions in this rule Offer the customer an opportunity to come back and purchase the iPhone 3G at the discounted price when they are eligible.