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My iPhone 6s Plus Gone From Buttery-Smooth to Extremely Laggy Around the 11-month Point

macmee said:
yeah.... so I think you will find that you're now trying to justify "well you don't need apps" as you've just learned that old versions of iOS are basically dead when it comes to apps. I'm pretty sure you now see the problem I was originally trying to convey :p
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No, you said I must not use custom apps, and I showed you why I don't use these apps. I don't have any of these apps installed on any of iOS devices except YouTube on my 7Plus. Just because you do, does not mean that I do, or my GF does. We have no need for the apps. They take up space, drain battery and store tons of unneeded cached files.
 
Mlrollin91 said:
No, you said I must not use custom apps, and I showed you why I don't use these apps. I don't have any of these apps installed on any of iOS devices except YouTube on my 7Plus. Just because you do, does not mean that I do, or my GF does. We have no need for the apps. They take up space, drain battery and store tons of unneeded cached files.
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Look. I'm happy for you and your girlfriend. I'm sure you have many wonderful adventures with the iPad 2 running whatever apps you're running.

However, you really cannot sit there and tell me that it doesn't matter that ios 7 cannot run apps such as youtube, facebook, messenger, skype, basically the majority of the 100 most popular apps that people run. Of course it matters because those apps are really popular and most iPad owners want to run them. So the fact that you have to update iOS to a version that's practically unusable just to run the latest version of facebook, is pretty damning to me, and is a clear example of the sort of implicit planned obsoleteness that apple practises so infamously.
 
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macmee said:
Look. I'm happy for you and your girlfriend. I'm sure you have many wonderful adventures with the iPad 2 running whatever apps you're running.

However, you really cannot sit there and tell me that it doesn't matter that ios 7 cannot run apps such as youtube, facebook, messenger, skype, basically the majority of the 100 most popular apps that people run. Of course it matters because those apps are really popular and most iPad owners want to run them. So the fact that you have to update iOS to a version that's practically unusable just to run the latest version of facebook, is pretty damning to me, and is a clear example of the sort of implicit planned obsoleteness that apple practises so infamously.
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As I previously mentioned, if a newer version of the app requires iOS 8 or later, you can still download the previous version. So its not like you are out the app entirely, you just don't get the new update with the latest APIs. You still get a working app.

This has absolutely nothing to do with planned obsolescence. How is this any different than trying to install a modern day piece of software on a computer running Windows XP. You can't. Its how things work. They are not intentionally crippling the device. The hardware is limited.

This is just started to circle, so respond if you want, but I think its run its course.
 
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Mlrollin91 said:
As I previously mentioned, if a newer version of the app requires iOS 8 or later, you can still download the previous version. So its not like you are out the app entirely, you just don't get the new update with the latest APIs. You still get a working app. They are not intentionally crippling the device. The hardware is limited.

This has absolutely nothing to do with planned obsolescence. How is this any different than trying to install a modern day piece of software on a computer running Windows XP. You can't. Its how things work.
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That's a poor comparison because windows 10 has great 32bit support and runs very well on low end hardware. In fact, Microsoft has (or at least used to) offer windows for free for low end devices.

And old apps eventually die because APIs are deprecated, bugs never get fixed and the software you in some cases paid to acquire basically loses its pulse.
 
CreativeC said:
And yet, I can run Windows 10 on a computer that ran windows XP just fine and I can run the latest Ubuntu on 5-8 year old hardware and it runs just fine. As you go on, you generally should optimize stuff, not add more bloat.



You don't say Sherlock? Too bad soon after Apple forces you to upgrade because otherwise you can no longer install recent apps. Also, you can't downgrade no longer in case you mistakenly upgrade.
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Pootmatoot said:
Slightly bizarre given Windows goes the opposite way. Put a Windows Vista machine on Windows 7. Massive speed increase. Again with Windows 8.

Put that same machine on Windows 10, and it zips along even better.
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And where is desktop computing in its evolutionary path compared to mobile computing? Talk about apples and oranges.
 
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macmee said:
This isn't true either. You are basically forced into updating iOS if you want to continue getting updates for your apps.

See, THIS is where Apple is exceptionally evil. They simply DROP support to developers for old versions of iOS.

Want to run ios 7 on your ipad 3 forever? Too bad, nobody supports it anymore, Apple doesn't supply developer images anymore and you're basically screwed.
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Isn't it mostly developers that drop the support?
 
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CreativeC said:
Let me know how your 7+ will work on iOS 11 or iOS 12. But I bet you won't find out because you'll be upgrading ASAP like the good boy your are.
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I'll come back around when that happens. My 3GS, 4s and 6+ all served me well for about 2 years or longer, even when updating to the newest software. I only kept my 5s for a year due to the larger screen available with the 6/6+.

We're there hiccups and minor issues? Sure. I even had some terrible keyboard lag on early versions of iOS 4 on my 3GS, but the problems were resolved in subsequent updates. I ended up installing iOS 6 on that 3GS and it was used by my son for a couple of years as an iPod touch. My 4s had issues with battery life after some of the major software upgrades, but those too were resolved with subsequent updates. My 6+ was actually a good performer and I was considering keeping it for another year but Verizon was offering a $650 trade in credit that I just couldn't refuse.
 
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Pootmatoot said:
Ummm... Android improves on old hardware just like Windows does...
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Is it that they actually improve from something good to better or is it that they improve from something that is just OK or perhaps below average to something that is good or just OK? And how does that relate to the majority of Android phones that don't even get new software versions and come out with older ones even when newer versions are available? To top all that off, given how many different hardware and and software versions we are talking about when it comes to Android we are still in apples vs. oranges territory.
 
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CreativeC said:
You might want to re-think that.
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Glad to see another tin foil hat who believes there is planned obsolescence around here...
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CreativeC said:
No need. See this graph. Also, look at the comparison videos on "EverythingApplePro" youtube channel and notice how the same iOS version runs slower and slower on "old" devices.
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Oh yes. Designing an OS for a phone with 2+ GB RAM shouldn't ever make the same OS run slow on a 512 MB (or even 1 GB) RAM phone...... smh
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macmee said:
People who are adamant that iOS runs great on old devices have clearly never tried running ios 9 and up on an ipad 3
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See my previous post: with RAM increases, why do you think an OS designed for a 2GB RAM phone would run on a 512 MB RAM device...?
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CreativeC said:
And yet, I can run Windows 10 on a computer that ran windows XP just fine and I can run the latest Ubuntu on 5-8 year old hardware and it runs just fine. As you go on, you generally should optimize stuff, not add more bloat.



You don't say Sherlock? Too bad soon after Apple forces you to upgrade because otherwise you can no longer install recent apps. Also, you can't downgrade no longer in case you mistakenly upgrade.
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We're discussing mobile OS... Macs from 10 years ago, if they have the RAM, can easily run new OS fine (I have a 2007 MacBook with 8 GB RAM that runs beautifully, with an SSD too). It also speaks to the refinements and features from Apple vs Windows. Windows 10 barely does anything new (beyond Cortana, almost nothing) while each macOS update has many new features.
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macmee said:
This isn't true either. You are basically forced into updating iOS if you want to continue getting updates for your apps.

See, THIS is where Apple is exceptionally evil. They simply DROP support to developers for old versions of iOS.

Want to run ios 7 on your ipad 3 forever? Too bad, nobody supports it anymore, Apple doesn't supply developer images anymore and you're basically screwed.
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Oh yes. Because Apple is manipulating thousands of app developers, forcing them to design apps for the newest OS only.....
 
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Mlrollin91 said:
Restore the phone and everything should be fine and well again. I had an iPad 2 that lasted over 4 years. The only reason it didn't work anymore was because I installed iOS 9 on it and the lack of RAM made it impossible to browse the web. Safari would constantly crash. My GFs iPad 2 is still on 7.1.2. Almost 6 years old and still running great. The only thing she does is erase all settings and content about every 18 months. It cleans it up.
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Same here on the iPad 2. Got mine in Sept 2011 and just replaced it April 2016 with a Air 2.
The main reason I replaced the iPad 2 was diminishing battery life. But got close to five years on it.
My 6 Plus runs good on iOS 10 after a restore as new.
 
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macmee said:
That's a poor comparison because windows 10 has great 32bit support and runs very well on low end hardware. In fact, Microsoft has (or at least used to) offer windows for free for low end devices.

And old apps eventually die because APIs are deprecated, bugs never get fixed and the software you in some cases paid to acquire basically loses its pulse.
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Microsoft also dumbs down Windows, for the device you have. You'd never get Windows home, let alone professional, for a low spec device...
 
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macTW said:
See my previous post: with RAM increases, why do you think an OS designed for a 2GB RAM phone would run on a 512 MB RAM device...?
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Android Nougat 7 runs on a $40 512MB Posh Micro... and can run GTA: San Andreas...

Stop pretending Apple is still King of the Hill. They're not.

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macTW said:
Microsoft also dumbs down Windows, for the device you have. You'd never get Windows home, let alone professional, for a low spec device...
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It dumbs down... for fridges and toasters.

I've seen Windows 10 Professional working well on 1990 laptops.
 
macTW said:
Microsoft also dumbs down Windows, for the device you have. You'd never get Windows home, let alone professional, for a low spec device...
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No they don't? You can even get 32bit versions of enterprise if you want...

macTW said:
Oh yes. Because Apple is manipulating thousands of app developers, forcing them to design apps for the newest OS only.....
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C DM said:
Isn't it mostly developers that drop the support?
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No you're both wrong, Apple simply cuts out support in xcode for old versions of ios 7, making it really hard for developers to continue supporting. iOS developers have been complaining about it for years, see: https://twitter.com/jamesthomson/status/747451011183280128?lang=en
 
macmee said:
No they don't? You can even get 32bit versions of enterprise if you want...




No you're both wrong, Apple simply cuts out support in xcode for old versions of ios 7, making it really hard for developers to continue supporting. iOS developers have been complaining about it for years, see: https://twitter.com/jamesthomson/status/747451011183280128?lang=en
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That's interesting to see, I didn't know that. But that's for older than iOS 7, of which nobody should be using (even iPad 2, the holy grail for longevity, works well on 7).

I reckon Apple wants the apps, to preserve the known quality of the app store, to run well on the latest phones aka the most advanced phones, which, due to technological changes, renders them obsolete on older phones (namely, RAM issues).
 
macTW said:
That's interesting to see, I didn't know that. But that's for older than iOS 7, of which nobody should be using (even iPad 2, the holy grail for longevity, works well on 7).

I reckon Apple wants the apps, to preserve the known quality of the app store, to run well on the latest phones aka the most advanced phones, which, due to technological changes, renders them obsolete on older phones (namely, RAM issues).
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nah this is ios 7 sadly as well. So everything including ios 7 and down is just not supported at all in new versions of xcode. And you have to be running the new version of xcode to develop for ios 10, to use with the latest version of swift, etc.

I don't think they've dropped ios 8 support in xcode yet but if not then probably will soon too.

Apple always does this. Another example with Macs: All the powerpcs are stuck on 10.5.8. If you go to the ppc forum here you'll see some people complain about this and point out that even in 2016 Microsoft is supporting windows xp (some version of it meant for companies though). Obviously in 2016 powerpcs are pretty much dead but the dual core G5s and quad core G5s could definitely handle 10.6, 10.7, 10.8 and onward.
 
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macmee said:
nah this is ios 7 sadly as well. So everything including ios 7 and down is just not supported at all in new versions of xcode. And you have to be running the new version of xcode to develop for ios 10, to use with the latest version of swift, etc.

I don't think they've dropped ios 8 support in xcode yet but if not then probably will soon too.

Apple always does this. Another example with Macs: All the powerpcs are stuck on 10.5.8. If you go to the ppc forum here you'll see some people complain about this and point out that even in 2016 Microsoft is supporting windows xp (some version of it meant for companies though). Obviously in 2016 powerpcs are pretty much dead but the dual core G5s and quad core G5s could definitely handle 10.6, 10.7, 10.8 and onward.
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The PowerPCs use completely different architecture than the Intel processors that are currently used. Meanwhile Microsoft has been using the same architecture since well before XP.
 
T5BRICK said:
You don't understand how hardware and software work together if you think what they're showing is "planned obsolescence."
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It's absolutely planned obsolescence. There is absolutely no reason for an OS update to cripple hardware at this generation. Apple wants us to replace every apple device once a year and I believe they are tweaking the code to make sure we can't stay on older hardware.
 
Tor Eckman said:
It's absolutely planned obsolescence. There is absolutely no reason for an OS update to cripple hardware at this generation. Apple wants us to replace every apple device once a year and I believe they are tweaking the code to make sure we can't stay on older hardware.
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Cripple hardware? I don't think the vast majority are experiencing anyrhint even remotely close to anything like that.
 
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Cripple hardware? I don't think the vast majority are experiencing anyrhint even remotely close to anything like that.
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I think the term " vast majority" needs to be defined because pretty much any rational unbiased person on this forum agrees planned obsolescence exists
 
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