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My new base 2.2 blows away my i9!

fate0311 said:
Yea let me spend 3899 on my i9 and then rip apart the entire laptop to re-paste a processor.

Some of you guys are nuts, whether it is like clockwork for you doing it or not it is about principle.

None of you should have to do this to begin with.
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I completely agree, I think I've indicated a lot on this forum that I'm having issues with this machine that I shouldn't be having and that I'm 60/40 on bringing it back.

For instance I can't get acceptable performance in Bootcamp without installing my own drivers for the Gpu and underclocking the CPU with Xtu or Throttlesto: unacceptable. I get the crackling speakers if I try to stress the system while music is playing after 10 minutes, forcing me to restart whatever I was doing: unacceptable. I can't play Fortnite on Mac even though they used it for advertisement: unacceptable. And finally an i7 2.2ghz gets 98% the same performance of my i9 even though it's at least $400(?) cheaper: unacceptable.

For me personally they have this coming week to fix most of these; and if not it's going back as I'm not a beta tester for a machine that cost me $4500. In the mean time I'm trying things out, see what I can do to make this thing work the way it's supposed to.
 
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GerritB said:
I completely agree, I think I've indicated a lot on this forum that I'm having issues with this machine that I shouldn't be having and that I'm 60/40 on bringing it back.

For instance I can't get acceptable performance in Bootcamp without installing my own drivers for the Gpu and underclocking the CPU with Xtu or Throttlesto: unacceptable. I get the crackling speakers if I try to stress the system while music is playing after 10 minutes, forcing me to restart whatever I was doing: unacceptable. I can't play Fortnite on Mac even though they used it for advertisement: unacceptable. And finally an i7 2.2ghz gets 98% the same performance of my i9 even though it's at least $400(?) cheaper: unacceptable.

For me personally they have this coming week to fix most of these; and if not it's going back as I'm not a beta tester for a machine that cost me $4500. In the mean time I'm trying things out, see what I can do to make this thing work the way it's supposed to.
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I like your attitude. Still I would not entirely blame Apple here!

Intel is playing a marketing game, naming CPUs just for their frequencies w/o any underlying differences in most cases.

If Apple did not give users the option of the top CPU everyone would be screaming they wanted the i9 as a BTO option. So here we are.

Definitely not a perfect world. I’m going for a base 2.2Ghz for my 2018 13” MBP because performance is not that different and I value battery life more these days.
 
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JohnnyGo said:
If Apple did not give users the option of the top CPU everyone would be screaming they wanted the i9 as a BTO option. So here we are.

Definitely not a perfect world. I’m going for a base 2.2Ghz for my 2018 13” MBP because performance is not that different and I value battery life more these days.
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Totally agree. I’m also leaning towards the 2.2 or 2.6 but I’ll wait a bit longer for the smoke to clear a bit more. So much noise out there right now and no clear information yet.
 
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Jorg1312 said:
Totally agree. I’m also leaning towards the 2.2 or 2.6 but I’ll wait a bit longer for the smoke to clear a bit more. So much noise out there right now and no clear information yet.
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Esp bc this was Apples first stab at resolution of the issue. I would bet they’ll do some more tweaking.
 
Has there been any progress in locating comparisons between 2.2 and 2.6? Or should I just read through the thread where someone said that MacBook Pros aren’t professional machines for fun?
 
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Petetastic said:
Has there been any progress in locating comparisons between 2.2 and 2.6? Or should I just read through the thread where someone said that MacBook Pros aren’t professional machines for fun?
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Reading the comments in this review they are supposed to share an i9 review tomorrow morning that includes some insights between all processors. No idea how in-depth the comparisons will be: https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...acbook-pro-is-much-more-than-a-spec-bump/amp/
 
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Petetastic said:
Has there been any progress in locating comparisons between 2.2 and 2.6? Or should I just read through the thread where someone said that MacBook Pros aren’t professional machines for fun?
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There already have been a lot of comparisons between both processors and the 2,2GhZ version is at least as fast as the 2.6

I have returned my 2,6 and am waiting for the base model atm. My benchmarks were way lower than the average from the 2,2 users
 
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fate0311 said:
Not to be a prick but how funny would it be for Mojave to roll out and all models are optimized respectively.
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I don't think it will make a huge difference but I kind of agree. There is a chance Mojave will bring further improvements.

It's difficult to decided right now which model to get unless you know for sure the base model will cover your needs.
 
I have several laptops. For what it's worth, here are the cinebench results for each.

1. Alienware 15r4 2.2ghz 6 core i7 - 1175
2. 2018 MacBook Pro 15 i9 post update - 1029
3. Thinkpad X1 4 core 8650U - 639
4. 2015 15" MacBook Pro 2.8ghz - 619
5. 2015 15" MacBook Pro 2.2ghz - 589
6. 2008 15" MacBook Pro 2.66ghz core 2 duo - 147
7. 2014 15" Thinkpad W530 quad core 2.2ghz - 596

I usually go for the lowest clocked cpu of each generation unless I need other specs like storage and ram to be higher and in that case I buy whatever I don't have to order, basically whatever the apple store has on hand or amazon has with prime so that is why most of these are the highest speed of the generation but as a rule I find that with each generation the lowest speed cpu is pretty much just as fast as the highest speed one. Don't waste your money unless you need a larger hard drive and more ram like me.
 
tcador said:
Reading the comments in this review they are supposed to share an i9 review tomorrow morning that includes some insights between all processors. No idea how in-depth the comparisons will be: https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...acbook-pro-is-much-more-than-a-spec-bump/amp/
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Looks like it just dropped: https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...op-apple-has-ever-made-but-it-could-be-better

I just skimmed through it but only saw some comparisons between the i7 and i9, but nothing specifically between the 2.2 and 2.6. I'm hoping they have another one specifically for the 2.6 that will compare to the 2.2, but we'll have to see.

Is that five percent speed increase from this year's i7 15-inch MacBook Pro worth an additional $300 for what you do day-to-day for the i9 upgrade on top of the $3000 plus for the computer in the first place? We can't tell you that for sure, and that depends on how much time you save with that five percent, and how valuable that time is to you.
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Kpjoslee said:
That is like lowest score I have seen with Alienware 17R5. Most of other reviews I have seen scores from 1150 to 1300.

Only advantage i9 has over i7 2.2 and 2.6 is its ability to boost clocks higher, but in thermally constrained chasis like Macbook Pro, its advantage simply disappears. I expect any workload that stresses 6 cores long enough, there wouldn't be much difference between 2.2, 2.6, and 2.9.
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YESSS This is exactly right and this is what people don't seem to understand. The awful thermal paste jobs apple does could land an i7 in i9 territory very easily.
 
fate0311 said:
Yea let me spend 3899 on my i9 and then rip apart the entire laptop to re-paste a processor.

Some of you guys are nuts, whether it is like clockwork for you doing it or not it is about principle.

None of you should have to do this to begin with.
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You think that is crazy? Just look at some of the stuff people do over at lapotop owner forums out there and it does appear this behaviour to be like clockwork for many.

- Repaste not only the CPU, but the GPU
- Use various programmes/mods to undervolt, change fan control and rework various CPU functions
- Buy thermal pads from amazon and wrap components (e.g. SSD, Mofset heaksinks etc)
- Polish, yes, POLISH the heatpipes
- CPU Retention clip mod (oh god..)
- Other modifications that I have not mentioned

I too can't see myself buying a machine for £2000+ and doing that and it's not because I am worried I'll break something, it just doesn't sit right with me.
 
Ma2k5 said:
You think that is crazy? Just look at some of the stuff people do over at lapotop owner forums out there and it does appear this behaviour to be like clockwork for many.

- Repaste not only the CPU, but the GPU
- Use various programmes/mods to undervolt, change fan control and rework various CPU functions
- Buy thermal pads from amazon and wrap components (e.g. SSD, Mofset heaksinks etc)
- Polish, yes, POLISH the heatpipes
- CPU Retention clip mod (oh god..)

I too can't see myself buying a machine for £2000+ and doing that and it's not because I am worried I'll break something, just doesn't sit right with me.
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I think its crazy because all of those things instantly invalidate your warranty and if a problem occurs beyond your skillset you could end up with a £2000+ brick on your hands.
 
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The Mercurian said:
I think its crazy because all of those things instantly invalidate your warranty and if a problem occurs beyond your skillset you could end up with a £2000+ brick on your hands.
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Some of those don't even appear to invalidate your warranty with several of the manufacturers, including replacing/upgrading components and even re-pasting. The polishing of the heatpipes and the clip mod probably would though?
 
Ma2k5 said:
Some of those don't even appear to invalidate your warranty with several of the manufacturers, including replacing/upgrading components and even re-pasting. The polishing of the heatpipes and the clip mod probably would though?
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Well lets restrict it to Apple I don't know what the others do. All of those things would invalidate the warranty on your macbook pro.
 
Last night, I used my BTO 2.2/555x/16/1tb to do a youtube live stream using Wirecast for our company. It was over 2 hours long and this laptop performed beautifully. It maintained low-mid 3ghz range the entire time and I think we only had 18 dropped frames over the course of 2 hours. Wirecast was set for Apple h.264 4mb youtube live and at the same time, x264 4mb stream writing to the SSD. We used the always fun double dongle TB3 to TB2 -> TB2 to Firewire for camera 1 and Wirecast's iOS app on an iPhone 8 plus for Cam 2. I was able to do other work on the laptop while this was going on in the background.

This laptop replaces a 2017 15 2.9/560/16/512 going to a new employee. I'm very happy with the improvements.

We've been using Wirecast since 2010 for this yearly event. First year would have been on a windows laptop as I switched to Mac in 2011 but assume intel's latest every successive year. I remember when those dual cores or early quad cores would choke on something like this.

Benchmarking: After days of initial macOS setup and data synchronization, and an idle machine, gives me just barely over 5000/22000 in geekbench and just under 1000 in cinebench.
 
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