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Apple makes undoubtedly a ton of money with lightning cables and accessories, but I wonder how many Android users they are missing because of that. If they decide to go wireless charging only to avoid the EU regulation about USB C (assuming that the EU accepts it) I will never consider iPhone as an option (wireless charging is a nice additional option but very inefficient and bad for the battery in the long run as the only option)

I dumped my Samsung phones for the iPhone. I don't care for the Lightning cable as my iPads are all USB-C now but I just view it as a minor inconvenience. I still have six Android tablets but I'd never go back to Android for a new phone or tablet.
 
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I dumped my Samsung phones for the iPhone. I don't care for the Lightning cable as my iPads are all USB-C now but I just view it as a minor inconvenience. I still have six Android tablets but I'd never go back to Android for a new phone or tablet.
for me it's more than a minor inconvenience, and it's also a matter of principle. I vote with my wallet because the only reason lightning is still there is greed.
 
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for me it's more than a minor inconvenience, and it's also a matter of principle. I vote with my wallet because the only reason lightning is still there is greed.
I don’t think that’s the case at all. Changing the charging port of an iPhone isn’t something to be done lightheartedly. The first time they did it there was uproar but it was absolutely necessary at the time - the old 30 pin was dated, slow, big and effectively holding back the iPhone. Changing it to usbc is a matter of opinion as to whether its necessary. A great deal of iPhone users have loads of lightening cables strategically located around the place. To be honest, it will be more of a hinderence to many more people than a benefit. Most people with an iPhone wouldn’t even know the difference other than they need new cables now.
that’s why Apple is reluctant to change it - not greed.
 
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I don’t think that’s the case at all. Changing the charging port of an iPhone isn’t something to be done lightheartedly. The first time they did it there was uproar but it was absolutely necessary at the time - the old 30 pin was dated, slow, big and effectively holding back the iPhone. Changing it to usbc is a matter of opinion as to whether its necessary. A great deal of iPhone users have loads of lightening cables strategically located around the place. To be honest, it will be more of a hinderence to many more people than a benefit. Most people with an iPhone wouldn’t even know the difference other than they need new cables now.
that’s why Apple is reluctant to change it - not greed.
The smartphone/tablet world has moved to USB C, but let's just agree to disagree on this point.
 
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The smartphone/tablet world has moved to USB C, but let's just agree to disagree on this point.
Oh, I do agree.
But the iPhone population of this world hasn’t moved to usbc. I would wager the majority of these users only have an iPhone and no other phones or pro iPads or anything the likes of us have. at the most some of them will have the iPhone, maybe a mac or a pc, maybe a normal ipad, maybe a watch. None of these people will notice any benefits from needing to change all of their cables.
 
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Oh, I do agree.
But the iPhone population of this world hasn’t moved to usbc. I would wager the majority of these users only have an iPhone and no other phones or pro iPads or anything the likes of us have. at the most some of them will have the iPhone, maybe a mac or a pc, maybe a normal ipad, maybe a watch. None of these people will notice any benefits from needing to change all of their cables.
These people will need to move on at some point, lightning is not there forever. Apple would gladly milk it for as long as possible (that's the point I was referring to when I said let's agree to disagree, greed, but granted my message could be easily misunderstood the way I phrased it) but at least they have now someone more powerful than them in the EU Commission to prevent this. We'll see if their greed will translate into them removing the port and leaving wireless charging only to promote magsafe accessories or if they move to USB C as the rest of the world.
 
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I don’t think that’s the case at all. Changing the charging port of an iPhone isn’t something to be done lightheartedly. The first time they did it there was uproar but it was absolutely necessary at the time - the old 30 pin was dated, slow, big and effectively holding back the iPhone. Changing it to usbc is a matter of opinion as to whether its necessary. A great deal of iPhone users have loads of lightening cables strategically located around the place. To be honest, it will be more of a hinderence to many more people than a benefit. Most people with an iPhone wouldn’t even know the difference other than they need new cables now.
that’s why Apple is reluctant to change it - not greed.

Of course it's greed.

Apple had the perfect excuse with the iPhone 13. The iPad mini is now usb-c so the transition is now basically complete. The new Series 7 Watch requires the usb cable for faster charging. And the ProRes format on the new phones creates such large files that it's absolutely insane to stick to slow lightning transfers.

Lightning on the iPhone 13 makes no sense whatsoever in terms of user experience. It's all about the dollars.

I preordered the iPhone 13 mini and iPad mini 6 and picked them both up day of release. I ended up returning the mini 6 due to jelly scrolling but that aside I dropped thousands of dollars on brand new devices and would have had to carry around two different cables to keep them charged. Madness.

People buying iPhone 13 would have no right cry over needing to replace old lightning cables with usb-c ones. You could buy a usb-c cable for every room in your house for less than an Apple branded phone case.
 
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Oh, I do agree.
But the iPhone population of this world hasn’t moved to usbc. I would wager the majority of these users only have an iPhone and no other phones or pro iPads or anything the likes of us have. at the most some of them will have the iPhone, maybe a mac or a pc, maybe a normal ipad, maybe a watch. None of these people will notice any benefits from needing to change all of their cables.
I used to agree with this until I got the iPad Pro, now it’s annoying as hell to flip around cables, especially me who spends half my life away from home at work lol
 
Plenty more annoyances on android, doesn’t mean iPhone is perfect
Android has its advantages too, in addition to USB C, especially for people who use Windows PCs and who do not use iMessage because where they live it's 100% WhatsApp... including a wider choice of sizes and features (e.g. once Apple removes the mini from the line there is no more mini iPhone, granted finding an Android flagship under 6in is rare but still possible). The fact of having a longer support is not enough in itself to justify any annoyance, especially when camera advancements make it hard to keep a phone for over 4 years and still have a camera which is close to the current best in the market (if you care about the camera)
 
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Android has its advantages too, in addition to USB C, especially for people who use Windows PCs and who do not use iMessage because where they live it's 100% WhatsApp... including a wider choice of sizes and features (e.g. once Apple removes the mini from the line there is no more mini iPhone, granted finding an Android flagship under 6in is rare but still possible). The fact of having a longer support is not enough in itself to justify any annoyance, especially when camera advancements make it hard to keep a phone for over 4 years and still have a camera which is close to the current best in the market (if you care about the camera)

It's not just a size thing though, weight is important to me. Apple makes their phones so heavy. I have a iPhone 13 mini just to have something sensible. Android phones are typically much lighter.

My 6.3" Android is only 20g more than my 5.4" iPhone 13 mini. The android doesn't have wireless charging so it isn't a perfectly fair comparison but still iPhones are dense AF.
 
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It's not just a size thing though, weight is important to me. Apple makes their phones so heavy. I have a iPhone 13 mini just to have something sensible. Android phones are typically much lighter.

My 6.3" Android is only 20g more than my 5.4" iPhone 13 mini. The android doesn't have wireless charging so it isn't a perfectly fair comparison but still iPhones are dense AF.
I absolutely agree on this. I remember a friend had an iPhone 11 pro and it looked identical to my 5.8in Galaxy S10e with a very similar silicone case, except when I picked her phone up by mistake it weighed a ton. Sure it has much better battery life, but for someone like me that does everything on a tablet and has a very limited use of a phone, other than calls, messages, and camera, comfort is at least as important as battery life.... The iPhone 13 mini is the only comfortable one for me in terms of weight (once you factor in a case, which is mandatory for me)
 
I absolutely agree on this. I remember a friend had an iPhone 11 pro and it looked identical to my 5.8in Galaxy S10e with a very similar silicone case, except when I picked her phone up by mistake it weighed a ton. Sure it has much better battery life, but for someone like me that does everything on a tablet and has a very limited use of a phone, other than calls, messages, and camera, comfort is at least as important as battery life.... The iPhone 13 mini is the only comfortable one for me in terms of weight (once you factor in a case, which is mandatory for me)

Problem is many tech pundits and enthusiasts are anti-plastic and tend to harp on and on about premium materials. Seriously, I'd be happy with an iPhone 5c-like chassis if it meant a lighter iPhone.
 
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Problem is many tech pundits and enthusiasts are anti-plastic and tend to harp on and on about premium materials. Seriously, I'd be happy with an iPhone 5c-like chassis if it meant a lighter iPhone.
Same, I was very unhappy when, moving from the Samsung S4 to the S7, I had to buy a case, which adds bulk and weight, because it was made of glass like iPhones.... My S4 with a plastic back fell many times on the ground and never broke. I would never use a glass phone naked instead.... Premium materials... that you cover with a case anyway, mainly good for reviews...
 
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