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My own TSMC vs Samsung battery run-down test

RonFromOregon said:
You guys crack me up. No, I'm not paid by anybody to do this. I bought my first 6s, no contract Verizon model from the Apple store. I bought Verizon because I wanted to run it on AT&T and didn't want AT&T to lock it. Right after that, AT&T started allowing WiFi Calling but it failed for me because the Verizon model isn't okayed for WiFi calling yet on AT&T. That day, Apple started selling a "SIM-free" model which a) won't lock to AT&T, b) work with WiFi calling (I haven't tested that yet), and c) give me "Band 30", whatever that is. So I bought a second 6s, this time Sim-free, with plans to return the first one once I got the second one up and going.

That's when I saw this whole "chipgate" thing exploding online. I downloaded BMSSM and saw that I have one of each of the A9 models. So I thought I'd try some real-world testing to see if the controversy is true. Turns out that it's very difficult to do real-world comparisons between two phones, especially when I need to actually use one of them as a phone and I only have one active SIM card.

I'm running GeekBench Battery test now on both phones. I don't want to interrupt the testing, but when it's through I'll run BMSSM on each phone, take a picture, and post it here. I'm not sure how that will help, but I suppose it can't hurt.
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thanks.
and i'm 90% sure it will show the 2 hour difference.
 
RonFromOregon said:
You guys crack me up. No, I'm not paid by anybody to do this. I bought my first 6s, no contract Verizon model from the Apple store. I bought Verizon because I wanted to run it on AT&T and didn't want AT&T to lock it. Right after that, AT&T started allowing WiFi Calling but it failed for me because the Verizon model isn't okayed for WiFi calling yet on AT&T. That day, Apple started selling a "SIM-free" model which a) won't lock to AT&T, b) work with WiFi calling (I haven't tested that yet), and c) give me "Band 30", whatever that is. So I bought a second 6s, this time Sim-free, with plans to return the first one once I got the second one up and going.

That's when I saw this whole "chipgate" thing exploding online. I downloaded BMSSM and saw that I have one of each of the A9 models. So I thought I'd try some real-world testing to see if the controversy is true. Turns out that it's very difficult to do real-world comparisons between two phones, especially when I need to actually use one of them as a phone and I only have one active SIM card.

I'm running GeekBench Battery test now on both phones. I don't want to interrupt the testing, but when it's through I'll run BMSSM on each phone, take a picture, and post it here. I'm not sure how that will help, but I suppose it can't hurt.
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Thank you very much for this testing! Really interesting. We can see that TSMC chip is the slightly the best in term of getting a better Battery life but the difference is not as much and seems to be close to last Apple communication.
 
RonFromOregon said:
You guys crack me up. No, I'm not paid by anybody to do this. I bought my first 6s, no contract Verizon model from the Apple store. I bought Verizon because I wanted to run it on AT&T and didn't want AT&T to lock it. Right after that, AT&T started allowing WiFi Calling but it failed for me because the Verizon model isn't okayed for WiFi calling yet on AT&T. That day, Apple started selling a "SIM-free" model which a) won't lock to AT&T, b) work with WiFi calling (I haven't tested that yet), and c) give me "Band 30", whatever that is. So I bought a second 6s, this time Sim-free, with plans to return the first one once I got the second one up and going.

That's when I saw this whole "chipgate" thing exploding online. I downloaded BMSSM and saw that I have one of each of the A9 models. So I thought I'd try some real-world testing to see if the controversy is true. Turns out that it's very difficult to do real-world comparisons between two phones, especially when I need to actually use one of them as a phone and I only have one active SIM card.

I'm running GeekBench Battery test now on both phones. I don't want to interrupt the testing, but when it's through I'll run BMSSM on each phone, take a picture, and post it here. I'm not sure how that will help, but I suppose it can't hurt.
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Put a paper with your name
RonFromOregon next to the phones then take a picture:cool:
 
I can finally say I'm done with this whole chipgate fiasco. I was worried at the start, but after watching a few real world tests, I don't care at all which chip is in my future 6s Plus.
 
RonFromOregon said:
You guys crack me up. No, I'm not paid by anybody to do this. I bought my first 6s, no contract Verizon model from the Apple store. I bought Verizon because I wanted to run it on AT&T and didn't want AT&T to lock it. Right after that, AT&T started allowing WiFi Calling but it failed for me because the Verizon model isn't okayed for WiFi calling yet on AT&T. That day, Apple started selling a "SIM-free" model which a) won't lock to AT&T, b) work with WiFi calling (I haven't tested that yet), and c) give me "Band 30", whatever that is. So I bought a second 6s, this time Sim-free, with plans to return the first one once I got the second one up and going.

That's when I saw this whole "chipgate" thing exploding online. I downloaded BMSSM and saw that I have one of each of the A9 models. So I thought I'd try some real-world testing to see if the controversy is true. Turns out that it's very difficult to do real-world comparisons between two phones, especially when I need to actually use one of them as a phone and I only have one active SIM card.

I'm running GeekBench Battery test now on both phones. I don't want to interrupt the testing, but when it's through I'll run BMSSM on each phone, take a picture, and post it here. I'm not sure how that will help, but I suppose it can't hurt.
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well I appreciate someone going to all the effort to do it, so many people want answers and then they jump to crazy conspiracy theories when someone goes out of the way to do something like this, thanks btw and hopefully this whole thing is soon enough cleared up :)

j2ee said:
Put a paper with your name
RonFromOregon next to the phones then take a picture:cool:
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you can't be serious.. :p
 
petecee said:
I can finally say I'm done with this whole chipgate fiasco. I was worried at the start, but after watching a few real world tests, I don't care at all which chip is in my future 6s Plus.
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good for you if you can bare getting a phone with 2 hours less battery time.
i still feel it's pretty unfair.
 
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petecee said:
2 hours less battery time.... yeah if you decide you want to do something heavy like play need for speed from 100% fully charged to 1%. You'll NEVER lose 2 hours with normal use.
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well i can play a game, take some HD video, probably 4K, upload them, edit them,
and all the rest of the "real life" use.. believe me, that WILL end up being a 2 hour difference.
sure this won't happen every day, but if it happens 1-2 days a week, it's bad.
 
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roeiz said:
well i can play a game, take some HD video, probably 4K, upload them, edit them,
and all the rest of the "real life" use.. believe me, that WILL end up being a 2 hour difference.
sure this won't happen every day, but if it happens 1-2 days a week, it's bad.
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I get what you're saying, I guess I'm not much of a heavy user. Do you have a 6s? Are you going to take your current/future 6s back to the store for a TSMC version?
 
roeiz said:
well i can play a game, take some HD video, probably 4K, upload them, edit them,
and all the rest of the "real life" use.. believe me, that WILL end up being a 2 hour difference.
sure this won't happen every day, but if it happens 1-2 says a week, it's bad.
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would you not plug it it while doing something like editing 4K video?, it's also a good habit because it means less wear on the battery which if you are doing twice a week soon adds up I would imagine, I'm pretty certain editing 4K will kill either battery fairly quickly as it will also use the GPU to render which in my experience uses quite a bit more battery then the CPU

complete guesstimate here but if you played a graphically demanding game for the whole time then the GPU would use several times the battery the CPU does, meaning the real world difference between the two CPU's would be much less then you experience in a CPU focused benchmark as you would have the GPU draining the battery faster then the CPU if that makes sense?, though my last iPhone was the 4s but playing a game on that would kill the battery in no time while doing something more CPU intensive like browsing the web would give me several times the battery life.

that combined with the fact that so much is handled by dedicated hardware in these phones I would think very few tasks use nothing but the CPU these days :)
 
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CraigGB said:
would you not plug it it while doing something like editing 4K video?, it's also a good habit because it means less wear on the battery which if you are doing twice a week soon adds up I would imagine, I'm pretty certain editing 4K will kill either battery fairly quickly as it will also use the GPU to render which in my experience uses quite a bit more battery then the CPU

complete guesstimate here but if you played a graphically demanding game for the whole time then the GPU would use several times the battery the CPU does, meaning the real world difference between the two CPU's would be much less then you experience in a CPU focused benchmark as you would have the GPU draining the battery faster then the CPU if that makes sense?, though my last iPhone was the 4s but playing a game on that would kill the battery in no time while doing something more CPU intensive like browsing the web would give me several times the battery life.

that combined with the fact that so much is handled by dedicated hardware in these phones I would think very few tasks use nothing but the CPU these days :)
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logical and sensible thinking. thanks.
 
petecee said:
I get what you're saying, I guess I'm not much of a heavy user. Do you have a 6s? Are you going to take your current/future 6s back to the store for a TSMC version?
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my problem is that i live in Israel, where all this Apple Care and quick on demand replacement is not really available and understandable. they'll give me hard time on that chip issue.
i WILL buy the 6S plus in the next few days, that's why i'm a bit concerned.
if i'll get a Samsung chip my best bet will be to shut up and enjoy the phone...
so i'm working on that as we speak ;)
 
roeiz said:
logical and sensible thinking. thanks.
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I'm only basing that on RonFromOregon's testing so far, every test he has tried has had a much smaller battery difference then the geekbench benchmarks suggest and that does back Apple's statement, also now they have released a statement then surely they could be held responsible much more then if they didn't and I'm sure they wouldn't say that then just assume no one would test their claims :p.

of course if it does turn out there is a difference then I do hope Apple makes it easier for someone who might want an exchange, produce a couple of batches with the TSMC chips and keep them to the side for people who do want an exchange rather then people having to just exchange until they get one :p

also:
another theory I'm pondering is to my knowledge the hotter a chip is the less battery efficient it is and the more power is wasted, these benchmarks are running the CPU's hard for several hours when in real life usage this would be much more unlikely, I wonder if the Samsung chip might become less efficient when it is running hot. that would explain a smaller difference in real world use as it wouldn't be running as hot or for as long and might be about as efficient as the TSMC chip in real world use when it isn't running as hot, any opinions?
 
roeiz said:
my problem is that i live in Israel, where all this Apple Care and quick on demand replacement is not really available and understandable. they'll give me hard time on that chip issue.
i WILL buy the 6S plus in the next few days, that's why i'm a bit concerned.
if i'll get a Samsung chip my best bet will be to shut up and enjoy the phone...
so i'm working on that as we speak ;)
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sorry to hear that, obviously its pretty bad if you spend all that money and feel cheated :(, if it helps at all the Samsung chip is still as good as the 6+ and as good Apple advertised, the 6+ from what I know had a great battery life, people said it was hard to kill it in a day so even if it isn't as good as the TSMC you will still have a phone with a battery life that people last year said was amazing :)
 
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CraigGB said:
sorry to hear that, obviously its pretty bad if you spend all that money and feel cheated :(, if it helps at all the Samsung chip is still as good as the 6+ and as good Apple advertised, the 6+ from what I know had a great battery life, people said it was hard to kill it in a day so even if it isn't as good as the TSMC you will still have a phone with a battery life that people last year said was amazing :)
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yea, that's what i'm trying to rely on.
thanks.
 
RonFromOregon said:
You guys crack me up. No, I'm not paid by anybody to do this. I bought my first 6s, no contract Verizon model from the Apple store. I bought Verizon because I wanted to run it on AT&T and didn't want AT&T to lock it. Right after that, AT&T started allowing WiFi Calling but it failed for me because the Verizon model isn't okayed for WiFi calling yet on AT&T. That day, Apple started selling a "SIM-free" model which a) won't lock to AT&T, b) work with WiFi calling (I haven't tested that yet), and c) give me "Band 30", whatever that is. So I bought a second 6s, this time Sim-free, with plans to return the first one once I got the second one up and going.

That's when I saw this whole "chipgate" thing exploding online. I downloaded BMSSM and saw that I have one of each of the A9 models. So I thought I'd try some real-world testing to see if the controversy is true. Turns out that it's very difficult to do real-world comparisons between two phones, especially when I need to actually use one of them as a phone and I only have one active SIM card.

I'm running GeekBench Battery test now on both phones. I don't want to interrupt the testing, but when it's through I'll run BMSSM on each phone, take a picture, and post it here. I'm not sure how that will help, but I suppose it can't hurt.
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RonFromOregon said:
You guys crack me up. No, I'm not paid by anybody to do this. I bought my first 6s, no contract Verizon model from the Apple store. I bought Verizon because I wanted to run it on AT&T and didn't want AT&T to lock it. Right after that, AT&T started allowing WiFi Calling but it failed for me because the Verizon model isn't okayed for WiFi calling yet on AT&T. That day, Apple started selling a "SIM-free" model which a) won't lock to AT&T, b) work with WiFi calling (I haven't tested that yet), and c) give me "Band 30", whatever that is. So I bought a second 6s, this time Sim-free, with plans to return the first one once I got the second one up and going.

That's when I saw this whole "chipgate" thing exploding online. I downloaded BMSSM and saw that I have one of each of the A9 models. So I thought I'd try some real-world testing to see if the controversy is true. Turns out that it's very difficult to do real-world comparisons between two phones, especially when I need to actually use one of them as a phone and I only have one active SIM card.

I'm running GeekBench Battery test now on both phones. I don't want to interrupt the testing, but when it's through I'll run BMSSM on each phone, take a picture, and post it here. I'm not sure how that will help, but I suppose it can't hurt.
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Were all App.s the same on both phones and were turned on?
 
j2ee said:
He never went to jail, so. . .the book is a no prove story book
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Nobody could prove it because samsung is the government in S. Korea, but one thing is proved; His son is now controlling samsung electronics without paying any taxes. Isn't it enough?

They shredded books, fabricated evidence and bribed politicians, bureaucrats, prosecutors, judges and journalists, mainly to ensure that they would not stand in the way of Mr. Lee’s illegal transfer of corporate control to his only son, Lee Jae-yong, 41.
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realeric said:
Samsung could do it because they were corrupted enough: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/26/technology/26samsung.html That's the reason I don't want to use any samsung products. I'm glad I got a TSMC chip. I just don't want to feed the troll.
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Here's a bigger reason to wish for the TSMC chip:
FFR said:
"Trade secrets stolen from TSMC helped Samsung win Apple’s A9 chip business, rules Taiwanese court | 9to5Mac"

http://9to5mac.com/2015/08/26/tsmc-samsung-chips-apple/
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I'm getting my 6s+ replaced under warranty for a stuck pixel in the camera, definitely hoping for another TSMC.
 
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Okay, here are two (crappy) pictures. One shows that I have two iPhone 6s models, one Samsung and the other TSMC. The other picture shows the results of the GeekBench 3 Battery Benchmark I ran on each phone. The benchmark results are consistent with what others are seeing - but again, I don't believe the benchmark is at all real-world. Based on my own more real-world test, I'm seeing differences more in line with 2%-4% overall.
 

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RonFromOregon said:
Okay, here are two (crappy) pictures. One shows that I have two iPhone 6s models, one Samsung and the other TSMC. The other picture shows the results of the GeekBench 3 Battery Benchmark I ran on each phone. The benchmark results are consistent with what others are seeing - but again, I don't believe the benchmark is at all real-world. Based on my own more real-world test, I'm seeing differences more in line with 2%-4% overall.
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My Samsung 6s+ only has 9 more minutes Runtime than your TSMC 6s...

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RonFromOregon said:
Okay, here are two (crappy) pictures. One shows that I have two iPhone 6s models, one Samsung and the other TSMC. The other picture shows the results of the GeekBench 3 Battery Benchmark I ran on each phone. The benchmark results are consistent with what others are seeing - but again, I don't believe the benchmark is at all real-world. Based on my own more real-world test, I'm seeing differences more in line with 2%-4% overall.
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Thanks RonFromOregon,

WOW, Like I expected. This can't be more clear with your two photo. It even shows more significant!
344 min vs 227 min. Delta is 51%.

APPLE, this test with clear picture focusing on the two different chip is 51% efficiency with Geekbench test.

That's Huge.

On the desktop, Mac Pro and Mac mini will do the same job as browsing, or office stuffs. I believe the variance that people using these two macs to finish daily regular job is 1-3%. But why people pays 6X difference in price to purchase different Macs?

Here with 51% delta between the two chips. Buyers pay the same $1000 for the 6S. I don't know why people with SAMSUNG 6S can still feel very happy with it?
 
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