ok, i admit "hater" is to grab some attention, altho somebody might call me hater, i don't reject a good product. I hot my 8G this morning from Bestbuy, their sales told me they just got in last night, 5 of them. I will mainly use it as a PDA, so my assessment is focused on those non-PMP functions 1. screen. it is dark, I played same video on my MB, palm T|X, and iPod Touch, Touch's color is darker than the other two (not brightness related) 2. wi-fi battery life, I started browsing internet around 12:20P, at 3:10P, it reported 20% battery left. So my estimation of Touch's wi-fi battery life is about 3.5 hrs. which is better than my Palm T|X's 2hrs. 3. MobileSafari, its indeed a very good mobile browser, however, I can't put it on the top when compare to the one I have (Blazer and opera mini 4 beta on my palm), the reasons are: 3.a. It is slow, the speed of mobile safari is like 1/2 or 1/3 of desktop browsers. altho OM4 and blazer isn't faster neither, but still kinda disappointing since I expect this to be almost as good as desktopSafari.. 3.b. the fit to width function, in mobileSafari, if you increase the font to certain size, the web content will be out of the screen, I know this is to mimic the desktop browser. but the truth is, operamini 4's full page zoom, altho gives you no control of size of font. will wrap the web content to fit the width of the screen. which saves you from scrolling page left and right. 3.c forward/backward is slow compare to opera mini 4. I thought it just read page from cache? 4. The device is running pretty warm after 1.5 hours. Much hotter than Palm T|X 5. It is indeed have very limited functions, Im sure I will invest some time for the hacks.