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Because they can't do what Apple does. They wish they could, though.

(the Pearl still has the BB "killer app" - push and full email support. It still runs the BB OS, as well. Why am I replaying to you?!?!)

And they continue to produce these cheap phones them because they already were producing them before the smart phone market came into fruition. The point is that "new" phone manufacturers are moving forward not backward, and so they're building less expensive and less complicated (although not necessarily less complex) smart phones, i.e. the Apple iPhone, the BlackBerry Pearl, etc.
 
Last year, there was also no mention of the 16 GB version, then on February if my memory serves me right it quietly appeared. They don't really need an event for a capacity bump.

Yes I believe it was a day or two before valentines day that I received the email of the capacity bump.

And I agree, they don't really need an event. Isn't that the reason they are not going to be at macworld anymore, to release new products at anytime?
 
It's funny how many people are like "Enough about the iPhone!!! Where are the new computers???" Then Apple does a keynote with just software and computers and people are like "Where's the iPhone news???" No new iPhones? I believe iPhones come in the summer.

lol thats true, but thats how humans act no? :D
 
I'm laughing at the iPhone nano proponents' plight, and I approve this message. :D
Heck yeah! About time too.

DX,

You're wrong. Your logic doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Valid arguments are being presented, and you choose not to consider them.
:rolleyes:

He didn't in the days before MWSF, I doubt he will now. And he's still riding his high horse.

:rolleyes:
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I've certainly had my disagreements with some of the members on this forum, but as I recall none of them has ever threatened violence... good on ya for breaking that nasty cycle! :rolleyes:
Due to your attitude. Cause and effect. If you were nicer, he wouldn't threaten you like that.

I'm sure you'll attack my post, that just proves my point.
 
The market for traditional cell phones features low-margin products that can only compete on price.

The smart phone market is about high-margin products that compete on software and features.

And you think Apple would be interested in that first market...why? There's also a huge market for fast-food hamburgers. Do you think Apple is going to start selling them?

Apple likes money. Therefore, Apple is at least researching ways to get more people to buy an Apple phone. If the data plan wasn't required by AT&T and the phone was still $200, the solution might be there. But most people have a phone that came for free or maybe $30 with a 2-year contract. Don't let product placement on TV fool you about that.
 
Apple likes money. Therefore, Apple is at least researching ways to get more people to buy an Apple phone. If the data plan wasn't required by AT&T and the phone was still $200, the solution might be there. But most people have a phone that came for free or maybe $30 with a 2-year contract. Don't let product placement on TV fool you about that.

No data plan and $200 is an iPod Touch or an iPod Nano.

Furthermore -
How is spending money on customers who don't want to spend money, going to make money?
 
:rolleyes: Yeah, you've certainly demonstrated your "nicer guy" attribute by expressing a desire to do physical harm to someone. More to the point, if you're first reaction is physical violence when someone posts a comment about a potential electronic device that you disagree with, I'd wager you're not a "nice guy" at all.

I've certainly had my disagreements with some of the members on this forum, but as I recall none of them has ever threatened violence... good on ya for breaking that nasty cycle! :rolleyes:

Wow.... Let me get my bearings here.

Forget what I said earlier. We should rename it to righteousnanorumors.com

Sorry if I frightened or offended you with my talk of imaginary play violence. :rolleyes:
 
And LOL @ Demosthenes X, I think anything less than Steve Jobs yelling from a mountain "THERE IS NO NANO iPHONE" wouldn't be enough to sway you. And for the record I certainly believe there will be Mac updates, as that aspect of the brand is long overdue for an update.

Does that mean you might actually buy a mac instead of a dell, or are you just the Apple gadget guy that has something "valuable" to say.
 
No data plan and $200 is an iPod Touch or an iPod Nano.

Furthermore -
How is spending money on customers who don't want to spend money, going to make money?

No data plan and $200 is an iPod touch that makes phone calls. It's an iPod touch+phone. That's a major feature separating the two.

As far as the whole money thing, you would theoretically get new phone customers who would be potential App Store customers. That's how Apple makes extra money. Carriers wouldn't, but I'm not concerned about them when they charge 20 cents per text message.
 
A Touch is a phone-less iPhone. A Touch with a phone in it is an iPhone ......

Just say you wish at&t didn't force a data plan on you and be done with it. Let this Nano nonsense go.
 
Of course more phone models are coming. And of course value-minded additions to the line up will happen.

But it's not going to be a candy bar phone. It's won't be a phone with a click wheel. And it very very (very!) likely won't be called "something nano".
We may see an "iPhone Air"…that may even be part of the future of the iPhone. But I doubt an "iPhone nano," especially with the display/finger size problem.

The iPhone in your hand right now, will be the $99 phone of next year (2010). And the $0 phone of the year after that. It will eventually be blister-packed and sold without a plan. Probably even pay-as-you-go given enough time.
The iPhone's base price has already dropped considerably ($499 to $199). It's not unreasonable to think that it'll go down even further. But then again, Apple might have wanted to get the price at $199 and have it stay there. Flash capacity also plays a big part in price too.

Better iPhones are going to keep coming. With interesting, new features. This is how Apple is going to increase their market share, and keep the $$$ rolling in.
With all this talk of a larger-than-iPod touch mini-tablet, I think it's fairly likely that there will be a version with cell phone or at least 3G support. Also, with other devices having better cameras and higher-dpi displays, Apple could have two similarly-sized iPhones (and iPod touches), one with 480x320 and 2 MP camera and the other one with 720x480 and 5 MP camera.
 
With all this talk of a larger-than-iPod touch mini-tablet, I think it's fairly likely that there will be a version with cell phone or at least 3G support. Also, with other devices having better cameras and higher-dpi displays, Apple could have two similarly-sized iPhones (and iPod touches), one with 480x320 and 2 MP camera and the other one with 720x480 and 5 MP camera.

You, my friend, are a wise one.

People complain about the capacity, camera quality and capability of the iPhone with one breath, then predict some super small nano phone with the other. :rolleyes:
 
There's always this summer.

iPhone Nano - Summer '09

new 3G iPhone - eh, probably won't see a new one. :( Just a capacity bump.
 
Mac sure did sh*t on this guys parade.. he wanted one so bad..
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My guess, is that we will never see an iPhone Nano.

There will only be one model of the iPhone at a time for the foreseeable future. Granted there will be various versions of the model with different memory capacities. But that is about it.

Someday we may see a smaller iPhone model when Apple releases the 3.5G model.

Apple will not jeopardize their app store. iPhone and iPod touch sales are what is keeping that going.
 
Does that mean you might actually buy a mac instead of a dell, or are you just the Apple gadget guy that has something "valuable" to say.

No I wouldn't buy a Mac desktop because most of what I do requires software that isn't easily available on a Mac. I would however use a Mac notebook because I have found Leopard to be a far more productive OS than Vista, which is great on a mobile platform. Here is a question though, what does my hardware preference have to do with this thread? Or are you just trying to be a tough guy via the internet?
 
No I wouldn't buy a Mac desktop because most of what I do requires software that isn't easily available on a Mac. I would however use a Mac notebook because I have found Leopard to be a far more productive OS than Vista, which is great on a mobile platform. Here is a question though, what does my hardware preference have to do with this thread? Or are you just trying to be a tough guy via the internet?

everyone thinks they're a tough guy on the internet. :rolleyes:
 
Ok I'm jumping in,
I haven't read all the posts (sorry), but I really did not feel like spending the rest of my life looking at all these arguments. I read most of the first page and felt I could hop in so.. hang in there with me.

From my standpoint (An average teenager) these are my beliefs on why an iPhone Nano may or may not be released as a product in the distant future. I tried quoting somebody but couldn't find the post where they said it. Somebody stated "Until iPhone sales are down, and a need for an iPhone Nano comes about, that's when a Nano may be released." I agree, the market for an iPhone 3G from what I've heard (off macrumors) is still hot. I do understand that there is a line that apple could start manufacturing, which is obviously the iPhone Nano. I also agree that the Nano would raise revenue for apple. But it is still not needed. Something that I believe is needed before they start developing ideas for an iPhone nano, is a good software update. The update could include long awaited things such as MMS, Copy+Paste, Landscape texting, offline file viewing, etc. It's these things that Apple needs to do for the current iPhone. I believe once apple is able to do that their market go up because business men alike will have the ability to be productive almost as much as a blackberry, and they'll also be able to look at a new product line directed toward a different crowd of people.

This is where the Nano can come in. Once the iPhone's ability to be fully productive becomes a reality, Apple can explore into a different crowd of people in a similar market as the iPhone. They can point it to Teenagers, people who need a lessened price per plan, or just those who simply don't need all the extras that the iPhone currently has. If I was guessing, if an iPhone Nano were to be released I don't think data would be a required part of the plan as well as the agreement. I mean for all we know, an iPhone nano could be touchscreen Frisbee with a phone. There's no confirmation on what it could do. Until then, there will be no point in arguing about an iPhone Nano until valid reasons lead us to believe there will be one.

And for whoever said Apple won't make a "lower-end" phone because apple only makes "top-end" products is a load of crap. There's the ipod shuffle, the mac mini, and the ipod nano. I'm not trying to start an argument but the statement "Oh Apple doesn't make low-end products." is just stupid.

That's my thoughts. If you read all of this... thanks haha.
 
Robby seems like a level-headed poster.

I betcha (channeling Sarah Palin) Apple's priority right now is stuff like push notifications. But they have different departments working on different stuff. I doubt the R&D for a firmware upgrade is totally the same as a new hardware unit. While you're still talking about company resources, it's not a total overlap.

I also agree there's not really any real proof of one being developed, but the case listings were rumor-worthy. I just like to pick on the people who think it's the dumbest idea ever conceived because THEY wouldn't use it. I would never use a MacBook Air and don't think it was a smart product to make. But that doesn't mean I think it's totally worthless. Apparently others like it, but I just like those silly DVDs and value money over thinness and weight.

I can guarantee a huge market exists for a smaller/cheaper iPhone. Apple first made what is now the iPod classic, and then later came the iPhone mini, nano, shuffle and touch. Only one of those is a more premium product than the iPod classic. The iPod shuffle and mini took features off or shrank in size to lower cost and get more people to buy iPods, which allowed Apple to entice more people to buy from iTunes. The theory for an iPhone nano is the same, just substitute "buy from App Store" for "buy from iTunes." Apple makes 30 cents for every person that wants a 99-cent fart machine. Hello gold mine.
 
EDIT: WARNING... this reads like an essay. So if you don't like essays, don't bother reading it. Thanks!

I understand what both of you are saying (you and the poster above you), especially in terms of citing the iPod nano as the basis for the argument for an iPhone nano. The problem I have with that comparison is basically the same general reason why I don't think Apple will wade into the saturated basic phone market. The problem is that the iPod came into existence within a market that wasn't satisfied, and so Apple had free reign to explore each facet of the music player market. However, the same cannot be said of the cellular market, as I will endeavor to explain.

When Apple released the iPod it was on the cutting edge of technology and consumer trend. As such, Apple had little viable competition, and it quickly distinguished rivals like Walkman (i.e. disc players), and then other form factors like mini disc players. Basically, the market was open for Apple to create whatever consumer trends demanded. In that particular period, Apple was able to capitalize on a range of consumer demands in a market virtually free of real competition. And so the iPod, and the various form factors it manifested as, took almost total control of the market. Now Apple was the first to do this, and so they set the trends, including ultra portable, and ultra-high storage.

The problem with comparing the iPod to the iPhone is that the iPhone came into fruition in an entirely different market environment. To my mind the iPhone walks a tight-rope of a saturated and an unsaturated market. The former market would be the general "cellular" phone market, where there are numerous brands of phones that generally fit (or did fit) consumer trends. The phones range from hyper portable and simplified to what I would consider to be on the verge of smartphone, where they might have two components like a music player and regular phone capabilities. In this sense, then, Apple is entering a market that is saturated, that is well defined, and whose needs are met by a variety of cellular clients, including LG, Samsung, Motorola, and so forth.

However, Apple also entered a niche market (albeit a rapidly expanding one). This market I would call the "smartphone" market. Although there are some players in this market, the consumer trend hasn't wholly been fed yet (or hadn't prior to the release of the iPhone). While these convergence devices offered the potential for multiple avenues of productivity or pleasure (email, music, cellular), they were all packaged in a way that detracted many people, and thus largely lacked widespread consumer attraction. However, the iPhone to my mind modernized the convergence device by packaging capability in a way that was appealing to the consumer. As such, Apple has, in a way, set the trend for smartphones. This is evident by the fact that many of the latest smartphones attempt to emulate some or all of the traits that granted the iPhone widespread appeal.

Now, considering this, we recognize that Apple has succeeded in the niche market, perhaps mostly because that market hadn't really been tapped. It's pretty obvious by current sales and by subsequent design and astethic trends among competitors or would be competitors that the iPhone has set the trend in the smartphone niche market. So in a way, the iPhone is exactly like the iPod, in that it entered and captured a market that was largely unsatisfied. However, the same cannot really be said for the wider cellular market because that market has already been satisfied by numerous cellular devices.

That is not to say that Apple could not enter the wider cellular market, but it does suggest that to compare the iPhone to the iPod (in terms of having a simplified version for wider appeal) is not fair. It is not a valid comparison because unlike the iPod which came to fruition in a market largely without real competition, the consumer appetite for "cellular" phones (simple phones) has already been fed by a variety of clients. The fact that the market is saturated (or that there are so many devices that all successfully accomplish the task of "cellular" phone) that it makes little practical sense for Apple to try to enter a market where it has nothing to offer in terms of satisfying a market where satisfaction was lacking. Unlike the iPod, the cellular market (in terms of simple phones) is rigidly carved out, and consumers are satisfied. In that sense, the likelihood that Apple can sweep the market and snatch away a worthwhile amount of people from the market seems unlikely to me. Moreover, it means that Apple likely doesn't have the inherent ability (by way of an unsatisfied market) to set a new trend and design a device that has such great appeal as to upset the current balance held by other manufactures.

Considering this, while the iPod might seem like a valid reason why Apple should make a simplified phone just as it made a simplified (or rather smaller) iPod, the comparison is flawed because it doesn't consider the market characteristics under which each device was created. By Apple's success, in many ways the iPhone has revolutionized the niche "smartphone" market quite like the iPod revolutionized the music player market. However, the basic cellular market, at least to my mind, does not require, by its very nature, any revolution, as arguably the cellphone cannot be further simplified than it already is. As such, there isn't the demand by the market for a device that will satisfy its needs. In essence, there is no point for Apple to do what has already been done.

That doesn't at all suggest that Apple couldn't make a simple phone, however the basic point I'm trying to make is that there is little practical sense in Apple doing something that is already done (and arguably done very well) by a variety of other manufacturers. As such, while it's not impossible, it is certainly more than a little impractical for Apple to try to enter a market that is already satisfied to such a degree as the cellular (simple phone) market.
 
Who is Mac?
The truck driver down the street? :p

The iPhone and iPod touch spur app store sales. Apple will not change this for the foreseeable future. In other words, Apple will not create an iPhone that will not support apps available from the app store. Won't happen.

What will happen, is Apple will continue to improve the iPhone with better longer lasting batteries and other features while keeping the form factor as small as possible.
 
I understand what both of you are saying (you and the poster above you), especially in terms of citing the iPod nano as the basis for the argument for an iPhone nano. The problem I have with that comparison is basically the same general reason why I don't think Apple will wade into the saturated basic phone market. The problem is that the iPod came into existence within a market that wasn't satisfied, and so Apple had free reign to explore each facet of the music player market. However, the same cannot be said of the cellular market, as I will endeavor to explain.

When Apple released the iPod it was on the cutting edge of technology and consumer trend. As such, Apple had little viable competition, and it quickly distinguished rivals like Walkman (i.e. disc players), and then other form factors like mini disc players. Basically, the market was open for Apple to create whatever consumer trends demanded. In that particular period, Apple was able to capitalize on a range of consumer demands in a market virtually free of real competition. And so the iPod, and the various form factors it manifested as, took almost total control of the market. Now Apple was the first to do this, and so they set the trends, including ultra portable, and ultra-high storage.

The problem with comparing the iPod to the iPhone is that the iPhone came into fruition in an entirely different market environment. To my mind the iPhone walks a tight-rope of a saturated and an unsaturated market. The former market would be the general "cellular" phone market, where there are numerous brands of phones that generally fit (or did fit) consumer trends. The phones range from hyper portable and simplified to what I would consider to be on the verge of smartphone, where they might have two components like a music player and regular phone capabilities. In this sense, then, Apple is entering a market that is saturated, that is well defined, and whose needs are met by a variety of cellular clients, including LG, Samsung, Motorola, and so forth.

However, Apple also entered a niche market (albeit a rapidly expanding one). This market I would call the "smartphone" market. Although there are some players in this market, the consumer trend hasn't wholly been fed yet (or hadn't prior to the release of the iPhone). While these convergence devices offered the potential for multiple avenues of productivity or pleasure (email, music, cellular), they were all packaged in a way that detracted many people, and thus largely lacked widespread consumer attraction. However, the iPhone to my mind modernized the convergence device by packaging capability in a way that was appealing to the consumer. As such, Apple has, in a way, set the trend for smartphones. This is evident by the fact that many of the latest smartphones attempt to emulate some or all of the traits that granted the iPhone widespread appeal.

Now, considering this, we recognize that Apple has succeeded in the niche market, perhaps mostly because that market hadn't really been tapped. It's pretty obvious by current sales and by subsequent design and astethic trends among competitors or would be competitors that the iPhone has set the trend in the smartphone niche market. So in a way, the iPhone is exactly like the iPod, in that it entered and captured a market that was largely unsatisfied. However, the same cannot really be said for the wider cellular market because that market has already been satisfied by numerous cellular devices.

That is not to say that Apple could not enter the wider cellular market, but it does suggest that to compare the iPhone to the iPod (in terms of having a simplified version for wider appeal) is not fair. It is not a valid comparison because unlike the iPod which came to fruition in a market largely without real competition, the consumer appetite for "cellular" phones (simple phones) has already been fed by a variety of clients. The fact that the market is saturated (or that there are so many devices that all successfully accomplish the task of "cellular" phone) that it makes little practical sense for Apple to try to enter a market where it has nothing to offer in terms of satisfying a market where satisfaction was lacking. Unlike the iPod, the cellular market (in terms of simple phones) is rigidly carved out, and consumers are satisfied. In that sense, the likelihood that Apple can sweep the market and snatch away a worthwhile amount of people from the market seems unlikely to me. Moreover, it means that Apple likely doesn't have the inherent ability (by way of an unsatisfied market) to set a new trend and design a device that has such great appeal as to upset the current balance held by other manufactures.

Considering this, while the iPod might seem like a valid reason why Apple should make a simplified phone just as it made a simplified (or rather smaller) iPod, the comparison is flawed because it doesn't consider the market characteristics under which each device was created. By Apple's success, in many ways the iPhone has revolutionized the niche "smartphone" market quite like the iPod revolutionized the music player market. However, the basic cellular market, at least to my mind, does not require, by its very nature, any revolution, as arguably the cellphone cannot be further simplified than it already is. As such, there isn't the demand by the market for a device that will satisfy its needs. In essence, there is no point for Apple to do what has already been done.

That doesn't at all suggest that Apple couldn't make a simple phone, however the basic point I'm trying to make is that there is little practical sense in Apple doing something that is already done (and arguably done very well) by a variety of other manufacturers. As such, while it's not impossible, it is certainly more than a little impractical for Apple to try to enter a market that is already satisfied to such a degree as the cellular (simple phone) market.

Good stuff man - I respect people who put time and thought into things.
 
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I just had to comment, that I love your thread title OP!
I never thought there to be an iPhone Nano. I mean, I just can't picture anything smaller than the current iPhone.
Who knows in the future though!
 
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