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Do you all really LOVE the Apple company? I own a mac,but i dont love apple. The computer market is so screwed up, a company like Apple is getting too much hype for doing something that it should do, which is to make great computer products. Isn't this their jobs?

Originally posted by SBG88
Actually, I agree with you. I don't see how these services will be able to stay alive in the long run. I also agree that Mac users are more eager or apt to buy their music from Apple just because they love them and want to see them succeed.
On the other hand, as a former Win user, I did not give a crap about the computer or OS and they could go to hell for all I cared.

I think much differently now.
 
Originally posted by 1adonis1
Do you all really LOVE the Apple company? I own a mac,but i dont love apple. The computer market is so screwed up, a company like Apple is getting too much hype for doing something that it should do, which is to make great computer products. Isn't this their jobs?


Everyones job is the offer something great - few succeed - and therefor deservedly get hyped, since they are the best at it (but best is not nessecarily perfect).
 
iTMS

As far as being the best, that depends on who you ask. Is there any type of information on which music format is the most used. I think that will tell whether people will go WMV or ACC.
 
Originally posted by 1adonis1
Do you all really LOVE the Apple company? I own a mac,but i dont love apple. The computer market is so screwed up, a company like Apple is getting too much hype for doing something that it should do, which is to make great computer products. Isn't this their jobs?


I agree, I actually HATE apple, and don't like jobs. I like the computer. I like the product, hate the company. I hate the apple store, and can't believe the crap apple is pulling with the dual g5's. I'm done ordering anything from the apple store, as i've ordered a few things, and i see them, they don't say pre-order, so I just buy it without paying attentions. Of the stupid new speakers for the ipod, my g5, and applecare...I recieved the apple care. Is that all they keep in stock or what? even the speakers which were released two days ago have an est. ship date of 10/16/2003 what a load of crap, i doubt at $150 everyone went out and purchased the "should be tons" they should have in stock.

As for the g5's I think it's ridiculous seeing the ones people ordered in august getting there before the people that ordered them in june. and the ship dates being pushed back THE DAY that they were supposed to ship. And we're not talking pushed back 2 or 3 days, we're talking pushed back weeks. If anything is being pushed back weeks, they know before the day it's supposed to go out the door, but they wait till the last second. AFTER PAYING usually 4,000+?!?

I give jobs credit for bringing apple back from the dead, not his business practices or anything like that. It almost seems like he's trying to bury apple again. I mean an undertested new o.s. version (10.2.8)? a4 month wait from the release of the g5? not too impressive upgrades to the powerbooks? i mean what is he doing?

Well, just wanted to vent because I hate Jobs.
 
Mac consumers Don't love Apple?

If that was the case you would be using Windows XP right now. C'mon, who do you think kept Apple alive?... "Mac fanatics" or "Mac is cool but I hate Apple fanatics".
 
Re: Mac consumers Don't love Apple?

I thought it was Bill Gates that kept apple alive ;)
Originally posted by SBG88
If that was the case you would be using Windows XP right now. C'mon, who do you think kept Apple alive?... "Mac fanatics" or "Mac is cool but I hate Apple fanatics".
 
Re: Re: Mac consumers Don't love Apple?

Originally posted by 1adonis1
I thought it was Bill Gates that kept apple alive ;)

I wonder how many Mac's he has at home?
 
Originally posted by macnews
Just once I would like to see Apple get in first, with a ton of market share on the PC side and THEN see the competition jump in. Competition is good and all, but just once would be nice. I know Apple leads in the mp3 player market, just would like to see the software lead as well.

Apple has several times. First one was called the Apple //! Then IBM, along with MS, joined the party.

Later on the first consumer GUI was introduced by Apple. Becoming the Mac platform. Then MS made in roads there.

Then Apple had the Newton. You know. The first true PDA.

In all three cases Apple owned the market. But since they don't like to share their technology via distribution deals, they always loose market share. I expect the same will happen with the
Music store and MP3 player business.

There is one bright possibility. The loses won't be as bad in markets that are not Mac centric. That is why Apple needs iTMS for Windows. Lets hope, since Apple does this stuff very well.
 
Originally posted by SiliconAddict
And yet how many people don't need or care for more then a 10GB hard drive. ;)

Funny you should mention that. I bought a refurbished 10 gig iPod recently and was showing it to some windows people today. Their comment? Not, wow, that's really cool, or wow, that looks great, or great features, or that sounds good..

it was like yeah, but who needs 10 gigs worth of mp3s?

farking stoopid people.

Just say it's cool! God, why can't you just admint that apple made something cool?
 
Originally posted by Dippo
I am not saying that competition is a bad thing, but it would have been nice if Apple had cornered the market first, instead of having to play catch up.

As we all know Apple will have the best product but that doesn't mean it will be the most widely used (ex: M$ windoze)

If apple wanted to corner the marketshare for on-line music services, then they should sell iPods for dirt cheap, and ensure they are insanely effortless to use on the PC. You give the user a kickass MP3 player for cheap, and combine that with a superior music store where you pay as you go, and you're gonna win. They should offer a 5 gig iPod for like $50 or something insane like that, and maybe give users a $20 credit for music on the iTMS. That would get people there in waves. Couple that with a nationwide advertising campaign and you win.

$50 iPod. Free 20 songs download. Welcome to iTMS. With Apple's superior look and feel, Once people got on board, they wouldn't wanna touch anything else.
 
Originally posted by xStep
Apple has several times. First one was called the Apple //! Then IBM, along with MS, joined the party.

I'd have said the Altair beat it and Commodore's PET was shown before the Apple II if actually not shipping till a few months afterwards. The IBM PC wasn't released till 1980 so it's not like Apple didn't have a head start.

Later on the first consumer GUI was introduced by Apple. Becoming the Mac platform. Then MS made in roads there.

Well, I guess not too many people had Xerox Stars. ;-)


Then Apple had the Newton. You know. The first true PDA.

Before that we called them 'Organizers' eg. the Psion Organizer from 1984.

In all three cases Apple owned the market. But since they don't like to share their technology via distribution deals, they always loose market share. I expect the same will happen with the
Music store and MP3 player business.


Well, that's not the case in Europe where Apple chose not to market any of it's products terribly well and it was soundly beat by Sinclair/Commodore/Acorn, Windows (eventually) and Psion. Sadly, one of those still remains a viable business to day. :-(

There is one bright possibility. The loses won't be as bad in markets that are not Mac centric. That is why Apple needs iTMS for Windows. Lets hope, since Apple does this stuff very well.

I don't think it needs either to be honest. It has no competition on the Mac platform so far as the competition are all using Windows Media DRM. It seems to be doing just fine just selling to the Mac market. The Windows market is a bonus and if the iPod supported WMA then they'd quite possibly sell even more iPods and that's largely the purpose of iTMS - to sell hardware - but I still question Apple's commitment to Europe as European Mac users are getting a raw deal out of the iApps.

Still, I want iTunes on my PC as there's no decent player on the PC.
 
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