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Napster at 5 Milion Songs
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If you want to get even more complicated... calculate the iPod when it is vertical, horizontal, and all ways in between... It obviously won't be falling in the same position all the way down.
Then, you can calculate the air resistance and force caused by wind.
Finally, you can take temperature into account, and the atmospheric conditions (to be as precise as possible).
Or not.
Re: 50 Million? Try 100 Million!
Well, careful here. I think the Apple goal has been revised a couple of times and the 100 million number was thrown out as a "let's go for it" thing.
I think originally, they were expecting something like 1 million in the first year...but they hit the number so fast, they revised to 10 million for the some period, then they hit THAT faster than they expected, then I think he said something like "Well, let's go for 100 million in the first year!" So not exactly a promise...
Well, careful here. I think the Apple goal has been revised a couple of times and the 100 million number was thrown out as a "let's go for it" thing.
I think originally, they were expecting something like 1 million in the first year...but they hit the number so fast, they revised to 10 million for the some period, then they hit THAT faster than they expected, then I think he said something like "Well, let's go for 100 million in the first year!" So not exactly a promise...
As for Apple's goals, they originally hoped to sell 1 million in the first month. That happened in 7 days, so Steve set a deadline to sell 10 million songs. That got blown away too.
I think that the final 100 million song goal was set for one reason: to bait the crowd for the Pepsi give-away.
Undoubtedly, there will be the dumb-asses that take the 100 million completely out of context, and make Apple having sold 10 fold the number of songs of all the competition combined out to be a failure simply because they did not reach a ludicrous goal.
You want failure, I'd call Napster/buymusic.com/Coke (is the Coke music store still up and does anyone care?) utter and resounding failure.
The reason that MS was able to take over a Apple dominant market 20 years ago was because the market grew faster than Apple. If Apple wants to keep this market, all they need to do is continue to grow with the market until it fully expands over the next few years. If that means hearing more iTMS/iPod news for awhile, I'll take it to see Apple take a leader position in the field that it's quality products deserve. I just hope that Apple doesn't 'go Microsoft' once they've secured the field and stop giving a damn about the customer and innovation.
I think that the final 100 million song goal was set for one reason: to bait the crowd for the Pepsi give-away.
Undoubtedly, there will be the dumb-asses that take the 100 million completely out of context, and make Apple having sold 10 fold the number of songs of all the competition combined out to be a failure simply because they did not reach a ludicrous goal.
You want failure, I'd call Napster/buymusic.com/Coke (is the Coke music store still up and does anyone care?) utter and resounding failure.
The reason that MS was able to take over a Apple dominant market 20 years ago was because the market grew faster than Apple. If Apple wants to keep this market, all they need to do is continue to grow with the market until it fully expands over the next few years. If that means hearing more iTMS/iPod news for awhile, I'll take it to see Apple take a leader position in the field that it's quality products deserve. I just hope that Apple doesn't 'go Microsoft' once they've secured the field and stop giving a damn about the customer and innovation.
Re: Re: more chickenfeed
new word? Or have I missed something?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=orientated
Originally posted by geerlingguy
Cool new word
new word? Or have I missed something?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=orientated
I like the implication that BuyMusic hasn't even managed to sell 5 million songs yet. Considering that good ol' Mr. Blumm apparently thought he'd make that number in less than a week, you've almost gotta feel sorry for that level of abysmal failure. Almost. Serves the Mac-hating punks right.
Napster is obviously doing badly, but it's hardly a business plan to loose $15 million on gross sales of $5 million--sounds like the late 90s to me. Thanks to the iPod, Apple can make it work.
By the way, this being new music Tuesday, I noticed that the iTMS had its biggest run of new stuff ever--about 1000 albums, for 10-15K new songs. Not bad for a week, although I wish they'd either fill in the popular stuff or start getting some good, obscure imports.
Napster is obviously doing badly, but it's hardly a business plan to loose $15 million on gross sales of $5 million--sounds like the late 90s to me. Thanks to the iPod, Apple can make it work.
By the way, this being new music Tuesday, I noticed that the iTMS had its biggest run of new stuff ever--about 1000 albums, for 10-15K new songs. Not bad for a week, although I wish they'd either fill in the popular stuff or start getting some good, obscure imports.
So when do we hear the next set of numbers from apple? I wanna know how much pepsi has effected this, as we could easily have 5 million pepsi songs redeemed a week, for all we know. Or, those yellow caps could be going to the trash.
Not to mention, it would be REALLY great if we heard the total and how much was from pepsi...because maybe the pepsi millions matter now, but what really matters is if the store is still growing, and growing faster b/c of the pepsi publicity...
also, anyone know how much is bought in CD format?
Not to mention, it would be REALLY great if we heard the total and how much was from pepsi...because maybe the pepsi millions matter now, but what really matters is if the store is still growing, and growing faster b/c of the pepsi publicity...
also, anyone know how much is bought in CD format?
Steve announced at MWSF that Apple had broken 500,000. I would guess they are about 550,000 then.
Napster's big point was that they started with 500,000 but since many of their songs were for streaming only and not for download, I don't know how YOU want to count that.
iTunes charges (I think without exception) 99 cents for every song. Even the 'Silent' tracks.
I don't know if Napster has exceptions to the 99 cent rule (minus the tracks that you can't even buy if you want to), but that was one reason buymusic.com did even worse, they had many, many, many exceptions to the 99 cent rule.
"Orientate"? AAAAAUUUUUGHHHHH!
Oh my. Speaking for the all the language purists out there, this is a revolting development.
To those who don't know any better, "orientate" was not a word twenty years ago (and still isn't, despite what Webster says). Because so many underachieving products of our glorious school system had spent all their time in diversity training and global warming indoctrination, they didn't have time to learn how to properly utilize the word "orient" in a sentence. Instead, it was easier to bastardize "orientation" into "orientate". The teachers couldn't object, for fear they would be mobbed by subpeona-wielding parents screaming about repressive educational agendas; instead, the teachers gave the students a check-plus (letter grades are fascist) for creative writing. Fast-forward a few years, and the population notices "orientate" in Teen magazine, MTV and Dilbert. BAM! It magically enters the lexicon, and those of us over the age of 17 are forced to endure another inane assault on the language, common sense, and . . .
Okay, I'm an obsessive nut case.
Oh my. Speaking for the all the language purists out there, this is a revolting development.
To those who don't know any better, "orientate" was not a word twenty years ago (and still isn't, despite what Webster says). Because so many underachieving products of our glorious school system had spent all their time in diversity training and global warming indoctrination, they didn't have time to learn how to properly utilize the word "orient" in a sentence. Instead, it was easier to bastardize "orientation" into "orientate". The teachers couldn't object, for fear they would be mobbed by subpeona-wielding parents screaming about repressive educational agendas; instead, the teachers gave the students a check-plus (letter grades are fascist) for creative writing. Fast-forward a few years, and the population notices "orientate" in Teen magazine, MTV and Dilbert. BAM! It magically enters the lexicon, and those of us over the age of 17 are forced to endure another inane assault on the language, common sense, and . . .
Okay, I'm an obsessive nut case.
Ellen Degeneres just recently presented William Hung with an iPod when he performed on her show.
Now Apple marketing needs to solicit William Hung to be a spokesman for them. An iPod/iTunes Music Store commercial starring him would be a guaranteed HUGE hit.
Along with that they could have William Hung record some exclusive tracks for sale via the iTunes Music Store and they could easily sell another 100,000 songs or more.
All Apple has to do is take a trip up the road to Berkeley before someone else beats them to it.
Now Apple marketing needs to solicit William Hung to be a spokesman for them. An iPod/iTunes Music Store commercial starring him would be a guaranteed HUGE hit.
Along with that they could have William Hung record some exclusive tracks for sale via the iTunes Music Store and they could easily sell another 100,000 songs or more.
All Apple has to do is take a trip up the road to Berkeley before someone else beats them to it.
I love this dude. Although he is as funny as hell and can't sing for s**t, I admire his spirit. His rendition of She Bang is often mimiced in my office by about 6 people. Makes a great break up to boring meetings.
I think your idea is great. Add Simon to the ad and you'd really move the iPod/iTMS more into the mainstream.
I am not sure what Simon would add to it.
Also, although William is obviously not the most talented singer in the world, neither are most of the famous singers that you hear on the radio or see on MTV. William's voice is actual not as bad as people have made it out to be. I could make a VERY LONG list of popular singers who can not sing as well as William can. American Idol had him singing without any music; many famous singers refuse to sing live without music because it would expose how bad they actually are. Also, practically every singer that I know of uses reverb when performing but there was no reverb for William on American Idol.
For example, listen to William singing at Berkeley with a some background music : http://members.cox.net/newhomes/Shebangslive.mp3
Then go to the iTunes Music Store and listen to some tracks from various artists' LIVE albums.
William Hung is not the best, but he is not the worst.
Also, although William is obviously not the most talented singer in the world, neither are most of the famous singers that you hear on the radio or see on MTV. William's voice is actual not as bad as people have made it out to be. I could make a VERY LONG list of popular singers who can not sing as well as William can. American Idol had him singing without any music; many famous singers refuse to sing live without music because it would expose how bad they actually are. Also, practically every singer that I know of uses reverb when performing but there was no reverb for William on American Idol.
For example, listen to William singing at Berkeley with a some background music : http://members.cox.net/newhomes/Shebangslive.mp3
Then go to the iTunes Music Store and listen to some tracks from various artists' LIVE albums.
William Hung is not the best, but he is not the worst.
Re: Re: Re: more chickenfeed
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Just for the record, it does indicate that this word is an improper usage.
Hey, friend, as much as you and I might not like it, languages change. I believe that the only well known language that hasn't changed in the past couple of hundred years is Latin, and that's because it hasn't been in common use. But any language, including English, that is in common use changes. New words come into use, and some die out. Grammatical rules change.
So, while I'm not fond of the word 'orientate' either, the fact that our language is a living growing language means that such things must be lived with.
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Back on topic, I look forward to the day that I'll be able to find any song I want on iTunes. Though, I think I still might choose to buy CDs, at least some of the time...
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Just for the record, it does indicate that this word is an improper usage.
Originally posted by splashman
Oh my. Speaking for the all the language purists out there, this is a revolting development.
. . .
Okay, I'm an obsessive nut case.
Hey, friend, as much as you and I might not like it, languages change. I believe that the only well known language that hasn't changed in the past couple of hundred years is Latin, and that's because it hasn't been in common use. But any language, including English, that is in common use changes. New words come into use, and some die out. Grammatical rules change.
So, while I'm not fond of the word 'orientate' either, the fact that our language is a living growing language means that such things must be lived with.
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Back on topic, I look forward to the day that I'll be able to find any song I want on iTunes. Though, I think I still might choose to buy CDs, at least some of the time...
I can't figure out Napster. They do have good distribution, the Napster cards are all over the Midwest, grocery stores, book stores, etc.
But they have to know without hardware tied to the service, it will be a losing proposition. Most people aware of Napster still get their music free.
I can only guess Napster is going to hang in long enough to see if they can move their new player which I really like. But, even though I need a new player soon (iPod battery, just not going to buy a new battery less than a year in), I don't know if I'll buy another high capacity player with multimedia devices coming.
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For Perspective
While it might feel nice to know that napster has yet to make a signifigant dent in apple's monopoly of online music selling, we need to remember that iTMS has yet to make any sort of a dent into album sales. Valentines day week, 17 million albums were sold. No matter how you cut it, 30 million SONGS, TOTAL, is a drop of water in the ocean for the recording industry.
Someday, though.....
(also, this makes the directly comparable statistic of that record breaking week of 2 million songs sold online pretty bad...it's like, what, 15-20 times as many sales in a single day of albums?)
Source is the NY Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/23/business/media/23music.html
While it might feel nice to know that napster has yet to make a signifigant dent in apple's monopoly of online music selling, we need to remember that iTMS has yet to make any sort of a dent into album sales. Valentines day week, 17 million albums were sold. No matter how you cut it, 30 million SONGS, TOTAL, is a drop of water in the ocean for the recording industry.
Someday, though.....
(also, this makes the directly comparable statistic of that record breaking week of 2 million songs sold online pretty bad...it's like, what, 15-20 times as many sales in a single day of albums?)
Source is the NY Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/23/business/media/23music.html
Re: For Perspective
I recall some music industry exec saying online selling needs to be selling in the region of 20 to 50 million songs a month before it starts becoming significent. If we extrapolate 2 million a week to 8.5 to 9 a month, it's starting to get there. That's not too bad for a fledgling industry! (Subscription-free online music sales are still less than a year old)
OTOH, 30 million sales from a catalogue of 500,000 means an average revenue of just $60 per song! Admittedly, some songs probably made a hell of a lot more than that, but that would also mean many made less than that too.
I recall some music industry exec saying online selling needs to be selling in the region of 20 to 50 million songs a month before it starts becoming significent. If we extrapolate 2 million a week to 8.5 to 9 a month, it's starting to get there. That's not too bad for a fledgling industry! (Subscription-free online music sales are still less than a year old)
OTOH, 30 million sales from a catalogue of 500,000 means an average revenue of just $60 per song! Admittedly, some songs probably made a hell of a lot more than that, but that would also mean many made less than that too.
theRebel said:
It is so.
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playlistId=5892661