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If a $69 BLU smartphone from Amazon has FM radio, Apple can certainly do it.

No one is asking for crystal quality FM audio, but having a radio is better than not.
It will NEVER happen as long as Cook is CEO. FM Radio will NEVER happen. (way too much free content, no way to monetize.)
 
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It will NEVER happen as long as Cook is CEO. FM Radio will NEVER happen. (way too much free content, no way to monetize.)
never say never. if we support the fcc in this apple will have to give in in future generations
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What about antenna design do you not understand? You can use pretty much anything to receive FM, heck even a nail will do. You do need a tuned antenna to transmit though, otherwise the signal gets reflected back into the circuitry.

No antenna is just not true.
too true, don't others understand that flagship android phones have fm chips in them while apple doesn't either?
 
Only two ways Apple will put FM radio functionality in their latest iphones:

1) The government regulate making it mandatory for all mobile phone manufacturers to install radio functionality in ALL mobile phones.

or

2) Radio functionality gives Apple some financial benefits
 
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Not only are you wrong but you also seem angry.

If you stop and think what their point is, it's for emergency use. As in Katrina levels the entire LA/MS coast and took out cellular towers with it. There are still FM waves reaching the area. Everyone clings to their phone before they ever would a stand alone radio.

They can get safety and potentially life-saving updates from said iPhone w/FM chip.

But carry on I guess.

P.S. I have two lifetime subs on SiriusXM. Got them back in 2004. I haven't listened to AM/FM since, so nope I'm not white knighting for Clear Channel (before that accusation comes...my avi, lol)

No, what the industry needs to do is create new cell towers with better technology that can reach just as far or further than an FM signal.

I propose we have secure hanger sites with these massive crane like structures on wheels. It’s portable, have the height to reach far areas with its signal and have batteries and generators built in. It’s improved tech also connects to internet satellites and then to cellphones on the ground, so basically everyone will have full cell service in times like these.

We need a modern solution for this, it’s the only way to progress. We can’t keep running back to FM every time there is a natural disaster. We have been putting satellites in space for decades and we can’t figure out how to get people cell connected when the cell towers go out?

I have a few ideas from brainstorming in a couple minutes, imagine what people with the knowledge in these technical areas can actually do. The solution to this problem lies in technology we haven’t created yet, it’s time someone began creating it. It’s the reason Apple carefully said “we have engineered modern safety solutions into our products” If someone, private company or government creates a new modern safety standard that is designed for crisis like the recent hurricanes, Apple will be glad to implement that new safety solution into their products.
 
Only two ways Apple will put FM radio functionality in their latest iphones:

1) The government regulate making it mandatory for all mobile phone manufacturers to install radio functionality in ALL mobile phones.

or

2) Radio functionality gives Apple some financial benefits
yup. but most android phones already have fm chips so apple should get pressured eventually by the government
 
Only two ways Apple will put FM radio functionality in their latest iphones:

1) The government regulate making it mandatory for all mobile phone manufacturers to install radio functionality in ALL mobile phones.
They could mandate that if a phone has a radio tuner, it must be usable.
 
Who cares. Amber alerts that come to the phone directly are a good example of another way to get information out during a crisis or disaster.

Besides, if there are fm chips and I’m not listening to fm then I won’t get the alert just like the radio in my garage, if it’s not on then no alert comes through.

The alerts like the Amber alert is much better process in a crisis.
 
If there is an emergency while they're en-route somewhere, what are the odds that the vehicle they're in won't have FM radio? I'd hazard a guess that it would be next to zero. Also next to zero would be the odds that nobody at your destination will know what's going on. Children don't carry around phones... and I'm routinely out and about without a phone near me at all. How is FM in the phone going to help here?

And for those with phones, governments send out SMS messages automatically. You don't even have to 'tune in' to anything.

FM is dying. Get used to it.
 
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Plus aren’t we charged all these government excise fees taxes etc..on our cell bill for circumstances that an urgent message can get out if need be?
 
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What about antenna design do you not understand? You can use pretty much anything to receive FM, heck even a nail will do. You do need a tuned antenna to transmit though, otherwise the signal gets reflected back into the circuitry.

No antenna is just not true.

An ideal FM ¼ wave antenna is about 2.5 feet. Anything smaller will result in poor signal performance, and likely a host of complaints to Apple. Sure you can pick up signals with a nail, however they will need to be strong, and very susceptible to interference.

AM however, could be achieved with a bar antenna housed inside the device, but, that would take up considerable space by itself.

Besides that, is there a straight passthrough connection through the lightning connector that would allow such a signal? I think the only way that Apple could do this is to have a special lightning cable that would allow antenna signals through the port. Remember there are chips / micro-circuits in lightning cables. They aren’t straight wires like the old 30 pin connectors. Perhaps they could use the shielding or GND lead, but there would need to be circuitry added to protect the SOC from ESD and other risks.

Most cell phones that had FM radios used the headphone cord as the antenna, hmmm no more headphone jack. Not sure if the lightning jack can support an antenna connection to a headset wire. In any case it would have to be designed into a future product if FCC mandated. I don't think having a backup radio scheme for disasters built into the device I always carry is a bad thing. That said, it's really an AM radio that would be best and that's another antenna problem.

Actually AM radio antennas could likely be in device. A small Bar antenna for AM reception can be made small, but, still take up a sizable space in modern devices.
 
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No one believes this. As soon as radio in iPhone has poor quality, everyone will complain abou it, and there will be a class suit also.

Not necessarily. Apple could put a disclaimer in their documentation that states the radio function is only there to receive emergency broadcasts and as such the audio quality will not be to a high level.

The assumption has been that Apple install a fully functioning FM radio in their phones, a radio, that people assume will function as a normal radio. This does not have to be the case. All it needs to do is receive emergency radio broadcasts. If these broadcasts are on a fixed frequency then the radio can be fixed to these frequencies.
 
How about FM radios take care of the people that have them? Really, FM radio is a mess. Better off if we just decreed all those radio frequencies a mesh network. Wifi EVERYWHERE. No single broadcaster, but customized alerts go straight to you.
 
What about the phones not even having the necessary hardware and antennas do these people not understand?

What I don't understand is why anybody would use an iPhone as a radio. Battery life is limited, and if you are in a disaster area (the reason people say the iPhone needs a radio) your won't have any way to recharge it.

On the other hand, a simple internet search for battery powered radios turned up about 100 for under $80. The one I liked the best (to satisfy the iPhone/FM radio folks) was $70 and could be powered by built-in solar panels, rechargeable battery or hand crank. It also included a built-in signaling flashlight and USB ports.

https://www.firesupplydepot.com/kai...shopping&kw=kaito-voyager-solar-weather-radio

If anyone was truly interested in a disaster radio this option makes far more sense than requiring an FM radio in the iPhone (or any handset for that matter).
 
Ah.. the Nokia Navigator 6110 :D

What I don't understand is why anybody would use an iPhone as a radio. Battery life is limited, and if you are in a disaster area (the reason people say the iPhone needs a radio) your won't have any way to recharge it.

Why would u be in a disaster with an drained iPhone as your only life line?

We do much more than that BEFORE we get to safety, like risking our own lives to upload issues to Yutube for one. So i think the fact of having a radio is "mute" when u have a cell service with many more stations in different countries at a cost to the user.

Which is why i always came back to the Nokia Navigator as they didn't rely on cell carriers.
 
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Who cares. Amber alerts that come to the phone directly are a good example of another way to get information out during a crisis or disaster.

Besides, if there are fm chips and I’m not listening to fm then I won’t get the alert just like the radio in my garage, if it’s not on then no alert comes through.

The alerts like the Amber alert is much better process in a crisis.
The main point there is that those things would need a cellular (or WiFi) connection, and this kind of thing might not be available in an emergency.
 
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No phone FM service will ever beat this device in terms of reception and battery life.

Damm why doesn't my fridge have a radio built in ? Its so short sighted of them, and while I am at it why doesn't my radio make toast ?




If I wanted a radio, I would buy a radio, not a phone.

It's not just adding an FM radio, it's FM + AM + emergency bands. That means an app + a UI + power drain.

As everyone should be able to tell, Apple is having enough problems with their UI without adding a radio. Once you have radio then you have favorites, then an API, then it's a big hairball.

Plus with the iPhone's battery life what good is a radio? It'll just suck more power. Instead, spend $5 and get a radio with AA batteries.
What I don't understand is why anybody would use an iPhone as a radio. Battery life is limited, and if you are in a disaster area (the reason people say the iPhone needs a radio) your won't have any way to recharge it.

On the other hand, a simple internet search for battery powered radios turned up about 100 for under $80. The one I liked the best (to satisfy the iPhone/FM radio folks) was $70 and could be powered by built-in solar panels, rechargeable battery or hand crank. It also included a built-in signaling flashlight and USB ports.

https://www.firesupplydepot.com/kai...shopping&kw=kaito-voyager-solar-weather-radio

If anyone was truly interested in a disaster radio this option makes far more sense than requiring an FM radio in the iPhone (or any handset for that matter).
Flashlight functionality also uses up the battery, and flashlights can be obtained separately very cheaply and would be more powerful and better...but the functionality is available and can be used on an iPhone nonetheless.
 
So the NAB tried going through the FCC, didn’t work, so now barking themselves. :rolleyes:

Don’t be fooled, the NAB is pissed because Apple’s podcasts are gaining while FM radio is losing.
 
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driving Apple music users away doesn't sound like a point.. but anything to muddy the waters.

"Why listen on a mobile device, when u can enjoy Apple music, and while your there, perhaps u will sign up"
 
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