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Get your degree first then join the nuclear program as an officer.

Not sure I agree. A lot of nukes become officers, it's actually kind of easy for them. If you get your degree first then join, you either spent money or have a college loan to pay off. If you join, you can get your degree really cheap and during that time get training, bonuses and travel. Then after your degree you can get out or go officer. If you get out, you have no college loan to pay off and still have your G.I. Bill for further education or pass on to wife, kids. But honestly if you get your degree first, why even join? Go use your degree.
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I'm sure you'll ask if you can get your Bio degree and be in the Navy Nuc program. You'll have to weigh the time commitments against the free education, compare the time spent in the military vs what could be accomplished on the civilian side, and decide if the military environment is right for you. If biology is important to you and you are working in nuclear, unless there is reinforcement of some kind you, you will not be getting the same experience as if you were working in the Bio field on the civilian side. If biology is your primary interest, this could limit you in that direction. I don't really know, but it is something to talk about. Before you commit, if you have not , you should also talk to a civilian career councilor.
 
I worked with several guys who came out of the Navy's nuclear program after working a dozen years or so on submarines. Based on my observation of their post-military work lives, they spent their careers as glorified electrical techs - power distribution and such.

That's not to say they didn't learn anything, just that it was surprisingly non-nuclear, if that makes any sense.
 
My cousin and I both graduated with chemical engineering degrees. I graduated one year before him, and I went off to Japan for some time, and just came back to America two months ago. I did not join the military. My cousin graduated a year after I did, and went into the navy nuclear program. He has finally finished all of his training, etc., and this coming Sunday his family is having a send off party for him, as he is now at the point where he has received his orders for where to be stationed (Pearl Harbor for him so he's quite lucky).

I would personally go to school before going into the program. I take it you are a high school kid, about to graduate? One thing to know is that recruiters will tell you anything you want to hear, even if it means lying or playing to your heartstrings. Don't trust a single thing they say.

If I were you, I would go to school first for a few reasons:

1) You can have the "normal" college experience, which I feel is really important. You may find by the end of it that you have zero taste for anything military related. It was one of the best times of my life, and there is no way I could have an inkling of what it would've been like had I not had that experience. You have to have that experience to understand it.

2) It will be MUCH harder to go to school after your time in the nuclear program.

3) Hinging on #2, even if you are in the nuclear program in the military and come out on the civilian side, you are still going to be severely limited for jobs outside of blue collar trades if you don't have/get a degree afterwards. Fact is, while jobs almost always have a preference for a veteran, if you wanted to go into something like engineering which I would assume to be the preferred/usual track for naval nuke people, without a degree you can forget it. This is the era where resumes are scanned by computers before people even look at them and when people do look at them, if they don't meet the very basic of the basic requirements, they go straight into the trash. No degree, no chance, at least in the engineering world, since that's requirement #1 on every single job posting in engineering; no military experience substitution, etc.

This said, if you go to school, get a degree in a related field, then do the nuclear program, like my cousin, you should be set up amazingly well when you come back into the civilian side. My cousin is going to be sitting quite pretty with a chemical engineering degree and the naval nuke experience, and he's not going to be limited to trades. He's going to have some serious weight to throw around for an engineering position when he's done.

4) Go to school first and find out what you really like to do, even if that means you have to pay for it. When I started school, I wanted to be a sociologist. I came out with two degrees much different than that by the time I was done--one in chemical engineering and one in chemistry. You may be interested in biology now, but who knows what you will be interested in in X years.

At the end of the day, if you go into the nuke program, you still have to go through all the petty military crap like having some powertripping asshat yell at you about trite things and scrubbing floors with toothbrushes at 5 A.M. Personally I can't stand that, and there is no way I could put up with some roid-raging jackoff like that yelling at me all day after the self-discipline it took to complete my degrees. That's just me though, sometimes I wonder how my cousin put up with that for the last two years, because he too is a smart, disciplined kid, not some screw-up off a farm in Mississippi. Just now my friend is getting to the point where he can start doing his work, but even then when he gets to his station he has to go through a ton more training, etc. One thing that is cool, is he has Top Secret security clearance right off the bat.

One other thing to consider is that you do what the military tells you and you go where they tell you, you have no say in the matter. You can't just up and decide one day that you don't like job A in location B and think job C in location D would be a better fit for you.

I get the feeling you just took this test for the hell of it, did really well, and all of a sudden are being pressured/harassed by recruiters, telling you how amazing you are and how they can groom you into this fabulous career in the military and how you don't need college. I'm particularly concerned because your tentative interests seem to lie far outside the realm of what the nuclear program is all about. The closest thing would probably be chemical/nuclear engineering, not biology. Even then, according to my cousin, it's still quite different, but he was thankful for the rigorous engineering coursework he took which teaches you how to think and approach things. I can confirm that because by the time I graduated, my approach to problem solving and logical thinking was completely different than when I started my degree. Thus, for him, he was at an advantage in the nuke program in that he already thought like an engineer, which takes time to learn how to do. Take your time and really think about this, because you sound impressionable, and this is not the kind of thing you want anyone else to make the decisions for you on.

If you're interested in the program, great, just make sure that you are actually interested in the program and the material itself, not what the recruiters tell you. The military is definitely not for everyone, my cousin and I are very similar in background yet completely different that way. He seems to be ok with it for now, I couldn't fathom putting up with it for more than a day.

But most importantly, however you do it, I would get a college degree be it before or after your time, for insurance if nothing else and how it will make you a better, more enlightened person. Just my opinion though.
 
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My cousin and I both graduated with chemical engineering degrees. I graduated one year before him, and I went off to Japan for some time, and just came back to America two months ago. I did not join the military. My cousin graduated a year after I did, and went into the navy nuclear program. He has finally finished all of his training, etc., and this coming Sunday his family is having a send off party for him, as he is now at the point where he has received his orders for where to be stationed (Pearl Harbor for him so he's quite lucky).

I would personally go to school before going into the program. I take it you are a high school kid, about to graduate? One thing to know is that recruiters will tell you anything you want to hear, even if it means lying or playing to your heartstrings. Don't trust a single thing they say.

If I were you, I would go to school first for a few reasons:

1) You can have the "normal" college experience, which I feel is really important. You may find by the end of it that you have zero taste for anything military related. It was one of the best times of my life, and there is no way I could have an inkling of what it would've been like had I not had that experience. You have to have that experience to understand it.

2) It will be MUCH harder to go to school after your time in the nuclear program.

3) Hinging on #2, even if you are in the nuclear program in the military and come out on the civilian side, you are still going to be severely limited for jobs outside of blue collar trades if you don't have/get a degree afterwards. Fact is, while jobs almost always have a preference for a veteran, if you wanted to go into something like engineering which I would assume to be the preferred/usual track for naval nuke people, without a degree you can forget it. This is the era where resumes are scanned by computers before people even look at them and when people do look at them, if they don't meet the very basic of the basic requirements, they go straight into the trash. No degree, no chance, at least in the engineering world, since that's requirement #1 on every single job posting in engineering; no military experience substitution, etc.

This said, if you go to school, get a degree in a related field, then do the nuclear program, like my cousin, you should be set up amazingly well when you come back into the civilian side. My cousin is going to be sitting quite pretty with a chemical engineering degree and the naval nuke experience, and he's not going to be limited to trades. He's going to have some serious weight to throw around for an engineering position when he's done.

4) Go to school first and find out what you really like to do, even if that means you have to pay for it. When I started school, I wanted to be a sociologist. I came out with two degrees much different than that by the time I was done--one in chemical engineering and one in chemistry. You may be interested in biology now, but who knows what you will be interested in in X years.

At the end of the day, if you go into the nuke program, you still have to go through all the petty military crap like having some powertripping asshat yell at you about trite things and scrubbing floors with toothbrushes at 5 A.M. Personally I can't stand that, and there is no way I could put up with some roid-raging jackoff like that yelling at me all day after the self-discipline it took to complete my degrees. That's just me though, sometimes I wonder how my cousin put up with that for the last two years, because he too is a smart, disciplined kid, not some screw-up off a farm in Mississippi. Just now my friend is getting to the point where he can start doing his work, but even then when he gets to his station he has to go through a ton more training, etc. One thing that is cool, is he has Top Secret security clearance right off the bat.

One other thing to consider is that you do what the military tells you and you go where they tell you, you have no say in the matter. You can't just up and decide one day that you don't like job A in location B and think job C in location D would be a better fit for you.

I get the feeling you just took this test for the hell of it, did really well, and all of a sudden are being pressured/harassed by recruiters, telling you how amazing you are and how they can groom you into this fabulous career in the military and how you don't need college. I'm particularly concerned because your tentative interests seem to lie far outside the realm of what the nuclear program is all about. The closest thing would probably be chemical/nuclear engineering, not biology. Even then, according to my cousin, it's still quite different, but he was thankful for the rigorous engineering coursework he took which teaches you how to think and approach things. I can confirm that because by the time I graduated, my approach to problem solving and logical thinking was completely different than when I started my degree. Thus, for him, he was at an advantage in the nuke program in that he already thought like an engineer, which takes time to learn how to do. Take your time and really think about this, because you sound impressionable, and this is not the kind of thing you want anyone else to make the decisions for you on.

If you're interested in the program, great, just make sure that you are actually interested in the program and the material itself, not what the recruiters tell you. The military is definitely not for everyone, my cousin and I are very similar in background yet completely different that way. He seems to be ok with it for now, I couldn't fathom putting up with it for more than a day.

But most importantly, however you do it, I would get a college degree be it before or after your time, for insurance if nothing else and how it will make you a better, more enlightened person. Just my opinion though.

Thanks for all of this. I talked to the recruited today, and I'm pretty sure that I'm not going to do it. I apparently have to go to a special school for 2.5 years, serve in the military for 6, and then get my degree in Biology if I still wanted to do that.

My school forces all Juniors(last year for me) to take the ASVAB test.
 
I strongly considered it too but a series of events led me not to do it. I ended up working at a facility that essentially trains all the naval nuke operators. It looks rough to say the least. A lot of my coworkers who were engineers were also ex nuke guys and they shared so many stories. My impression is that it is very stressful work but also rewarding
 
My school forces all Juniors(last year for me) to take the ASVAB test.

They can do that? :eek:

I was one of only a handful in my school who didn't take it (most others did it to get out of class), but I didn't want to be harrassed by recruiters for the next several years if I did. My stepdad was in the Navy, and it was enough for me to learn that it was a life I didn't want to live.
 
Thanks for all of this. I talked to the recruited today, and I'm pretty sure that I'm not going to do it. I apparently have to go to a special school for 2.5 years, serve in the military for 6, and then get my degree in Biology if I still wanted to do that.

My school forces all Juniors(last year for me) to take the ASVAB test.

As a person who works in biochemistry (not really biology), there is relatively strong age discrimination within the field (both US and EU).

If I understand the math correctly, you'll finish high school at 17-18, do two years of special school through roughly 22, serve in the military until 28, and then start a BS in a science program (finish at age 32 or 33). Even if you finished the studies while being enlisted, you're looking at 6 years for a 4-year BS, meaning roughly 28 with a BS, in the best-case scenario.

In the US, I imagine that being a serious problem, 28-32 will no relevant work experience (no phrama, no biotech, no government biology experience). In fact, you'll be older than some/most newly minted US PhDs and all EU PhDs. In addition, all of the people with BS degrees will have at least 5-10 years experience in that particular field.

I'd have to strongly recommend against this avenue if you want to be a biologist.

I can see value in the program if you want some training free-of-charge (not including opportunity cost here, at all) and can parlay these skills to something in privately (small electrical company, etc...) but they'd be useless as a Biologist. No one hiring will care about your past history in the military, except that you're older.

Get the degree first, and then some experience. Preferably, with a large multinational corporation (Novartis, Roche, etc...) because then you'll be internationally mobile which is quite nice (perm jobs in the Biosciences and extremely nice in the EU compared to standard contracts in the US). In addition, a few years abroad at an elevated salary will eliminate any student loan debt you'll have.

Anyways, if you want to know more about the Biosciences, just let me know.
 
I know im really late to this post, but i want/need to talk someone in the navy

Im 20 years old, me and my friend are considering doing the buddy program for the Navy. We considering the nuclear program, because I want to be able to work in the oil industry when i decide to retire or when i finish my contract out...from this post i have understood that the nuclear program is very mentally challenging, and that does and doesn't discourage me. I am a somewhat bright kid i avg a 3.5 throughout High School, and 3.8 in my first semester at a local Junior College taking general education classes.

I am considering the navy because
1.I have been working for the oil refineries as a contractor, and when it comes time to start laying people off, or making cut backs and usually first to go due to my age and my inexperience. I want to get an education with the background of instrumentation which i could take at a trade school in Washington, but that would cost me 30,000 not including food, and living expenses.
2.I haven't had the been having the best luck with lately at home and i find myself becoming less motivated and less energetic due to countless reasons and i think it would be good for me to go off on my own (with a friend) receive a education and discipline and be able to get paid and see the world all at once, knowing it is seeing from a boat, but you do dock every once in awhile right???
3.I find the physical aspect of it very intriguing, because i did play basketball all 4 years in high school, in which i developed very good leadership skills (being captain of the team) and i like working as a team or unit to complete a task
4.If i love the navy, which im hoping i will, i would love to retire out of the navy and basically be somewhat set on for life, good education, benfits, health care etc.

and last but not least I didn't just wake up and decide to join the navy, its been on my while for awhile now. Its been on my mind since July of this year, and i went to the recruitment office and took a pretest which i scored good on, and got information back in the beginning of November.

(sorry for taking someones post, im new to this sight and i dont know how to post my own post nor PM someone)

Thank you for your time and consideration
 
The military advertises that they will help you pay for college if you join them. Can I use this funding to get a Biology degree, or would it have to be something related to what they want me to do for them?

Vet here.

You can absolutely obtain any degree you want while you're in the service, or when you finish.

I'm using the GI Bill right now. It's awesome.

If you're interested in doing the nuke program, do it, have that experience, then you can get out if you want. Though be prepared to have the Navy tell you to shut up and take their money to reenlist.

To note:

A proper biology degree (and keep in mind, you may change your mind after taking biology classes in college) will require actual labs and what not. Do NOT get a stupid degree from Phenoix online university of east side west side colgate state Memphis or whatever other for profit school there is. Use it, go to a real school, and obtain a real degree, since you're tuition is being paid for. Take all your GECs through the most credible school you can find, then transfer and do your major when you have the opportunity.

Point 2 of the above long post is inaccurate and doesn't make any sense. It's a lot easier to go to school when you're older, wiser, and more disciplined.
 
In the US, I imagine that being a serious problem, 28-32 will no relevant work experience (no phrama, no biotech, no government biology experience). In fact, you'll be older than some/most newly minted US PhDs and all EU PhDs. In addition, all of the people with BS degrees will have at least 5-10 years experience in that particular field.


Working on a nuclear submarine is plenty of experience for employers. Others who have the same degree as you will automatically lose out in any application because you've proven you can handle one of the most stressful, mentally challenging programs in the military.

So any job that a BS will qualify you for (and some others that you may not be technically qualified for) will open up for you.
 
Get your degree first then join the nuclear program as an officer.

It all depends how long you want to commit to the navy. My law school buddy got two advanced degrees, was 30 without a lot of job prospects outside of lawyering, and he enlisted for four years.

He can get nearly any training he wants and can leave without having to be an officer and currently get stuck with 7 years of more. At his age every year before an age 55 retirement is crucial so he made the best move. If the economy is better, and for college graduates, he will be near the end of his four years and can go back to civilian life and a chance at much more compensation. If the economy is not recovered he can always re-up for four more. As is the case with many under 30 in these harsh economic times, sometimes enlisting is best for both high school and college graduates.
 
I know of a couple of people that went through the navy nuclear program, and are now working at nuclear power plants in some capacity.

I'd say go for it...You will get some good training from the Navy, and maybe use the GI bill to pay for part of your education.

Also, just to throw this out there...I don't know anyone who ever said they regretted serving in the military, but I know plenty of people (myself included) who regret NOT serving.
 
Recently, I've been getting a lot of calls from military people because of my high ASVAB score last year. Today, this strange number kept calling me over and over, and eventually I decided I had to answer it. It was a guy from the Navy offering me a spot in the Nuclear program.

I want to be a Biology major, and I'm not really interested in other sciences very much. I'm pretty good at Math though.

Can I join this and still get a Biology degree? Is there anything else I should know before the recruiter tries to sell this program to me( he's making a special trip to my school just to find me, which I find rather odd :confused:)?

Thanks for your help.

Navy nuke will open up doors in the civilian nuclear job market. Most of our senior reactor operators were on boats. Very stable work with excellent pay. There are high standards for civilian licensed operators, but the pay and benefits will more than make up for it. Plus the ability to pretty much choose what climate area your would like to live in the US. If you can get through power school, license class should be no problem either.

From what I've seen Navy nukes are very skilled and competent folks to work with. Very sharp individuals with good work ethics, folks I admire for that.

Good luck
 
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