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NBC and Time Warner Continue to Back Flash Over HTML5

wizard said:
Obviously the poor management at NBC is showing through. It appears that living in the past and ignoring the future is the common mode of operation at NBC.

As to Time Warner who even cares anymore about them?

If color TV was the new technology of the day both of these companies would avoid supporting the new standard. After all Black & White dominate the broadcast industry. Simply put they are the authors of their own destruction.



Dave
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Whereas Apple and it's brain dead fanboys ignore the present. pssst, support both formats.
 
Well, I guess that means for every million new iPhones/iPads/iPod Touches sold, that a million less people going to visit their sites. Thats:

42.5 milliion iPhones (2009)
32.5 million iPod Touches (2009)
1 million iPads in 28 days and counting with European release tomorrow...

(Please excuse me if these figures aren't super accurate, I only did a quick search, but it makes a point).

Hmmm, that's a lot of people to be cutting out of your market.

Oh well, I guess they'll change when they feel they have to.

Zaphodz
 
Well they fouled up the Conan/Leno situation not surprised they also made the wrong decision here.
 
We will see what the folks in Philly have to say!

NBC has been mismanaged for years. No decisions to rock the boat will come until the folks in Philly (Comcast) take over. Then a real decision will be made! If Comcast is true to form, they will do whatever it takes to get more eyeballs.

Every post about NBC, regardless of topic, just goes to show why GE got rid of them and why they are a trailing network.
 
good thing i don't really care about any of the television networks.

except maybe comedy central, since they're gonna start airing futurama again.

also because south park, while out of its prime, is still awesome.
 
Supposedly the BBC have just released an iPad compatible version of their iPlayer streaming site in preparation for the iPad's UK launch tomorrow.

I can't test it since i don't have (nor have any intention of buying) an iPad and it redirects my iPod touch to the mobile version (and serves flash to Mac Safari).
 
-=XX=-Nephilim said:
They did simple math...

Android 2.2 and above will feature on huge number of mobile, portable and TV devices and will very soon indeed dominate this markets...

Flash works fine on all those devices even in beta stage :)

Why bother!?
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Android devices will also support HTML5. So, more devices support HTML5 than Flash. Looks like they got their math wrong.

And when it comes to video, its not an either/or decision. All good HTML5 video solutions I've seen have a flash fallback, which means they can be viewed by everything from iPad to IE6.
 
Zaphodz said:
Well, I guess that means for every million new iPhones/iPads/iPod Touches sold, that a million less people going to visit their sites. Thats:

42.5 milliion iPhones (2009)
32.5 million iPod Touches (2009)
1 million iPads in 28 days and counting with European release tomorrow...

(Please excuse me if these figures aren't super accurate, I only did a quick search, but it makes a point).

Hmmm, that's a lot of people to be cutting out of your market.

Oh well, I guess they'll change when they feel they have to.

Zaphodz
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And off those people ALL of them has a computer that supports flash.
Now lets break it down some more. iPad (non 3g) and iPod are going to have to be in range of wifi to be used for viewing on the web which means most people are going to be at home were there computers and TV are. Both of which have better screens and sounds for watching TV.
iPhone and iPad 3G is hurt a little because they might be at an airport or someplace killing time which then it can come in handy but even then it is a limited lost because of time.

Going HTML5 now and going with h.264 blocks 30% of your viewers who like firefox which does not support h.264.

They could easily be waiting for it to pan out between WebM and h.264 before they spend the millions they would have to do it to re encode everything for HTML5 site.
 
Jason S. said:
I always wonder how many of the people who comment on this issue are actually web developers and understand the differences between what HTML5, CSS, Javacript, and Flash can do.

You cannot do everything with HTML5, even though Apple wants to make it sound that way. There are things that Flash can do that HTML5 and Javacript simply can't, and NBC has made that clear with their statement they made about Hulu.

You all are quick to take Apple's side, but I bet most of you don't even know the difference between HTML5 and Flash. (It's not even HTML that would be doing most of the work anyway; It's Javascript.)
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HTML5 can't replace flash yet, but Apple is behaving like HTML5 is a matured standard that can totally replace Flash.

It's funny to read some comments in this forum. A blow to fanboys' ego and they are not taking it well. :D
 
As soon as independent producers figure out a way to get monetized without the networks, NBC and TimeWarner die. Refusing to become part of the 21st century is a good start.

Actually, for me, TW is already dead as far as TV is concerned. I dropped cable and satellite as the cost was ridiculous. As Gallagher says (commenting about TV content), "There's a brightness knob on the TV and I turn it but it doesn't seem to do anything."
 
That's Forward Thinking

And NBC wonders why they are last in the ratings :rolleyes:

Dinosaurs hate change... Oh yea they're extinct.
 
bboucher790 said:
Time Warner uses DVR software that is 10 years old, it's no surprise to me that they aren't "moving forward". Every time I watch TV at my mom's house, I feel like it's Y2K all over again....
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We've provided engineering for Charter, Time Warner, Comcast, WideOpenWest, etc... for a decade or more. All cable companies operate under the premise that change is expensive and therefore bad. That short-term thinking is their long-term vision. Their networks would still be on 400hz, or 4hz for that matter, if the big evil Government didn't force them to upgrade a percentage of their network every other year.

This is no surprise.

However, expecting the entire web to dump flash (on its way out or not) overnight, or double the amount of site & content creation to suit one device is a little crazy.
 
I just sent NBC and angry email :)

Here it is:

Welcome to the Future.

It is time to make your site work on an extremely popular device that allows people to "hold the web in their hands."

Make an app or fix your site for the iPad. And dont say its not possible, because it is.

DONT COMPLAIN!!! JUST DO IT!

People who've done it:
Facebook Video, YouTube, ABC, CBS, TED, CNN, Reuters, New York Times, Vimeo, Time, ESPN, MLB, Netflix, NPR, NHL, The White House, Virgin America, Sports Illustrated, Flickr, People Magazine, Nike, SPIN.com, National Geographic, CNN Money, MSNBC, Fox News, CNET TV, TV Guide, CW Network, Wall Street Journal, EXTRA, Ellen DeGeneres Show, InStyle, Rouxbe Cooking School, LIFE, The Onion, Brightcove, and many more

hmmmm... isn't that list a little intimidating!?

It's your turn now!

http://www.slideshare.net/jimjeffers/building-an-html5-video-player

Thanks!
 
I have a Droid which will support flash. But I also realize that just because it supports flash doesn't mean all flash sites will work. For example, Hulu is blocked from working on any mobile device even if they do support flash. I feel like people think that if the iPhone gets flash then they will be able to watch Hulu and all other online video sites. This is not the case.
 
jacklink01 said:
I just sent NBC and angry email :)

Here it is:

Welcome to the Future.

It is time to make your site work on an extremely popular device that allows people to "hold the web in their hands."

Make an app or fix your site for the iPad. And dont say its not possible, because it is.

DONT COMPLAIN!!! JUST DO IT!

People who've done it:
Facebook Video, YouTube, ABC, CBS, TED, CNN, Reuters, New York Times, Vimeo, Time, ESPN, MLB, Netflix, NPR, NHL, The White House, Virgin America, Sports Illustrated, Flickr, People Magazine, Nike, SPIN.com, National Geographic, CNN Money, MSNBC, Fox News, CNET TV, TV Guide, CW Network, Wall Street Journal, EXTRA, Ellen DeGeneres Show, InStyle, Rouxbe Cooking School, LIFE, The Onion, Brightcove, and many more

hmmmm... isn't that list a little intimidating!?

It's your turn now!

http://www.slideshare.net/jimjeffers/building-an-html5-video-player

Thanks!
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The companies in bold are owned by Time-Warner/NBC.;)

Here's a list for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assets_owned_by_Time_Warner

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC_Universal
 
Its great that Apple wants to adopt the new standard, but its not like majority of the ipod touch/iphone users are web designers or developers.. =/ Its not relevant to them, I mean all they want to do is stream flash videos.. I'm a designer myself, but I've got the ipod touch, ever since I've got it I've looked around to see if there was a work around to enable flash playback on an ipod touch..

Its what everyone wants, thats why I think there should be full flash support on an ipod touch/iphone, or at least a way to enable it..

When everyone makes the transition to HTML5, forget about flash then, but not now..

It's the same with anything else, when XHTML was first introduced, its not like people made the changes immediately it took a lot of time.. even today there are sites that still use only HTML 4.01..

Even if the bigger sites are making the change, you have to consider there are millions of smaller sites that do not and cannot implement HTML5 just yet
 
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