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Melkor said:
I hate people like you who try to sue large companys. It really pisses me off. So you go sick from McDonalds food, tough ****. Get over it.

It's because of people like you that insurance is so high for smaller companys.
That was not exactly a good contribution to the purpose of the thread.

I've recently seen some pretty silly news spots (on cnn in particular) about fast food companies and some bad stuff they do. For instance, their ice is apparently more dirty than their toilet water. Who know?

Maybe you could somehow find some connection to the media and get them to report on this. I could definetly see them getting some free airtime and running an investigation on the "secret" ingredients of their foods and the harmful effects. If you (or they) were able to uncover a group of people who ahd the same problems as you, you may be able to pursue a class action suit and get more leverage. And with the media on your side, you'd have even better chances.

Sort of a litigator's dream, i guess.... but worth striving for!
 
mad jew said:
If your intention is to make McDonalds clearly label what their food contains, then don't bother with a lawyer. I thought you just wanted to get something from them.

I do want something from them.

mad jew said:
Rather than a lawyer, I'd write them a nice letter outlining what happened and requesting that they label their food better in future. IMO, it's the best you can do.
They do list the ingredients. They just 'omitted' milk and gluten so that vegan's would eat their fries.

mad jew said:
Strangely, here in Australia McDonalds has to be kept accountable by law. They must outline every ingredient they use if asked. There are nutritional information leaflets in each outlet (others may call them restaurants). I would have thought the USA would have similar laws.
Same here in the USA, the FDA found out and had a field day with McD's
 
skoker said:
They do list the ingredients. They just 'omitted' milk and gluten so that vegan's would eat their fries.


Well, they don't list all of their ingredients so I still think a letter would be the good Samaritan response. :)
 
skoker said:
They just 'omitted' milk and gluten so that vegan's would eat their fries.

Why do I have a hard time believing that someone who is as health-conscious as a vegan would actually ever step foot in a McDonald's? I'm guessing it's close to the number of vegetarians who go to steak houses. :p :cool:
 
mad jew said:
Well, they don't list all of their ingredients so I still think a letter would be the good Samaritan response. :)


But asking them to do what? They already confessed to omiting the milk on the label.
 
Melkor said:
I hate people like you who try to sue large companys. It really pisses me off. So you go sick from McDonalds food, tough ****. Get over it.

It's because of people like you that insurance is so high for smaller companys.
OK, well that's a helpful response...:rolleyes:

Macdonalds has been required by law for years to publish the ingredients of their food, and provide the ingredients list on request- PRECISELY because people with allergies need to know what's in the food they eat so they can avoid -- milk, nuts, eggs, gluten, MSG, whatever they are allergic to. And it's not a matter of just feeling punky, people die from their food allergies.

The issue, legal or otherwise, is that Macdonalds DID publish an ingredient list, and then adulterated the food with other potentially hazardous ingredients without notice to the customers. To make a case, you have to prove not only that you got sick, but that the defendent was negligent in some way that contributed to your sickness. The unlabelled milk ingredients may well qualify as negligence.

There are two ways to force a company to comply with standards of conduct - regulation and litigation. The FDA and local health authorities can use regulation to force compliance. The consumer can use litigation to both get compensation for their injury, and to seek punitive damages that will hurt the company for their negligence (punitive more so in the USA than in Canada).

Example: If you park without plugging your $0.25 in the meter, your fine isn't $0.25, it is $35.00, to slap you upside the head that you don't do it again and disincent someone else from cheating. Same principle. Now this has been taken to extremes -- class action suits because of plastic audio players that scratch -- but a lawsuit - or a class action lawsuit where large numbers of plaintiffs pool their complaints and resources against a defendent - is an entrenched principle of the Western system.
 
skoker said:
But asking them to do what? They already confessed to omiting the milk on the label.


Just ask them to stop omitting it. It probably won't get anywhere but it'll be therapeutic because it'll give you the chance to get this off your chest plus it's in the best interest of other people allergic to milk. It'll make you feel warm and fuzzy inside (not to be confused with the feeling you get when you drink milk, that's hot and nauseous). :p
 
I just want to clarify a few things. Did you continue to eat McDonalds even after you realised it was making you sick? Did you ever ask them whether their food contained milk products?
 
max_altitude said:
I just want to clarify a few things. Did you continue to eat McDonalds even after you realised it was making you sick? Did you ever ask them whether their food contained milk products?

I can answer the first part -- yes he has, we used to go there for lunch every once and a while.
 
~Shard~ said:
Why do I have a hard time believing that someone who is as health-conscious as a vegan would actually every step foot in a McDonald's? I'm guessing it's close to the number of vegetarians who go to steak houses. :p :cool:

You'd be shocked- they released that because of the vegans who found out.
 
Sorry, but I find this a little trite. It would be like me suing Camel because I got lung cancer, when I know smoking is bad for me. EVERYONE knows McDonald's is bad food. It's probably a hell of a lot worse than smoking, actually. People who eat that crap 5 times a month are probably doing themselves more harm.

Ever see Supersize Me? The doctor's on there all agreed that eating McDonalds, and most any other fast food is abd for you, and shouldn't be done more than a couple times a year.

I don't eat McDonald's PERIOD. I haven't for about 3 years.

I know you couldn't control what you were eating at 5, but your parents could. Maybe you should sue them for pushing it on you?
 
Onizuka said:
Sorry, but I find this a little trite. It would be like me suing Camel because I got lung cancer, when I know smoking is bad for me. EVERYONE knows McDonald's is bad food. It's probably a hell of a lot worse than smoking, actually. People who eat that crap 5 times a month are probably doing themselves more harm.

Ever see Supersize Me? The doctor's on there all agreed that eating McDonalds, and most any other fast food is abd for you, and shouldn't be done more than a couple times a year.

I don't eat McDonald's PERIOD. I haven't for about 3 years.

I know you couldn't control what you were eating at 5, but your parents could. Maybe you should sue them for pushing it on you?

Exactly. Well said Onizuka - I assume you read (and hopefully agree with) my similar post above. :cool:

Good suggestion - maybe you should sue your parents instead for being negligent in regards to their son's health and well-being.
 
Onizuka said:
Sorry, but I find this a little trite. It would be like me suing Camel because I got lung cancer, when I know smoking is bad for me. EVERYONE knows McDonald's is bad food.
No, I don't agree.

The British Columbia government is suing tobacco companies on behalf of the citizens not because smoking is bad per se, but because the tobacco companies 1) systematically denied that nicotine was addictive, while in full knowledge that it was, and 2) advertised the product for decades to encourage addiction while not disclosing the health risks and addictive nature of the product. The BC Gov't is going after damages for the health costs -- it remains to be seen whether they will get anywhere or not.

Nobody is arguing that the consumer didn't have free choice when deciding to smoke, but that the consumer was negligently misled as to the risk of doing so.

From your example, everybody KNOWS that McDonalds fries don't contain milk ingredients... because that's what McDonalds explicitly said. That's the issue, not whether the food is fat-laden and non-nutritious.
 
amacgenius said:
I can answer the first part -- yes he has, we used to go there for lunch every once and a while.

Hmm, let me get this straight. You find out McDonalds makes you sick due to an allergy and yet you continued to eat there? You didn't eat a McFlurry or Sundae did you? :p
 
mad jew said:
Just ask them to stop omitting it. It probably won't get anywhere but it'll be therapeutic because it'll give you the chance to get this off your chest plus it's in the best interest of other people allergic to milk. It'll make you feel warm and fuzzy inside (not to be confused with the feeling you get when you drink milk, that's hot and nauseous). :p

They aren't omitting it anymore though :p
 
max_altitude said:
Hmm, let me get this straight. You find out McDonalds makes you sick due to an allergy and yet you continued to eat there? You didn't eat a McFlurry or Sundae did you?


I just recently found out that it was McDonalds-- after 13 years of not knowing that they were making me sick.
 
max_altitude said:
So you haven't eaten there since you found out?

Correct. It's been about a year, and this was just recently confirmed by McDonalds.
 
mad jew said:
Then there isn't a problem. :cool:

I think what he's trying to say is that they should be liable for the period during which they didn't disclose that information.

Also, do you have much medical evidence to support you?
 
CanadaRAM said:
Nobody is arguing that the consumer didn't have free choice when deciding to smoke, but that the consumer was negligently misled as to the risk of doing so.

I appreciate this from a legal perspective, and see what you're saying, however I still make the case that whether it's eating fast food, smoking, whatever, the fact still remains that, the law aside, the person should not be engaging in those activites in the first place if they actually care about their own health and well-being. :cool:

To me, it's like a robber breaking into a home, tripping over a poorly placed item or slipping on some ice the user neglected to clear from his sidewalk, and then suing the home-owner for his injury. Legally he may have a case, but the fact of the matter is he is still doing something wrong. ;) :cool:
 
skoker said:
I just recently found out that it was McDonalds-- after 13 years of not knowing that they were making me sick.

Let me get this straight - it took you 13 years to figure out what was making you sick?!? :eek: :rolleyes:
 
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