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I only spoke of Dell so you aren't actually disagreeing with me in lauding HP. While the Dells certainly aren't crap, they're also not MP's in terms of quality in design/ engineering. I say this from the perspective of a hardware support tech in a large Dell environment.. dealing with them every day, certified, all that. (Certified Apple tech as well.) Dell makes fine machines and I have nothing bad to say about them. They're like Mitsubishi as compared to say BMW; stylish and functional but with cheaper materials. They'll still do the job, perhaps just as well.. but the experience isn't the same.

Dell has excellent customer service/support and very quick turnaround which is slightly more than I can say for Apple. The downside is you're running Windows.

Ah, misunderstood then, my apologies.
 
Again, not important. If the thing turns on and runs without dying I'm happy; metal or plastic.

Not important to who? You? Fine.

Okay show us some data that backs up these 'claims'. If they both have the exact same, high-grade server parts in them they should last the same amount of time.

If they had the exact same parts they'd be the same at least according to Liebniz law. :) I'm not tying to build a case here, I really don't care. Pros continue to buy MP's because they're invested in the Apple platform and MP's are awesome solid machines that rip through the work and last a long time. Unless Dell is going to start making hack-intoshes I don't think most of the MP market is too concerned how cheap Dells are, within reason of course.

Well I will give you that! But sometimes it feels like OSX is costing us $500-$1,000..

Depends on what model your running it on, but yes Apple is and has always has been unapologetic about its more expensive pricing. More importantly though, nobody is putting guns to people's heads and making them buy Apple and yet Apple continues to be successful. Could Apple lower prices to compete with Dell et al and still pull a profit? Irrelevant to everyone except those who want Apple machines but refuse to pay the Apple tax.
 
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