exactly, not to mention internet cables are always hanging outside and easily recognizable.
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Nest Releases Outdoor Security Camera, Mobile App Update in the Works
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I'm doing fine with Foscam (960p and up, wired) and a Synology DS216play as the DVR. There are even cheaper ways than that too.
At the number of cameras I have (12), it's $550 more initial cost to do it with these Nest Outdoor ones than the Foscams+DS216play+2xWD-Red-4TB (with the detection areas set correctly, I have about 4-5 months of 'history'). Except I'll pay $0 monthly fee for all my cameras and to add a camera it's $50 less than the upfront cost of this (including another record license on the Synology). Side benefit is my recordings will never be in the cloud or anyone else's hands, ever.
Speaking of... I'm going to guess that I would need to sacrifice bandwidth constantly for each camera to record to the cloud with the Nest as well...
Just a whole bunch of "nope" with these Nests, if you're smart.
At the number of cameras I have (12), it's $550 more initial cost to do it with these Nest Outdoor ones than the Foscams+DS216play+2xWD-Red-4TB (with the detection areas set correctly, I have about 4-5 months of 'history'). Except I'll pay $0 monthly fee for all my cameras and to add a camera it's $50 less than the upfront cost of this (including another record license on the Synology). Side benefit is my recordings will never be in the cloud or anyone else's hands, ever.
Speaking of... I'm going to guess that I would need to sacrifice bandwidth constantly for each camera to record to the cloud with the Nest as well...
Just a whole bunch of "nope" with these Nests, if you're smart.
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Ha. Ha. You are a riot. Maybe you are "smart" enough to pay $10 a month to have a camera zoom in and out. I just don't get it. Sorry. It's NOT that I'm looking for free. The camera costs money. But then to make it fully functional as designed you have to pay another $10 a month. Yes, don't get it.
Schlage had a program like that with it's first smart locks -- maybe they still do. I waited and bought a $200 August lock - no silly monthly fee to have the door unlock when I approach. Maybe you think a $200 lock is "free," I don't know. I thought it was pretty spendy myself, but enjoy it, especially with hands full of grocery bags so it was worth it.
This is true. That's why running just cameras strickly for security is not good. It's always good to have an Alarm system that relies on a dedicated cellular connection like my Alarm.com system. If burglar tries to cut connections such as power, landline, or internet the system will be able to send the signal out.
The $10/mo plan retains your video for 10 days.
Nest seriously needs to offer a $3/mo plan for people who only need to keep their video for a few days.
Mostly I'd need this to watch my pets when I go away for a long weekend. I'm not going to pay $10/mo for that, though, I'll find a competing cam.
You'll have zero history if someone breaks in and steals your NAS, unless you've somehow physically secured it. This is the principal advantage of history in the cloud...though as pointed out this fails if someone cuts the incoming internet. I've managed to totally bury/conceal my Verizon FiOS fiber optic line coming into the house, so it would be difficult to impossible for a would-be intruder to cut it unless they somehow knew where the line is buried. Security is never that simple; there are always numerous attack vectors one needs to consider.
This is often said, but is wrong - Nest's privacy policies were not impacted by the acquisition by Google.
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I'm not convinced it's about being smart or not. You're clearly adept with this, but others aren't. Or they are, but they prioritise other things. Your system sounds great - I'm sure it is - but equally great is walking into the local shop, plugging a Nest Cam (or something else) into the wall, then walking off and carrying on with your day. Then you don't have to worry about what "Foscams+DS216play+2xWD-Red-4TB" means and how they work together. Some people are smart, and still want something off the shelf.
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It's a package called "Surveillance Station". You can also fire up the FTP server and get the snapshots on older cams as well. The DS216Play is just a Linux box really, so there is much that can be done with it.
My Synology boxes are very well secured away. All wiring to my home is subterranean already, but the internet is nothing hard to take out, if you don't have a wireless connection. All those wires and fibers come back to some point that can be disabled rather easily. My internet is Cable with USB dongle LTE backup on the router. Not that it matters since I don't need the cloud to get the job done
My UPS can keep that and my two Synology DS's up for well over... Let's say a very, very, long time, since they draw so little power... Probably longer than the front says since the one that is not doing DVR duty is set to shutdown after 60 seconds when the UPS is on battery.
The non-crucial IP cams are on one POE switch that is not on the UPS, the ones that have the best chance of catching a face or license plate are on another POE switch that is on the UPS.
Any cloud or non-cloud system can be disabled very efficiently with a few good long paintball shots, a really bright IR spot or laser pointed at the camera to overload the sensor, etc. You're not going to do anything but slow down a smart, determined criminal with anything... The best you can do is to do something that is not expected and hope for the best
$10 a month with no option to store recorded video locally? And your stream goes to a company who makes all of its money selling your personal information for marketing and probably other less mundane reasons?
No thanks.
No thanks.
It looks like Surveillance Station is free with your DS box but it only does 8x forward and backward, which would make it unusable... I do a lot of 32x and 64x forwarding and backwarding to find stuff. Otherwise a neat solution.
Agree. It was a battle to connect to it. Then to change the state, yikes.
Yes I wasted a couple hundred.
And what makes you believe that you are not giving away your privacy?
Without consenting to anything I see on a daily basis advertising in Safari from plenty of things I've had been talking about while away from home, only having my iPhone on me. I don't subscribe to social media nor any other thing beyond Mac Rumors.
How many security camera ads have you seen today?
Setting up motion triggers properly is key to any well configured modern video surveillance setup. Well, along with properly chosen lenses and placement...
If that's not an option because there is actual activity all the time, the mp4 files are right there on the DS box to play in any of your favorite players at whatever speed they support. You're not bound to the player supplied like a lot of DVR solutions. Very out-of-the-box thinking is what got me hooked on it.
A couple years ago, I used a script on my Macmini to do some fancy symlink and metadata editing to make each day appear as a "season" of the show "Cameras" and each event being an episode... Till iTunes got funky and stopped playing ball.
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