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Net neutrality regulations officially expired in the United States earlier this morning, making today the first day of a post-net neutrality internet (via The New York Times). The expiration of the laws comes six months after the Federal Communications Commission voted 3-2 in favor of repealing net neutrality, a vote that has since faced intense backlash including multi-state lawsuits and a recent move by Democrats to block the repeal.

Although supporters and opponents of net neutrality greatly disagree on how the internet will look following the repeal, without the rules internet service providers like Comcast, Verizon, and AT&T now have the legal ability to throttle any traffic on their networks, and block access to sites and services completely, as long as they inform their customers of their actions. In essence, many have theorized that this could lead to ISPs bundling "packages" of internet sites and selling them like cable companies, as well as putting high-paying customers in "fast lanes" and everyone else in "slow lanes."

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Of course, all of these changes won't happen at once, and some states won't see any affect from the disappearance of net neutrality today due to local legislation. Washington state governor Jay Inslee signed a law in March that effectively reinstated the federal net neutrality rules for its residents, and other state governors in Montana and New York are said to have used executive orders "to force net neutrality." A total of 29 state legislatures had introduced bills to ensure net neutrality as of May, but many failed or are still pending today as the national repeal takes place.

Democrats took to the Senate last month and won a vote to restore net neutrality rules across the country, which is now facing a major hurdle in the House of Representatives. According to Bloomberg, Democrats are now "less than 50 votes" from advancing their resolution in the House that would reinstate net neutrality protections, with a petition to force a vote at 170 of 218 signatures needed. If the measure ultimately makes it to President Trump's desk, it's believed that it would likely still be struck down as the President wouldn't go against a regulation created by his own FCC chairman Ajit Pai.

The pro-net neutrality petition's sponsor, Representative Mike Doyle, noted that many see the measure gaining momentum as customers become aware of how things could change in the future.
"If certain services are blocked or throttled, they get it," Doyle said. "People start to understand, these are protections for consumers that no longer exist."
In contrast, USTelecom president Jonathan Spalter said the outcry is unfounded and pointed out that "it's business as usual on the internet today."
"It's business as usual on the internet today -- movies are streaming, e-commerce is thriving, and advocates are using the internet to make their voices heard," said Jonathan Spalter, president of broadband trade group USTelecom with members including AT&T and Verizon. "These positive and profound benefits of a free and open internet -- among many others -- are here to stay."
FCC chairman Ajit Pai said in a press conference on Friday that today's repeal will lead to "better, faster, cheaper internet access for consumers, and more competition." Supporters of the repeal cite the return to an "open" and less regulated internet, seen prior to the 2015 induction of net neutrality. Multiple groups taking the FCC's side in the debate and in numerous legal battles include wireless communications trade association CTIA, which represents AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, and T-Mobile, and NCTA, an association representing cable carriers like Comcast and Charter.

As Democrats gather votes in the House, many of the big technology companies have voiced support of net neutrality, including Netflix, Google, Amazon, and Apple. Although the company and its executives have not discussed the topic in a few months, Apple's comment last year stated that the net neutrality repeal could "fundamentally alter the internet as we know it," and if it passed it would be put in place to the detriment of consumers, competition, and innovation.

Note: Due to the political nature of the discussion regarding this topic, the discussion thread is located in our Politics, Religion, Social Issues forum. All forum members and site visitors are welcome to read and follow the thread, but posting is limited to forum members with at least 100 posts.

Article Link: Net Neutrality Rules Officially End Today as Democrats 'Less Than 50 Votes' From Advancing Petition in the House
 

ravenstar

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FCC chairman Ajit Pai said in a press conference on Friday that today's repeal will lead to "better, faster, cheaper internet access for consumers, and more competition."

Proponents of Net Neutrality have made a plausible argument with examples that show how this is not true. Can the opponents do the same? The "trust us" argument doesn't hold much water with the current political climate.
 

rjtyork

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I actually think it might not be a bad idea to try it out for a few years. It might actually lead to more interesting and useful innovations with less government regulation. If it turns out that we hate it and it sucks, I bet we’d be able to reinstate net neutrality laws and get back to the way things are. Not to mention a lot of people seem to have forgotten that these regulations are still fairly new as it is. Nothing wrong with switching back and forth a few times to see what’s working better and what we like better.
 

tzm41

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Change won't happen overnight, but big corporations will slowly charge us more for the same things... Especially for those who have no choice but one ISP in their area.

So I really don't wanna see the "NN ended where's the doomsday? Liberals are playing with FUD" comment.
 

TheShadowKnows!

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Change won't happen overnight, but big corporations will slowly charge us more for the same things... Especially for those who have no choice but one ISP in their area.

So I really don't wanna see the "NN ended where's the doomsday? Liberals are playing with FUD" comment.
Bandwidth is neither "liberal" nor "conservative".
It makes no distinction as it streams to your device (last time I checked).

Why are you introducing political tags? RED or BLUE does not matter. It is colored NEUTRAL.
 

barkomatic

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I actually think it might not be a bad idea to try it out for a few years. It might actually lead to more interesting and useful innovations with less government regulation. If it turns out that we hate it and it sucks, I bet we’d be able to reinstate net neutrality laws and get back to the way things are. Not to mention a lot of people seem to have forgotten that these regulations are still fairly new as it is. Nothing wrong with switching back and forth a few times to see what’s working better and what we like better.
It may not be so easy to switch back because ISP's will have launched business models and made investments that they will fight tooth and nail to preserve through lobbyists.
 

rjtyork

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It may not be so easy to switch back because ISP's will have launched business models and made investments that they will fight tooth and nail to preserve through lobbyists.
Very possible, but that could lead to something good as well. The internet has become so important in our lives that if lobbyists are screwing it up for us, we’re going to raise hell about it until we get it fixed. Might be a good opportunity to shine a very bright spotlight on the problems with lobbyists.
 

aka777

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This is all part of the GOP / Freedom Caucus (i.e. Teaparty) / Trump's plan to "make American great again".

The problem is that the people who vote for this guy have no idea whatsoever what anything like this means let alone for them.
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It worked fine back when AT&T blocked Skype from 2007-2009...

Wait until the cable companies start throttling competing video services.
 

512ke

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I actually think it might not be a bad idea to try it out for a few years.

You can’t try out losing freedoms. Once you forfeit a right you generally have to fight to get it back.

This is true whatever the right: right to open and free internet; right to have unpolluted air, water and food; right to a stable banking system; right to serve in the military regardless of gender identity, etc.
 

imageWIS

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Proponents of Net Neutrality have made a plausible argument with examples that show how this is not true. Can the opponents do the same? The "trust us" argument doesn't hold much water with the current political climate.

No, they can't. All they do is blow smoke, Ajit Pai being no exception and taking a cue from his utterly useless orange leader.
 

nwcs

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I don’t see the big deal. Sure, there are a ton of contrived and theoretical scenarios for both sides of the debate. Ultimately I think it’s a tempest in a teapot. For every company that will abuse its position there will be another that will take the opposite stance. And in the end the consumer will pick the models they want to see succeed. It may require doing without some content but, you know, that isn’t the end of the world either.
 

lkrupp

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Before I complain and make any negative uneducated posts, I’m going to wait and see how it directly effects me.

Since I can’t do anything about the ruling at this point it’s just a wait and see. Hopefully this opens up some competition and better pricing?

But negative and uneducated posts is how the Internet works. Where have you been all these years.
 

imageWIS

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You can’t try out losing freedoms. Once you forfeit a right you generally have to fight to get it back.

This is true whatever the right: right to open and free internet; right to have unpolluted air, water and food; right to a stable banking system; right to serve in the military regardless of gender identity, etc.

ALL OF THIS ^^^^. What's next in the USA? 'Hey let's give dictatorial Fascism a try for a few years!'.
 

thadoggfather

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Let’s all start freaking out over hypotheticals

The reality is, as many have mentioned, we dont really know the implications of this

It’s a confusing subject that could be spun both ways or any which way..

I do think we’re in a position now where social media needs to be heavily regulated tho, as they have abused their power and censored all those that dont go with the mainstream media narrative while claiming to be impartial.

Deeming things “unsafe for the community” that are not “unsafe for the community” is not acceptable just because they’re conservative. Diamond and Silk come to mind.

First they go after conservatives. One day they may go after liberals and every one else. You aren’t exempt just because you aren’t at risk of being censored.. for now
 

KPandian1

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