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Regional monopoly carriers in various small (and sometimes large) municipalities have show (sic) a documented history of rabidly defending their turf. Both legally and extra-legally. Actively preventing such startup competition from even getting started.

If Anti-NN folks want to see this magical competition materialize in rural markets they'll need pass regulations and possibly incentives to help grow that competition.

The local Public Service Bodies can be (and are being) bribed to prevent ISP, Cable TV, Gas competition by the monopoly utilities. Very cheaply too - my HOA got a onetime payment of $10000.00 from Comcast two years ago, for 75+ units in the subdivision! Not even tax part of the bill pet household.
 
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Why would anyone want their water company to tell them what kind of faucet they can use?
This does not make sense. The ISP's already dictate which modems can be used for their service. The modem would be the same as the faucet in your comparison.
 
Just as people are getting comfortable with Alexa in their homes, it seems from this thread that more than I would've thought are also willing to let net neutrality go quite easily.
At least Alexa will be hampered with her snooping if your network gets throttled ...
 
This does not make sense. The ISP's already dictate which modems can be used for their service. The modem would be the same as the faucet in your comparison.
Need a better comparison? Okay. It's like the water company saying you can only bathe your left foot. If you try to use the water coming out of the faucet to wash any other part of you, the water spontaneously evaporates before contact.
 
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Yes, but I'm not seeing how the existence of net neutrality legislation would stop corporations from slowly charging you more for the same things anyway? I mean, the fact remains, we never had net neutrality legislation through the whole history of the Internet until just recently -- and prices kept going up on my broadband connection both with and without it.

The lack of competition is a big problem, but net neutrality laws won't help force more people to go into business servicing a given area.

Change won't happen overnight, but big corporations will slowly charge us more for the same things... Especially for those who have no choice but one ISP in their area.

So I really don't wanna see the "NN ended where's the doomsday? Liberals are playing with FUD" comment.
 
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What makes you think there's another ISP to leap to?

There may not be in many markets and there isn’t in many markets.

But I stand by my point there is a decent amount of cell phone carrier “competition” yet when one pulls unlimited so do the others. When One raises grandfathered pricing so do the others

So competition may not save the day if things do in fact get ugly. But in other instances, competition is good and weeds out the bad ones

Things can be spun any which way given how confusing the issue is

the only thing I will claim wit certainty is the issue is confusing. For people to simplify it as RIP internet & it’s black and white, is just incorrect imo. I am generally anti regulation but social media has abused their power.

You can keep thinking that that’s your right, but In my view that means you haven’t thought about it longer than having a partisan knee jerk reaction
 
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Time for city/town governments to roll out their own cheap WiFi services that follow net neutrality rules. If the corporate world wants to claim that they're going to offer something better/cheaper without net neutrality...PROVE IT vs. something that really is cheaper.
 
You can’t try out losing freedoms. Once you forfeit a right you generally have to fight to get it back.

This is true whatever the right: right to open and free internet; right to have unpolluted air, water and food; right to a stable banking system; right to serve in the military regardless of gender identity, etc.
A right to free internet? When was that ever plausibly proposed? Most of these other so-called rights you list are not so much rights as wants. The Constitution names specific rights and I don't recall any of those in there.
 
If one ISP starts toying with customers, they’ll leap to the other that dont do this

And the counter argument to that is, when one does one thing, the others follow suit. Look at cell phone carriers.

You ignore one HUGE difference in your analogy: Disgruntled customers can change phone service carriers easily. Not true with ISPs. Usually, there's only one provider in any given locale, and its territory is often protected from competing ISPs by exclusivity arrangements with local governments.
 
We already have dictatorial Liberalism in the USA. How’s that working out?
We do? When did we get full universal health care, prison reform, campaign finance reform, increased funding for social safety nets, pay equity, non-political and science based drawing of congressional districts, tax reform that benefits the majority of Americans rather than the richest among us, full support of environmental policies that tackle climate change, comprehensive and compassionate immigration reform based on facts rather than rhetoric, etc.? Must have missed that development...
 
This does not make sense. The ISP's already dictate which modems can be used for their service. The modem would be the same as the faucet in your comparison.

Wrong again. ISPs dictated that you use only their costly modems. They were later forced to allow consumers to use their own modems, and the ISPs had to provide a list of compatible modems from which you and I could choose. Recently, this became a law in the previous admin.
 
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You ignore one HUGE difference in your analogy: Disgruntled customers can change phone service carriers easily. Not true with ISPs. Usually, there's only one provider in any given locale, and its territory is often protected from competing ISPs by exclusivity arrangements with local governments.

I literally just clarified this several posts above yours. Please read it.
 
We can only thank Republicans and Trumpsters for the end of Net Neutrality. It will take time to see the results but just wait when the bill arrives. I’m sure many will regret it.
If you're so certain, you should buy up all the stock you can in internet provides NOW. You'll make a bundle... if you're right.
 
Proponents of Net Neutrality have made a plausible argument with examples that show how this is not true. Can the opponents do the same? The "trust us" argument doesn't hold much water with the current political climate.

Who trusts the government to do the right thing?
 
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