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You are one of the few posters that actually gets this is a business.

The last thread on Apple's *free* iCloud storage, where members moaned about not getting enough, made me chuckle.

So many people want it all for nothing. I guess for many, money grows on trees....
The calling card of the ’desperate’ now is to ask for regulators to take action to force companies to behave they want them to behave.
 
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No it is not. There are two reasons why a business exist, reason 1 is wanting to help people which has the result of making the business money but making money was not the primary factor and reason 2, purely to make money, nothing more, nothing less.
Notice that in both scenarios, there is a need to make money.
 
That's total croc.

Do you really think Apple gives a flying hoot about you? They make good products to make heaps of money. The more they massage their customers' ego, the more $$$ we are willing to part with, in their direction. People are greedy. They want lots of dollar bills and if it means making good products, then great.

But let's not fool ourselves. The end goal is $$$.

Even good charities see the same. Their end goal is $$$, but the difference is the money gets distributed differently.

No business exists simply to make people happy with $$$ as a secondary target. Those that do exist this way are destined to fail.

ETA, one more thing to add. Those that appear to want to make people happy and have money as a secondary objective are just very clever, and they keep their earnings discreet. A great example of this was FTX. Sam Bankman was seen as a "hippie" geeky guy who just wanted to help to make the world a better place. He would boast of his Prius and was very discreet about his money.

The reality was he was hoarding millions. How much, we will never know, but his goal was $$$. We were just all duped by his "Robin Hood" story. Many fell for it, and even more were stung when it eventually collapsed.
I was about to say, don’t be fooled by any company that says what they are doing is for the good of society. That’s just a marketing front for (hopefully) making as much money as possible.
 
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Look up the term "en****ification" it’s become so pervasive not just in tech but everywhere. I'm sick and tired of companies doing this crap. I'm sick and tired of watching products and services I consume become worse and I'm forced to hunt down replacements. It's such a waste of time, energy and resources having to seek out and evaluate replacements for everything to watered-down soap to ****** streaming services. Also all the waste that's created by throwing out crappy physical products.
That’s called the competitive market in action. If you want a competitive market, as a consumer you have to engage in it and constantly evaluate and revaluate what you want to purchase and consume. For instance, every time my car insurance is up for renewal I shop around to make sure I’m getting the best deal, and I shop around whenever I get to the end of my minimum term of my home broadband, or my mobile, etc. This is how we, as consumers, foster and encourage competition in the market.

Apple have recently increased the price of iCloud and I have used the opportunity to shop around and investigate whether there are any better offerings. As it turns out, there aren’t any. When I want to buy a new phone I have a cursory glance over in Android land to see if there is anything that competes with the iPhone, find there isn’t, and buy a new iPhone.

The point is the need to check, recheck, and move to a different product, or stop using a product, if you find there are better alternatives elsewhere. But you need to actively take-part, you can’t just passively sit on the sidelines.
 
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Yes we need a centrally planned and controlled economy.

What I do agree that we need is for much higher taxes to be paid by successful companies. However, in many country’s the duly elected governments will NOT do this because there are vested interests in said companies. Additionally, as long as there are tax havens and companies are permitted to funnel profits through those tax havens, this will not be resolved. However, trying to get a country that benefits massively economically from being a tax haven to STOP being a tax haven is a difficult ask. You effectively need to create a global tax law (which plays straight into the hands of the conspiracy theorists regarding ‘one world government’).

Maybe global companies need global wide regulations?
Why should successful companies be taxed more heavily? You feel success should be punished? Why do you feel government will spend that money more wisely than the business? It’s such an interesting knee-jerk reaction when someone tries to stick it to business, saying they should have more of their money taken away.
 
I was about to say, don’t be fooled by any company that says what they are doing is for the good of society. That’s just a marketing front for (hopefully) making as much money as possible.
Well I hope you called Steve Jobs a liar and Tim Cook a liar then for the things they have said about Apple products being good for society. Did you call Steve Jobs a liar when he introduced the iphone? Did you call Tim Cook a liar when he introduced the Apple Watch? because both in their keynote speech's talked about how good the device would be for the consumer.

I therefore want you to make a post in the Apple VR section calling out Tim Cook to be a down right liar because according to what your saying, devices like the VR pro was solely designed for the purpose of making Apple huge amounts of money and nothing more but that is not what Tim said in his keynote speech about the VR headset did he? So come on then, call out Tim Cook for being a down outright liar.
 
Well I hope you called Steve Jobs a liar and Tim Cook a liar then for the things they have said about Apple products being good for society. Did you call Steve Jobs a liar when he introduced the iphone? Did you call Tim Cook a liar when he introduced the Apple Watch? because both in their keynote speech's talked about how good the device would be for the consumer.

I therefore want you to make a post in the Apple VR section calling out Tim Cook to be a down right liar because according to what your saying, devices like the VR pro was solely designed for the purpose of making Apple huge amounts of money and nothing more but that is not what Tim said in his keynote speech about the VR headset did he? So come on then, call out Tim Cook for being a down outright liar.

That's called marketing.

Apple is insanely good at it.
 
Right, because no large corporation has ever fudged numbers before. 🤣😂🤣
These types of statements crack me up. What’s the upside for false SEC filings? Some corporations may do this but assuming it’s the norm is crazy. Netflix reports when they lose numbers and reports when they gain in the same reports. They don’t file reports trying to impress random people in the internet their strategy is working.
 
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The thing is that I pay 19 dollars for virtually unlimited library of content, thousand of movies and TV series.
If I go to cinema, 19 dollars will be barely enough for 1 movie.
Similarly, I pay 7 dollars for iTunes. Usually, 7 dollars is a price of one CD, but iTunes subscription gives access to million songs.
Therefore, I find Netflix and iTunes beneficial for me.
I also would like to have better quality content and as a multimedia content artist and producer, I know that quality costs money. If you don't pay, you will not get quality content.
Thus, I pay Netflix and enjoy the service.
This also supports labor and efforts of thousands of cinema and TV artists and I would like to have more quality products from them, so I am paying. YMMV.
 
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These types of statements crack me up. What’s the upside for false SEC filings? Some corporations may do this but assuming it’s the norm is crazy. Netflix reports when they lose numbers and reports when they gain in the same reports. They don’t file reports trying to impress random people in the internet their strategy is working.
If you don't know what the upside is, you clearly don't know much about the market. Also, I never said it was the norm.
 
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The thing is that I pay 19 dollars for virtually unlimited library of content, thousand of movies and TV series.
If I go to cinema, 19 dollars will be barely enough for 1 movie.
Similarly, I pay 9 dollars for iTunes. Usually, 9 dollars is a price of one CD, but iTunes subscription gives access to million songs.
Therefore, I find Netflix and iTunes beneficial for me.
I also would like to have better quality content and as a multimedia content artist and producer, I know that quality costs money. If you don't pay, you will not get quality content.
Thus, I pay Netflix and enjoy the service. YMMV.
It still astounds me that users don't see the obvious. I remember spending £4 (now worth about £9.95 in today's money), back in the 90's renting a movie from Blockbuster video....

I would regularly hit HMV and pay £10 of my hard-earned pocket money on a single CD and thought it was great.

Today's generation of media consumers have no idea of have completely forgotten how good they have it.
 
So it provides enough value to subscribe right now and share, but the second they say non paying people can’t use it, it loses its value? Make it make sense
It's worth it to split the cost between two people. It's not worth it to pay full price for one person to use Netflix, in my opinion. Netflix 4K is worth $9.99 a month to me, no more. It's simple really.
 
So it provides enough value to subscribe right now and share, but the second they say non paying people can’t use it, it loses its value? Make it make sense
Are you actually confused? The convenience of the status quo is acceptable, but adding more cost, up to double potentially, would be a deal-breaker. I don’t find this confusing.

And by the way, as has been stated multiple times, the plan is payed for, it’s not being ”stolen”. A plan allowing for multiple streams and profiles is being payed for. Netflix has decided to enforce a household qualifier. OK. But that’s a policy conversation, not a “no one is paying” conversation. I’m sure some people went bonkers and let everyone and their mother use the same account, but that’s very different from what I imagine is the more common thing which is someone paying for an account and sharing it with their mom.
 
Well I hope you called Steve Jobs a liar and Tim Cook a liar then for the things they have said about Apple products being good for society. Did you call Steve Jobs a liar when he introduced the iphone? Did you call Tim Cook a liar when he introduced the Apple Watch? because both in their keynote speech's talked about how good the device would be for the consumer.

I therefore want you to make a post in the Apple VR section calling out Tim Cook to be a down right liar because according to what your saying, devices like the VR pro was solely designed for the purpose of making Apple huge amounts of money and nothing more but that is not what Tim said in his keynote speech about the VR headset did he? So come on then, call out Tim Cook for being a down outright liar.
I don’t believe a word Apple says about making the world a better place; they are purely in it for making as much money as possible. And that’s absolutely fine, I can pick and choose to do business with them accordingly Based on the strength of their products.
 
Why should successful companies be taxed more heavily? You feel success should be punished? Why do you feel government will spend that money more wisely than the business? It’s such an interesting knee-jerk reaction when someone tries to stick it to business, saying they should have more of their money taken away.
I believe the systems and processes in place that afford these companies the opportunity to be that successful should be sharing more of their success with the wider public. Sharing the success more broadly with just the employees would be a good start, but I think the benefits should be seen by the wider population.
 
Remember when so many people cried that that they were going to cancel their subscription because of this move?

Called it! Netflix deserves every cent all!

You seem to forget this...

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1. It’s really weird how much you’re rooting for Netflix but I hope you get picked or whatever.
2. Why did you share a random other users post screenshot like you’re quoting the person you’re responding to? They didn’t write that.
i pay 19 dollars for highest quality netflix plan, unlimited devices. I am quite content with the choices, in fact there is so much of content we can't view it all. Cancelled prime and apple tv plus.
Were you really paying for prime just for the tv shows?
You are one of the few posters that actually gets this is a business.

The last thread on Apple's *free* iCloud storage, where members moaned about not getting enough, made me chuckle.

So many people want it all for nothing. I guess for many, money grows on trees....
Apple includes the cost of iCloud storage in the breakdown of how much the iPhone costs and what they consider to be “profit” from each sale. So no, it isn’t “free.” We are literally paying them for it.
 
I don’t believe a word Apple says about making the world a better place; they are purely in it for making as much money as possible. And that’s absolutely fine, I can pick and choose to do business with them accordingly Based on the strength of their products.
And that is the hypocrisy of you and others who think on the same lines. You will argue that people make businesses for the sole purpose of making money, nothing else and then when business owners/leaders talk about why they have built a new product and how it will help people in their daily lives or words to that effect, you and others make excuses such as 'it's fine to make money' but yet won't call them out as liars because in your mind it's all about making money.

So when Tim Cook announced the Vison Pro, did you call him out as a liar? because based on your reasoning, the only reason Apple made the Vison Pro is to make money, nothing else but yet in his speech he did not mention anything about the company making the Vison Pro to make them more money. Therefore everything he said about the Vison Pro is a lie, correct?
 
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Our account hasn’t been cracked down on yet. I’m undecided if I’ll get my own account. We currently get it through T-Mobile and that makes it feel a little like splitting a baby since we all pay an equal share. Maybe T-Mobile will start cracking down on family plans, too 🤔
FYI, we had it with a family member through T-Mobile also. It worked for a while, but then it stopped. Tried to add the additional account for $7.99 and there isn't a way to do it. Netflix said this only is available if payment for the primary subscription is made directly to them and not through a third party like one of the cell services.
 
I've met some people who were determined to get one over on Netflix by sharing passwords almost the point of obsession.

I think it harkens back to the old school days of finding hacked satellite TV access cards or stealing your neighbors cable, the rush for some is as good or better than the content.
You can still do that! As long as these people bring their devices to where the "main account holder" is and login to Netflix on that IP. Not sure how often they need to do this, but I just reminded my wife, who travels a lot, that she needs to login :)
 
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And that is the hypocrisy of you and others who think on the same lines. You will argue that people make businesses for the sole purpose of making money, nothing else and then when business owners/leaders talk about why they have built a new product and how it will help people in their daily lives or words to that effect, you and others make excuses such as 'it's fine to make money' but yet won't call them out as liars because in your mind it's all about making money.

So when Tim Cook announced the Vison Pro, did you call him out as a liar? because based on your reasoning, the only reason Apple made the Vison Pro is to make money, nothing else but yet in his speech he did not mention anything about the company making the Vison Pro to make them more money. Therefore everything he said about the Vison Pro is a lie, correct?
I believe Apple are making the Visio Pro primarily to make more money; it’s a new market that Apple are hoping contains a lot of money and growth. If there’s a side benefit that improves someone’s life or make something easier for someone, that is a side-benefit, not the primary purpose.

For example, if by adding new accessibility features Apple attracts more consumers to buy their devices and thus make more money, you can bet they will. Apple wins by making more money, the consumers who need those additional accessibility options win by having them.

If making iMessage cross-platform would attract more consumers to buy their devices and thus make Apple more money, you can bet that they will. If by making iMessage cross-platform it would discourage people from switching to an Apple device and thus not them more money, you can bet that they will not do it.

Beyond that I have no idea what you are trying to say.
 
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Gotta hand it to them...
They played a dangerous game, and they pulled it off (for now, that is).
 
But MacRumor posters said they would go out of business!
Absolutely! Anonymous tech forums are full of outrage and empty of logic. Don’t like a policy? Scream bloody murder, predict the downfall of the offending company, demand government intervention or regulation, and lambast capitalism.
 
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