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Netflix like YouTube will fail soon. Netflix seriously think that somebody paying £15.99pm (have to, to watch in 4k) will accept not being able to let family members use it. What’s the difference in me having 4x tvs in the same house watching Netflix or myself and 3 other family members?? Bandwidth for Netflix will be the same. The only difference is they only get £15.99 a month instead of £63.96pm and that’s the only thing that matters to them. I cancelled my Netflix last week and won’t be going back. I also cancelled my YouTube premium and totally moved away from Google services. Hit them where it hurts. Their bottom line.
 
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I have no respect for Netflix honestly. They don't care about content other than what's in English. They don't even put the audio track translations when they exist. Even some movies originally made in French and in Quebec have mandatory english subtitles. I wasn't able to remove them even if they were toggled off, they weren't overlays, they were actually part of the video. They deserve the stocks crash they got since the last 12 months.
 
correct, yes it can. but netflix permits the use of your account (plan permitting) to be used by more then 1 person at more than 1 location.

so how can they tell if it is being used as per the permitted use or not - they can't.

if i go on holiday but other family member (in the same house) doesn't then we can both use netflix as per the permitted plan use - that's 2 devices in 2 different countries at the same time.

Well, then you’re free to cancel your account. Netflix won’t lose sleep over it.
 
Well, then you’re free to cancel your account. Netflix won’t lose sleep over it.

think you're confusing me with someone else.
at no point have i said i'd be cancelling anything.

i'm simply trying to have intelligent conversation (with some) about how they can accurately detect when "password sharing" is occurring, as they have plans which allow concurrent streams at more than 1 location.
 
Netflix like YouTube will fail soon. Netflix seriously think that somebody paying £15.99pm (have to, to watch in 4k) will accept not being able to let family members use it. What’s the difference in me having 4x tvs in the same house watching Netflix or myself and 3 other family members?? Bandwidth for Netflix will be the same. The only difference is they only get £15.99 a month instead of £63.96pm and that’s the only thing that matters to them. I cancelled my Netflix last week and won’t be going back. I also cancelled my YouTube premium and totally moved away from Google services. Hit them where it hurts. Their bottom line.

think you've done the same as others in confusing "family sharing" with "password sharing".
netflix allow family sharing on certain plans, this is not what they are trying to clamp down on (or the wording they are using certainly suggest this is the case).
 
Like YouTube, Netflix is in its late Fall.

No quality content, just money grab, Ads, and ridiculous pricing for content bloated with Channel sponsors and product placements.
YouTube is doing just fine. Full of increasingly annoying ads, but they still have the platform, the content and no competition.
 
What about this statement? :)
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If this was for done out of concern/good intentions, why was it not available early on? Should have been made available since 2010's
Success hides problems. I mean, they were such a smash hit, they didn't even have to try hard … Same with account sharing: As long as they grew quickly, why would they care about squeezing every last penny?

But I don't see this as necessarily leading to a "crackdown". It's just removing an obvious (and stupid) obstacle for people willing to give them more money. It's certainly not done only out of concern, but it's an obvious win-win.

And I'm not getting mad about it, just because some people interpret it as the beginning of something else.
 
That is still not going to convince me to renew my Netflix membership account.

The subscription will stay terminated for a very long time. Lost my trust after they got money hungry 💰.
🤣 Netflix lost your trust because you feel they got "money hungry" yet you are still loyal to Apple despite their $19 polishing cloth, $699 wheels, or $999 monitor stand
 
YouTube is doing just fine. Full of increasingly annoying ads, but they still have the platform, the content and no competition.
Nope. It does not. It just happens that it doesn’t have a true competitor.
I use YouTube since 2008. I‘m fine with Ads in exchange for content. But for the last 5 years, it got out of hand. A simple hiking video like Kraig Adams is 40+min, and I get 2x 40sec unscippable Ads every 4:20min. I had premium for a few years but it was too expensive for some home videos and channel sponsors.
If competition comes around, it is away faster than you can say „MySpace“
 
I get that this might be a sign of bad things to come for account sharers. Regardless, this is a positive feature. When I moved out of my old flat share and moved in with my now wife I went from a user on his account to a user on hers. I lost all my play history and recommendations. I regularly get recommended stuff it thinks I would like that I watched before. I would have loved to be able to do this then.
 
Netflix became greedy. Losing more and more content, meaning I had to subscribe to other services, and then putting up prices again and again! So, no, Netflix, your time is up.
Content got pulled off Netflix by the owners because they wanted to put it on their own streaming services, not because Netflix didn't want it anymore.

And price increases isn't exclusive to Netflix. Disney+, Hulu, ESPN+, Amazon, DirecTV, Comcast/Xfinity, etc. have all raised prices or announced them this year. HBO Max will be raising prices soon too.
 
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YouTube is doing just fine. Full of increasingly annoying ads, but they still have the platform, the content and no competition.

I think the challenge with YouTube comes from declining ad spend due to tougher economic conditions. Which would explain why they seem to be cramming more and more ads into each video, as well as trying to push users to subscribe to their premium offering.
 
correct, yes it can. but netflix permits the use of your account (plan permitting) to be used by more then 1 person at more than 1 location.

so how can they tell if it is being used as per the permitted use or not - they can't.

if i go on holiday but other family member (in the same house) doesn't then we can both use netflix as per the permitted plan use - that's 2 devices in 2 different countries at the same time.
Pre-covid I was overseas all the time. I would take my Amazon firestick with me to hotels and always enjoyed Netflix while stuck alone in hotel rooms. Meanwhile, my wife and kids were home watching. Our family's usage pattern still looks like this quite often (not as often)

Other times, I'll be home but VPN into Netflix India or some other country. For example, I watched Season 9 of Blacklist on Netflix Australia before that season was available in the US.

I've always been wondering when/if Netflix will try to put the kibosh on that. I suppose they could:
  1. Require location services on devices and not just rely on IP based location
  2. Limit accounts to your country/region. My youtube account is a 3-year account I got while in India for like $3USD and it still works worldwide which is great.
  3. Look at percentages of use while co-located. If the accounts aren't used in a common location every 3-6 months, then kill them. Presumably "households" with a traveling member will be "together" at least once every 6 months or so as a reasonable assumption (except military families perhaps)

Anyway, I've considered myself lucky thus far as I fully expected some kind of crackdown from Netflix for quite some time. That said, if they do crack down, I'll downgrade my netflix from the 4 screen to the 2-screen account I get free with T-Mobile.
 
If all content I could imagine would be on Netflix, it might be worth the money, but today you need Netflix, Amazon Prime, HBO Max, Hulu, Disney+, Apple TV+ and others and several additional subscriptions for streaming live sports. If you buy all subscriptions, you might have to pay a few thousand dollars per year just for subscriptions. That is enough money for a family vacation or the latest iPhone and iPad every year. And if you then break it down per hour watched, it will be several dollars. For most people going to a real movie theatre once or twice a week and buying some movies on Bluray is a better deal.

Streaming is a time and money eater. It kills your productivity. You will hardly find any successful people with a Netflix account.
 
i don't believe that "family sharing" is what is being talked about here, as family sharing is permitted in the Ts&Cs.
what they are talking about is multiple people sharing the one account that aren't part of the same family group.

however, it's still non-sensical to cancel your own account just because someone else would no longer be able to use it. you can simply downgrade it to the single stream plan thus not having to rely on others subsidising the plan cost.
The single stream (Basic) plan is much lower quality though (currently 480p, but will be 720p next month). If you want at least full HD (1080p) then you have to get the Standard plan which includes up to 2 simultaneous streams, and if you want 4K, then you have to get the Premium plan which includes up to 4 simultaneous streams.

If I'm paying for something which includes up to 2 or 4 simultaneous streams, then I should be able to utilize those streams however I see fit. It's like paying for an Uber Black ride. Uber driver pulls up in a big Cadillac Escalade that can seat up to 5 people in the back. If I'm already paying for that ride, then I should be able to decide if anyone else can use those seats or not. I don't get charged per seat used.
 
still curious as to how they can accurately detect that "password sharing" is taking place.
you are allowed to use your own netflix account no matter where you are, and depending on the account you are allowed multiple streams at multiple locations - this is permitted in the Ts&Cs.

so how exactly are they going to tell if what you are permitted to do is not what is actually happening.
Is this a serious question? They know at a base level: device ID's, device types, network types, and IP addresses. Seeing one person in one place streaming something, along with another person in a second place is not abnormal, maybe even one or two more if they are on mobile devices. But having 3-4 different streams going at once, repeatedly every night, to multiple TVs (Not mobile)? Probably a sure sign.

This is not even taking into account content preferences which can likely identify individual users over time.
 
Netflix like YouTube will fail soon.
Maybe it's different where you're at, but in the U.S. people would rather go hungry than cancel Netflix


and it along with YouTube are still the number 1 streaming services wanted by teens



I don't see them failing any time soon.
 
Is this a serious question? They know at a base level: device ID's, device types, network types, and IP addresses. Seeing one person in one place streaming something, along with another person in a second place is not abnormal, maybe even one or two more if they are on mobile devices. But having 3-4 different streams going at once, repeatedly every night, to multiple TVs (Not mobile)? Probably a sure sign.

This is not even taking into account content preferences which can likely identify individual users over time.

yes it is a serious question.
was your response serious?

1 family plan, 2 users at home, 1 child at uni/college, another child at another uni/college

all permitted as per the Ts&Cs, yet your explanation would suggest it's not permitted.
add in to the mix people using mobile at one point in the day and wifi/cabled at another,

lots of variable that can give false positives.
 
yes it is a serious question.
was your response serious?

1 family plan, 2 users at home, 1 child at uni/college, another child at another uni/college

all permitted as per the Ts&Cs, yet your explanation would suggest it's not permitted.
add in to the mix people using mobile at one point in the day and wifi/cabled at another,

lots of variable that can give false positives.

And since Netflix has not implemented their crackdown yet, so we don't know if the two kids will be affected or not. I suspect that Netflix will start with a small net. They are more likely to go after the accounts that have streams coming from multiple different and unique IP addresses. You know the family that shared their account whose son gave the password to his dorm roomates, who then shared with their girlfriends, etc.
 
there's also the fact that they might not actually do anything at all, and just the talk of doing it might trigger some people into stopping sharing.

play the mind games card.
 
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