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The ISPs should not be allowed to sell 100x100mbps connections if they can only provide 5Gbps capacity. I pay for 100mbps, It´s not my problem you tried to grab more clients than you can serve.

Then I guess you should not be able to buy 100mbps if you only use 50mbps 99% of the time? Or the don't allow people to use the road if it causes traffic jams?

Additionally it is important to point out that often the bottleneck is people's work's networking that cannot handle the tenfold increase of people ISP's seem to be able to handle Netflixing etc during (week nights) holidays already.
 
4K (or even 1080P) quality is unnecessary anyway. Not too long ago, the best quality movie you could rent or buy was on DVD and those are 720P. Nobody complained back then...

Right, and nobody complained when VHS was state of the art either. Maybe we should go back to 480p.
 
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Different people have different needs, and that should be respected. Casting dispersions or denigrating someone else's preparation efforts or needs reeks of a kind of jealously that someone failed to adequately prepare or appreciate a developing situation.

True, some people have increased needs, or want to keep a reasonable safety stock in case they are quarantined for a couple of weeks. But some people are just hoarders, and making it harder for everybody. Just throwing around these judgmental statements as both you and the other guy are doing may be fun, but it's not telling us anything, since neither of you are talking specific situations and numbers. Are you in a personal situation that require stocking a lot of TP?
 
🤬 you clearly do not understand much!!! Selfishness is a sick decease
No everybody’s situation is different.

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I worked my life and now I’m retired and a shut-in and I look forward to my 4K Netflix and that’s all I have. Why should your “work” requirement be put above my enjoyment since that’s all I have? Now that’s selfishas you can get by with some reduced performance.</strawman>

We understand this is done for the “greater good”, whatever that really means.
 
Reading a book still doesn't change the fact I don't pay for Netflix or Youtube to halfass the service I pay for.

Then don’t pay.

There’s value in resource conservation during a time with negative global implications. An either/or approach isn’t always the best solution but this time it is.
 
Rewatching the original Star Wars with the new bandwidth limits, it's not really that noticeable ...

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Some people seem to forget that Netflix is a multi-billion company. They do nothing out of the goodness of their heart. By reducing the bitrate as requested by EU officials, they gain positive PR and make more money — it is a win-win situation for Netflix. They have unsurprisingly failed to notify their paying customers about this change to their service.

I have no issues with the basic idea — drop the quality down to zero for all I care — if information is shared openly and refunds given as deserved. Stop acting like you’re doing it for the greater good while filling your pockets with dirty money.
 
Based on what’s going on right now, Netlfix is the last thing I’m concerned about. Stay safe everyone. We’ll get through this.
 
It's amazing how people are still thinking about themselves even in this situation. I guess a crisis will show the true colors of people. Because who cares about the network infrastructure, I want my netflix to be in 4K!

No, you must understand that a lot of people are unhappy about this because they're paying for a service. If Netflix would suddenly say "look folks, we all have to dial back a bit on data consumption, so we're defaulting everyone to the lower resolution plan for a month or two", I am sure a lot of folks would be pretty understanding of the situation. However, according to the article that is not what's happening. It's a bit like paying for 1 full litre of milk (4K video) and only getting 250ml (SD video) in the bottle. You wouldn't like that would you? Also, Netflix, as far as I know, has sent out no messaging to users about reducing quality during this period, which they are required to do contractually.

The article itself is also somewhat confusing, at one point saying users would need to watch content in standard definition (SD) while Netflix allegedly says they're only reducing quality by 25%, which I agree would not be hugely noticeable, however, they are still required to notify their users of these changes.

Just because there is a crisis, it does not mean that laws and regulations go out the window. The rules around the sale of goods, and services, consumer rights, etc are all still 100% valid and applicable. This is not suddenly the wild west.

I would also agree with some of the comments here around the robustness of ISPs and networks. I am certified in small and large scale networks, and any ISP or network that is not set up to intelligently deal with traffic, have adequate redundancies built in and ample band-width set up, should not exist in the first place. I would also highlight that many claims around extra network usage are false. You see, a lot of people suddenly stop using the office network, and use their home network, but it's often the same ISP anyway. In fact, offices tend to have higher bandwidths allocated compared to regular household connections, which means things even out a lot more than one would expect. Is there a usage increase? Of course. But it's likely around 10-25% which should be well within the capabilities of any ISP. What worries me a little bit more is VPN usage and how well companies and their VPNs are prepared to deal with all the remote workers. Technically, at the office you route through the same VPN (without manually connecting to the VPN), but this could in theory be a more brittle situation.
 
True, some people have increased needs, or want to keep a reasonable safety stock in case they are quarantined for a couple of weeks. But some people are just hoarders, and making it harder for everybody. Just throwing around these judgmental statements as both you and the other guy are doing may be fun, but it's not telling us anything, since neither of you are talking specific situations and numbers. Are you in a personal situation that require stocking a lot of TP?

For my last trip to the market, I bought the equivalent of 2 trips worth of food. Why? Because I don’t want to have to go back for a while. I abided by the purchase limit of one pack for TP at the store, but I took the opportunity to get one while it was there. I’ve been working remotely for the last 10 days. Normally when I go into work, I’m using the TP there during the 12 hour workday. That’s not happening now, so my home usage has increased.
 
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Then don’t pay.

There’s value in resource conservation during a time with negative global implications. An either/or approach isn’t always the best solution but this time it is.
Nah. I'll just live in America where they don't slow down or half ass our streams. 🤣
 
Again, we're not talking about an emergency situation. The amount of leisure time people have isn't changing. People still work 40 hours a week, unless you're saying that number will decline, I don't see how people will be watching significantly more video.

In fact, as competition in streaming increases, the same TV hours will be spread over more services, leading to a net decrease in viewer hours.

Even if people are watching more, it only affects the variable cost portion of their expenses. Costs of bandwidth and storage always declines, and compression improves. As I've been pointing out, the bitrates between 4K and 1080 are comparable. As you say, their fixed cost doesn't change, only their variable.

And finally, the simple fact that they're charging more for 4K today blows a hole in your argument.
People are told to stay at home, thus have more time to watch, thus using more bandwidth. Sometimes we have to explain in detail as some people don’t want to understand.
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Nah. I'll just live in America where they don't slow down or half ass our streams. 🤣
We could use vpn and change to USA servers, thus our streaming won’t be impacted.
 
I just locked into Netflix to see what they are doing exactly. But there are no information on Netflix Germany. And of course there was no notification by email. Such an information policy is extremely annoying and just disappointing.
However, I think that my HD subscription is not affected. But time will tell.
More than two weeks later and no restrictions are noticeable. I continue to use Netflix, Amazon Prime and YouTube and there are no limitations noticeable with "normal HD". Another example of a hyped headline while the real impact is barely noticeable.
 
More than two weeks later and no restrictions are noticeable. I continue to use Netflix, Amazon Prime and YouTube and there are no limitations noticeable with "normal HD". Another example of a hyped headline while the real impact is barely noticeable.
I don't know what kind of TV you have, but here it is very noticeable. Netflix has reduced the bitrate of UHD streams from 15Mbit/s to 7,6Mbit/s. Colors appear washed out, and the picture is not as sharp as before. The thing is, that reducing the bitrate was not necessary. There are more than enough capacities in Europe to deal with this. At least Netflix should restore normal bandwidth on weekends!
The problem is that some idiot politician who has no idea whatsoever how technology works, made Netflix & Co do that...Idiots
 
Mine is still playing in 4K. Hasn’t changed at all.
The resolution hasn't changed, only the bitrate which affects quality, especially when there is a lot of movement in a scene..
If it were really necessary, then I wouldn't have a problem with it, but unfortunately it is another measure taken in panic, with no reason whatsoever...
 
I don't know what kind of TV you have, but here it is very noticeable. Netflix has reduced the bitrate of UHD streams from 15Mbit/s to 7,6Mbit/s.
As I mentioned: "normal HD". It could be that UHD or 4K might be reduced but I don't use these.
 
I didn't notice any change either, and that's on a 55" 4K TV. But I also looked into it a bit more. Apparently the way Netflix works is at the ISP level. They push new/updated content to special storage boxes overnight situated at the ISP level. It is then down to the ISP to decide if they require to adhere to that new proposed rule, or not. The stuff you stream actually comes from your ISP, not the Netflix servers. Linus explains this a lot better than I do:
 
Netflix is still limiting the UHD stream bitrate. What used to be a steady 15Mbit/s was reduced to 6.2Mbit/s and is now at 11.44Mbit/s. No issues with my Internet connection.
 
Netflix is still limiting the UHD stream bitrate. What used to be a steady 15Mbit/s was reduced to 6.2Mbit/s and is now at 11.44Mbit/s. No issues with my Internet connection.

Same here. This pandemic is a godsend for Netflix. They added 16 million new users in Q1 and with the bandwidth reduction they pay LESS to Amazon AWS for hosting services while subscriptions fees were NOT reduced. The 30-days bandwidth reduction has expired in the middle of April and there has been NO communication from Netflix's side when (if ever) they are going to restore the original bandwidth.

Where is the EU now? Why don't they protect consumer interests?
 
It's already going back to normal.

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